towne32

If 49 is the final part, it should be smaller.

BMadden said:

If Disney/LFL passes on the 4K Legacy version for release on the 40th anniversary of ANH then they’re just as clueless now as they were when Uncle George was in charge. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever they could give for not putting that on store shelves(and in theaters for that matter) next year.

My fingers are crossed for a near-immediate theatrical release of Legacy essentially as-is. And then they give Mike the negatives and all other resources to get to work on the home video versions and sequels. But, wrong thread for those specific dreams I guess.

Well you’ll probably have ESB 2.5 to burn sometime this year as well, so you’ll need to stock up eventually. 😃

captainsolo said:

This whole thing seems as avoidable and silly as the continual issues that have gone on with TN1 since the beginning. Why in the world is there need for such secrecy, yet simultaneous openness on here and even public sites? Then combined with the continual multitude of releases and tests everywhere it all gets very confusing–much as if all the various members never conversed with one another.

I also don’t get why it had to be an anonymous Team account so that one could never figure out if you were talking with the same entity or needed to re-explain yourself.

The explanation is (and to be clear this is speculation, but it’s also what many of the users here believe) that the user negative1 became very concerned about his security once this massive task was undertaken. As he created an account here many years before, he was probably not tight about security earlier on. It’s really not possible to erase the tracks we all leave on the internet. But who was he to know that he would later begin such a high profile project?

So at this point he needs to ‘leave’ the team. But because he is absolutely on, and leading, the team, he makes everything pseudo anonymous. In theory you don’t know who is posting. But you do, and it is him.

However, if we imagine that the veil was successful, or at least provides a cloud of plausible deniability, you can see that he used it as a chance to start anew. He could interface with the public now, as long as he was careful not to discuss his real life identity. And he quite clearly loved to interface with people. To have a website and blog and be on podcasts and stuff, and to post snippets around here.

If he was careful with his accounts from day one, I don’t think there would have been the same atmosphere. And if he just accepted the fact that he’s not actually 100% anonymous (none of us probably are, and Harmy sure as shit isn’t), again, the pseudoanonymous attempt and everything that came with it could have been avoided.

[/speculation-but-probably-true]

Jetrell Fo said:

Lasz said:

RedBro said:

Excuse me if I’m missing something, but since no one who “owns” a print of Star Wars actually legally “owns” it (since they all belong to Fox/Disney), why exactly is the person who loaned the Technicolor scan upset? I can understand if he or she is worroed because a scan of that print could be traced back and thus face legal repercussions from Fox/Disney. But if it’s something other than that…well, frankly: what right does that person have to keep such a thing to him or herself when none of what we’re talking about here is strictly “legal”?

As far as I understand (from what I’ve read on the forum), someone paid (I assume quite a fair amount of money, since scanning prints isn’t cheap) to have that print scanned. And then someone else gave those scans away, without that person’s (the guy who had it scanned) permission.

That’s not proper conduct. legal or not.

So why isn’t the person who passed it on not the one being blamed and outted? Is it because that person is in a more important position than tn1 and outing them would cause more harm to Mike’s current progress than outing an unknown team of people? I’m still confused.

They’ve been outed as ‘person #2’, which is enough. There’s no precedent here for publicly shaming someone with their legal name in this discourse.

Even all the people who know -1’s name are not posting it in these threads due to this controversy. Because that’s a shitty thing to do, and surely against the rules here, or at least the expected behavior.

The last couple pages here seem to be full of ideas on how to degenerate into something we really shouldn’t want to become.

RedBro said:

I guess my concern is that while Verta is doing extraordinary and selfless work, our ability to see and enjoy what he’s doing (since he said he won’t release it to the public) depends entirely on Disney/Fox. And I am skeptical that would work. If -1 could get a decent Technicolor scan release out onto torrent, it is likely to either force their hand or – if not – we still have a beautiful looking Techbicolor release to enjoy. With all due respect, I am rooting for -1 members to get 2.0 up online.

I think it’s way too presumptive to suggest that a move like that would have a positive impact on the negotiation. What hand would it force? If we imagine for a second that it isn’t incredibly likely to have a negative impact, and is instead capable of either good or bad effect, it still absolutely should not be risked for a project this important. I get why you think it’s important as an alternative plan for Legacy, but now is not the time to focus on that.

The suggestion, in my opinion, is a careless and amatuerish move compared to what Mike is attempting to do as a serious and professional business negotiation.

Well that’s why I was wondering if it’s somehow scriptable. 😃

But if you’re going to go through the trouble of lining it up in Resolve or Adobe anyway, you can make the project file available and just have it load C:\0301.m2ts or whatever the main movie file is and C:\LUT\0001.cube, etc.

RedBro said:

Excuse me if I’m missing something, but since no one who “owns” a print of Star Wars actually legally “owns” it (since they all belong to Fox/Disney), why exactly is the person who loaned the Technicolor scan upset? I can understand if he or she is worroed because a scan of that print could be traced back and thus face legal repercussions from Fox/Disney. But if it’s something other than that…well, frankly: what right does that person have to keep such a thing to him or herself when none of what we’re talking about here is strictly “legal”?

You pointed out one very good reason. And as Space said, what is in question is the respect with which we treat other members in a very small community. Mike Verta has made it clear that the people who own prints that he used do not want their identities revealed, nor do they want scans of their prints released to the public illicitly. You are correct that they don’t have a ‘legal’ right to the print, but that is not what is up for debate. The person may have paid a small fortune for the print to keep in their private collection. They kept it safe from destruction for who knows how many years, and they took an enormous risk allowing it to be used for an important project. So we should respect them for those reasons, even if it isn’t about recognizing legal rights. The other factor in the allegation is that Mike Verta paid $10000+ for the scan itself to occur.

You can always argue that there is no honor among theives, so therefore we should all just do whatever. But that’s not how a community like this, which benefits greatly from collaboration, needs to survive.

RedBro said:

What I don’t understand: -1 released a preview video of the Technicolor print. Did they get a scan of the whole thing? And if so, why wouldn’t the remaining members simply release it under a different name?

That preview is the whole source of the dilemma. Yes, if they decided to keep working on it, they could release it under a different name. But for what purpose? Do you just mean because they’re a restructured group or because it would somehow effectively allow them to hide from us and Mike Verta? If they are now not going to work on it, they are making the decision on their own behalf with the best interest of the Legacy projects in mind.

Cool. So could this be distributed as a script, then?

chyron8472 said:

towne32 said:

chyron8472 said:

I gave Q2s Prequels and Harmy’s DE to my cousin, Josh, for his birthday on Saturday, and I used 2.5 Recolored for Star Wars.

Awesome!

V1.2 will be up in a couple days. It’s essentially just a BD ISO version with seamless branching selectable crawl.

But I have also replaced a couple of quick shots that were previously purely GOUT based, with TN1’s SSE (that I further cleaned, grain-adjusted, and color corrected myself). The shots in question are one shot in the Mos Eisley entrance sequence, two shots as Luke prepares to board his X-wing (Harmy used a GOUT upscale to remove the Biggs scene), a few diving shots during the battle of Yavin. I’ve also used the SSE for a couple explosions in that battle and the closeup of the torpedos entering the Death Star. The latter weren’t GOUT, but the color should look less altered with TN1’s version.

I am leaving alone anything that Harmy roto

Thanks again for the interest.

What I would really love to have is a BD menu.

I know there’s a DE2.5 BD on the spleen that has menus. Is there a way to mux it into this, or can we get someone to work on making menus for Recolored?

JEDIT: I just thought of something: Star Wars DERP Despecialized Edition Recolored Project). ;D

Well there will be a simple menu to select the SW or ANH crawl and audio track, but nothing fancy.

chyron8472 said:

I gave Q2s Prequels and Harmy’s DE to my cousin, Josh, for his birthday on Saturday, and I used 2.5 Recolored for Star Wars.

Awesome!

V1.2 will be up in a couple days. It’s essentially just a BD ISO version with seamless branching selectable crawl.

But I have also replaced a couple of quick shots that were previously purely GOUT based, with TN1’s SSE (that I further cleaned, grain-adjusted, and color corrected myself). The shots in question are one shot in the Mos Eisley entrance sequence, two shots as Luke prepares to board his X-wing (Harmy used a GOUT upscale to remove the Biggs scene), a few diving shots during the battle of Yavin. I’ve also used the SSE for a couple explosions in that battle and the closeup of the torpedos entering the Death Star. The latter weren’t GOUT, but the color should look less altered with TN1’s version.

I am leaving alone anything that Harmy roto

Thanks again for the interest.

I think they added some shine on a window, changed the color of some sparks, and patched up a few pixels of puppeteer’s hand. Nothing major.

Sometimes, on mobile, it’s easy to accidentally hit the post button without entering text, causing unnoticed Markdown Syndrome.

althor1138 said:

Laserschwert said:

I’d say, apply a global color correction to the new scan (or, if it works, use the shot-by-shot settings you’ve used for the Silverscreen version), make it GOUT-synced and release a Grindhouse version of it. People really love the Grindhouse releases of both Empire and Jedi, so to get something out the door quickly (and hold people over until you finish another fully cleaned up version), this might be worth it.

This. Harmy’s ROTJ Grindhouse is great even with the scratches. Plus, the quality is good enough that people could use that material as the basis for their own project and do their own cleanup if they wanted to.

Yes. Especially for the sake of Harmy’s 3.0.

Anyway, it’s great and a bit of a strange feeling to have transparency in the project like this. If SSE 2 ends up just using select replacement of smeary shots, maybe we can all chime in about what we’ve noticed that needs it.

Yes, I think it would make the most sense to just allow people to substitute their own 2011 discs. If for some reason someone wants to watch it, they will want to watch their high bitrate 1080p version and not a transcode. And assuming that people will have their own 2011 disc is fitting with the mantra/rule of the site.

bishabosha said:

Daxtreme said:

Me too, that would be awesome! I hope the deleted scenes don’t contradict any scenes in the movie though.

As what ive heard from news articles, the film was totally finished but the cut was way too long for the Cinema, so they just cut out the snowspeeder chase, some political exposition with Leia and Kylo on the Millenium Falcon for the final cut

There are other cuts, though. They decided it was silly for Maz to leave with the crew, so some of those resulting scenes are cut. If we only get those later scenes back, but not the ones with her leaving that planet (were they even rendered?), a ‘complete cut’ can’t really use that cleanly.

They seem to have inserted the dumb garbage chute joke late in the game, as Phasma had some scenes after that which had to be cut due to the inclusion of the joke, according to Christie (or was it JJ?)

You’ll probably want to use the 2004 for that shot as they digitally changed the color of the pod door in 2011.

edit: well, depends on the goal at least. Just pointing out that this is technically an altered shot in that sense.

brycebayer said:

I missed the post that said Mike paid for the scans.

And the part where Mike scanned TN1’s LPP before TN1 owned it. And the part where “a print owner” was the owner of a different print. And the part where negative1 refused to send it to Mike to rescan the crawl after Mike sent TN1 the 4K Greedo scene.

Not trying to stir up trouble, and some TN1 members appeared to be unaware of all this. Just emphasizing that there’s no similarity between what Mike did and what negative1 did, since the earlier post seemed to suggest they were on par.

Maybe, but the best example might not be when she’s standing under a red light. 😃

But I do think Dre’s version of the red light shot could be redder.

Well it certainly pops, but those reds in the hair and skin look very unnatural. Might be some on the back of the trooper’s neck, too. Probably due to your monitor as you said.

crissrudd4554 said:

towne32 said:

This (a crackdown due to legal concerns) is not what’s happening and it is an internal issue in question among preservationists. Yes, we should always keep legal issues in mind. But the sky is not falling right now.

I guess this is what I’m doing this afternoon.

Fair enough. Keep in mind with what was revealed at the time my initial post was a bit askewed. Nonetheless, while at times not 100% legal, I still give thumbs up to fan preservation and respect its purpose. Also keep in mind thats just me speaking generally and not necessarily in regards to the topic, at least not fully.

No, I wasn’t judging you for the conclusion you were coming to. But earlier in the thread there was a sort of runaway effect with a lot of doomsdaying, so I was just trying to course correct as best I could without spilling the beans.

Sounds like a great plan. If anyone can sell it, I’m sure you can.

Like every person on this forum, I would love to see Legacy. But, damn, I’d love to see the pitch presentation itself now.

mverta said:

Swazzy said:

But here’s a dismal thought that crossed my mind: if your work is approved for release, could you imagine Disney perhaps further modifying it, in a way that would ‘satisfy its creator’ per say?

I’ve thought through that particular situation many times. Ultimately, it hinges purely on their “getting it,” because there is no way to compel them to leave it alone. You can’t say, “Take it or leave it,” because in truth, they can damn well take it and do what they want to it. Not literally, of course - “my” Legacy is safe and sound no matter what. But in terms of a release, part of my job in pitching it to them is to make the case for why it should be untouched. It’s a pitch I’ve had 15 years to prepare, and I’m pretty good. 😃

_Mike

This might not be something you can answer but, are the people you would be persuading aware of all of the issues regarding the sources and the archives and the color timing or is part of your job here getting them up to speed on the matter?

Darth Lucas said:

That’s an excellent idea. Name it something catchy like "classictrilogy.com" or something like that.

Maybe original3starwarses.com?

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-External-Blu-ray-SE-506CB-RSBD/dp/B00JJGFRIQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1456006727&sr=8-1&keywords=usb+blu-ray+burner

This one has worked fine for me.