towne32

Memorex said:

towne32 said:

Memorex said:
Btw, did you manage to keep all the english audio mixes for the final encode?

One thing I haven’t brought up until now is that the first 3 tracks, that were DTS-HD, are going to be the Dolby Digital versions from Harmy’s AVCHD release. Again, an MKV version for anyone who finds this to be a dealbreaker.

Cool, an MKV with lossless audio would be the droids I’m looking for 😉

Not sure whether you’ve started your encoding yet or not, but just wanted to ask; The night shot of Luke and
C3PO outside the homestead, could it benefit from a 35mm transplant? Havn’t seen SSE yet so I actually have no clue how that scene fares. IIRC Harmy rotoscoped Lukes’ face from the BD into gout footage.

I’m not aware of any shot that he altered in that sequence aside from the long shot that got replaced in the SE. But then again, the Leia face rotoscope at the end of Jedi 1.0 was news to me very recently. Can’t unsee that one.

If it is something he worked on, I still probably won’t do anything with it due to the difficulties in matching the quality, grain, and color of something like that to surrounding sequence.

“There aren’t a lot. There’s one with Harrison Ford, there’s one with Rey, but there aren’t a lot.
“I think there are maybe seven or eight,” added Markey.

Sounds like they’re probably holding a lot of it back for now.

Yeah, that one’s tricky. I really don’t like it when it gets too monochromatic or bleached out, but the BD is dark and weird.

If I recall, the SSE showed that the Eastman print probably looked pretty reasonable.

CatBus said:

That’s fine. I just don’t want the old tracks included on new releases when there are better options. Leaving them out entirely is fine too, because people can always go get the latest & greatest, as you said.

Are there any besides the Castilian track that are important to update?

CatBus said:

So, I don’t know if this has already been addressed, but if this does have a future release pending, it’d be nice to have better dubs & subtitles than what’s available on 2.5. The broken Castilian track alone causes more grief with 2.5 than anything. PM me if you need links.

Thanks. I didn’t include any subs for the initial release, since anyone with spleen access can just get the latest Threepio anyway and be better off.

For the BD, I won’t be including non-english dubs because I’m limited on track count. But I could use updated ones for a future mkv release.

dkeighobadi said:

Oh right, I didn’t realise. Yours is the proper theatrical reconstruction then 😉

Well, Harmy’s is a proper theatrical construction. Mine takes a few seconds of shots directly from Tn1’s print, so there is that aspect.

Color wise, though, mine isn’t really making any such claim. If anything, it’s still largely Technicolor inspired but aims to remove parts that were off either due to the raw scan or poor Technicolor QC, in order to make it a bit more visually appealing to those of us who are more used to 80’s/early 90’s home video timing.

They’re not going to go for Ingruber, because they’re going to want to hire an actor to play the lead role in their multi million dollar blockbuster.

I don’t think there’s any way the film is going to ‘work’, so it’s probably somewhat pointless to argue about. Casting Ingruber would be a massive, and potentially hilarious mistake. But I think the fact that people are rallying behind the idea just goes to show that when it comes to Han Solo, people want the character himself exactly as they know him, and not just stories about his life. The support for Ingruber is the support against the idea of making the film at all.

It seems to come mostly from people who think ‘oh god, this is horrible. I can’t believe they’re doing it. But if they have to, I guess they should use this lookalike’. Even if greenlighting this movie ends up being a mistake, Disney is making the right move by not catering to the people who think that ‘the thing is doomed to fail anyway, so might as well get the character looking like Harrison’.

Color grading was the final step in the process, I believe. Nothing on his vimeo stream has shown his final grading, which is why many of us are eager to see samples some day.

dkeighobadi said:

dlvh said:

I’m glad you’re maintaining the Technicolor look though, even though it might not have been exactly like we may have seen in the theaters in '77, according to the links you’ve provided, your on the right path to a more consistent result throughout the whole film.

Keep up the good work…I’m excited to see what develops of this.

Just to clarify, Harmy’s DE, even with the green tint, is what what was in theatres in '77 right?

Maybe if you saw a Technicolor print in the UK you saw some green. But even then, probably not quite as much.

RedBro said:

AllAboutThatSpace said:
I personally way prefer t-1’s work than Mike’s Vimeo previews. But I understand he’s going for the official release so it’s a different project altogether.

Genuinely curious what you mean – because you think he makes too many alterations?

Or, some people here enjoy the nostalgia of the 35mm film experience. Some (a minority I’m sure) seem to prefer the grindhouse versions, even. People have actually requested a more scratched up version of the SSE, interestingly enough.

Relevant username.

chyron8472 said:

Towne, if you’re making BD menus, would it be possible for you to upload your BD menu project separately so that it can later be muxed with an MKV?

Can you rephrase that perhaps?

I can’t tell if you mean to just make sure the BD upload is its own thing and MKV is its own thing, or if you want me to actually upload all the project files for the BD.

The latter is really not worth the trouble. I’m happy enough with how it looks ( http://imgur.com/JFYYb8h ), but it’s absolutely nothing fancy. The only reason it exists is to work the gimmick of the seamless branching. And it’s not using some simple GUI type of BD app like Encore, so it probably wouldn’t be worth your trouble.

The MKV with crawl and mux of preference might be the way to go for you.

Sounds good to me.

On the color of that shot, I’ve made it a little cooler. Not too much, since I had already very slightly reduced the blue in the final shot of the Death Star. The shadows don’t really get as blue as 2.5, but it’s a bit hard to adjust as there’s more variation between the falcon vs. other ships in this scan than 2.5.

Harmy said:

And that shot of the figthers pulling out looks good, but I’d make its color-timing a bit closer to v2.5, so that it doesn’t clash with the surrounding shots.

Should be able to work with that. As long as the stars aren’t unacceptably dim. I can’t seem to get them any brighter without revealing light leak everywhere.

Does anyone (mainly Harmy) have any opinion on the Dewback at the Cantina static shot? I have ruled out being at all able to use SSE for that. I know there are some critics of the hand animated version. Is the Harmy 2.0 version, which I think is the same without the animation, preferred by anyone? It looks like I accidentally included that one last time. So I can either swap in 2.5 there or leave it. Harmy, do you stick by 2.5?

Alright, feedback time. Here’s the best I can do with the sequence Harmy requested.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3u3td3 password OT

First pass = the V1 based on Harmy’s 2.5

Second inserts the raw SSE shot.

Third is my cleanup.

Watching it all in an extended sequence reminds me of this for some reason: https://youtu.be/9ryPUJyQf6g?t=20s

canofhumdingers said:

Does anyone know what the original MKV file size is for this? the copy I have is 23,358,979KB which is apparently too big to burn to a BD-R (according to my new blu-ray shaped coaster…). Should I look for another copy, or should I go visit the technical forums for instructions on remuxing (?) it to a slightly smaller ISO file before burning to a disc? My end goal is to have a standard single layer bluray to pop into my player.

A BD version was released. It had the extra benefit of fixing a visual glitch at the end of the film (but I’m sure you of all people would’ve spotted that 😛 ).

RU.08 said:

Blue_Harvest said:

towne32 said:

Project files from the free ‘personal learning edition’ are compatible with the full version. So if you’re not the one who is going to be doing the heavy rendering anyway, that’s an option.

That’s interesting.
It would be a pleasure for me to help in that way (if what I propose in the first place is not possible)

I will download the Learning Edition and give it a try.

Yeah that is interesting Towne, thanks for that insight! 😃

You’re welcome. But Williarob was the one who pointed out this ‘feature’. Additionally, if one wanted to get really tricky without really breaking the rules, their trial of the free version can export as well. So in theory you could make sure everything is perfect in the PLE before using that version. In reality you’ll find something you hate about the export you thought was perfect the day before the trial ended. 😃

Well, I haven’t encoded the MKV yet. It won’t be too big to fit on a BD25 with the DTS-HD tracks, though. It’s just a matter of how many of the bonus tracks are allowed to fit on.

What happened the first time was I tried to get all 22 or whatever tracks to fit. It fit just about perfectly, with 16mb to spare. Then, I re-encoded due to something I had to fix, and it went over a bit. So, for my V1 release you need to exclude two of the 160mb ac3 tracks for your least favorite language. Which is fine. No one should need every language in a copy for their own personal viewing.

Yeah, I think the situation is quite clear at this point. The only thing that is not known, and probably cannot be known, is whether N1 knew that Joe was giving him Pete’s scan without permission, and that it was Pete’s scan. Joe could probably clarify that to Mike. But it’s all just he said / he said, really.

And as far as discussion here goes, there’s nothing else to cover. There’s always going to be a camp here that thinks there’s no such issue as morality with matters such as this, just do whatever it takes to get them the best quality torrent ASAP. And there will be those who support Legacy. And a variety of opinions in between (such as, why not just work on Joe’s scan, or another scan, etc and be done with the mess involved with Pete’s scan).

Memorex said:
Btw, did you manage to keep all the english audio mixes for the final encode?

Nearly. I could do 8, so I’ve left out the LD commentary (since it’s almost entirely nothing anyway), the non-English tracks, the visually impaired track, and the isolated score. For anyone who wants that, they’ll want an MKV release of some sort or other.

One thing I haven’t brought up until now is that the first 3 tracks, that were DTS-HD, are going to be the Dolby Digital versions from Harmy’s AVCHD release. For the seamless branching to work, the BD muxing software needs to mux part of the tracks into one m2ts and part into another, and the software doesn’t play nicely at all with these particular tracks. In fact, only tsmuxergui and multiavchd work well with those tracks in my hands. The extra disc space went into extra video bitrate. Again, an MKV version for anyone who finds this to be a dealbreaker.

Thanks Mike. Looking forward to listening to that in a few hours when I have a chance.

TV’s Frink said:

towne32,

Did you date Sigourney Weaver in '77?

Dear Frink,

I waited until 1992 when she was at the peak of her film career and hair styling decisions.

Nope.

Thanks. If the crawl is still a bit shakey then I think I’ll stick with the 1997 (I.e. 1977) star field with ANH crawl, unless anyone, such as Harmy, is strongly opposed to that. As it is now, it matches the look of DeEd pretty well in my opinion.

But I do appreciate the offer!