towne32

Dek Rollins said:

Memorex said:

Read something about the SSE being ever so slightly out of focus?

The main issue is the light leak that occurred during the scan. It caused bright light in the frame to streak across darker areas. I can’t wait to see what the new scan looks like.

Light leak and scan quality. Maybe focus isn’t perfect either.

I hope Harmy gets poita scans for the SW LPP and hopefully even ESB. Might help him match the BD quality. Certainly seemed helpful for Jedi

clutchins said:

Towne, when you were talking about the 1997 files did you mean to say you’re creating an update to the Respecialized '97 Edition based on your 2.6/7 Edition? I usually lurk these threads a couple of times a day to stay abreast of things but I haven’t checked them since I went out of town this weekend.

No such plans. But the current release has no black bars I think and must be reencoded to burn to BD.

Well I think you started off on the wrong foot, making accusations while asking for a favor. But I assume English is not your first language.

Memorex said:

This may or may not have been brought up when 2.0 was in the making; During the trench runs, like 01:50:56 and onwards, there are some green patches on the walls. Was this caused by technicolor? Don’t have access to any other reference at the moment.

Not sure but it’s definitely beyond my ability to change it. I actually did a version with greyer trenches made from the BD, but it clashed with the cockpit shots and despecialized ones, and those ones I couldnt change. So, definitely leaving it alone.

Harmy said:

I’d be happy to uload the lossless files for you but I won’t be home before Monday.
I’m glad to see thos sort of pay it forward attitude working here - I sent the BDs with the lossless files to Laserschwert for his German version, he sent them to Marvins for the French version and now the chain continues - but for sending files overseas, it’s almost always faster to send them online.

Also, to avoid confusion, it may be best to simply call the next version v2.7.

Thanks on both accounts. I hate to increment the version number based mostly on stupid mistakes. I’ll pitch the main idea as being from lossless files, then. 😉

Thanks, Harmy. If you don’t mind then I’ll tell Marvins thanks anyway for the offer. He and Laserschwert were both kind enough to message me about the matter. And I’ll be happy to do similar, but I don’t know why I would need to. One thing I can do, if anyone still wants it, is encode a BD compatible copy of Respecialized 97.

DrDre said:

I’ve updated the color grading on this shot, inspired by Darth Lucas’s grading, that I really like:

It’s pretty funny how many hands that image has passed through, if I’m not mistaken.

You_too -> Harmy -> me -> DL -> you grading something based on it.

Memorex said:

towne32 said:

Memorex said:

Awaiting the updated version then 😉

Btw I noticed something while watching 2.6. At 01:50:26 just when it cuts from the shot of the TIE-fighter to the X-wing, it looks like the motion of the TIE is frozen just before the cut. Tried to go frame-by-frame in MPC but no frame seems to be repeated (not sure if mpc advances 1 frame at a time though?) Am I imagining this here?

This is bizarre.

Yes, the same thing happens in VLC. And no, there are no frames missing or repeating. Interestingly, the ANH MKV has the glitch occur between the previous two shots (Vader firing and the tie fighter) but the tie to the x-wing shots are smooth.

Not really sure what’s going on here. A bitrate jump that is not favorable? There are no errors there in the BD format release, which was encoded from the same master with different bitrate settings.

Bizarre indeed! Just read that the new version will be encoded from the lossless source-files and I assume that will eliminate error 😃 Lucky thing I haven’t burned 2.6 to a disc yet!

Any sneak previews of those new tweaks mentioned? 😉 Or just any info on planned tweaks? (Apart from the
pod shot mentioned above that is.)

I could do some comparison images again. Maybe compared to 2.6 this time. They’re very minor and mostly based on Darth Lucas’s observations. Although many of the shots are ones he also changed, the changes are much smaller in every case.

Pod bay scene was made less blue.

Mos Eisley tweaks were minor. I took the magenta shift out of that first 35mm entrance shot. But then it seemed way too cold, so I put most of it back. 😃 The closeup of Obiwan during the Identification speech had a little red removed, but I don’t agree that the whole scene is too magenta. Used the 2.5 shot discussed earlier today.

Turned down the blue very slightly in several scenes:
When the troops scramble just after the falcon lands at the Death Star, and during Vader’s “I want every part of this ship checked” speech. Han’s ‘boring conversation anyway’ shot. Before and after Han runs into the despecialized hallway of stormtroopers. One shot early in Luke/Leia’s bridge scene that was very blue, even for the already blue scene. Tarkin on his intercom before the diamond wipe to the Yavin briefing. The battle of Yavin is the same except for the two scenes with Vader on foot in the Death Star and two shots of stormtroopers blowing up. Blue was turned down on those as well. All of these shots still have blue sets and none of it would have been noteworthy enough for a release if it wasn’t for the other issues.

Darth Lucas said:

Any ETA on the new version towne32? I already fixed the speeder shot in my version, but I’m thinking if it might be worth it to wait for the new version for the increased quality.

I think the person is planning on sending the discs soon, though they seem a bit busy. So however long it takes to get some BD discs from Europe to the US. On the other hand, Harmy seemed to get the 1997 files online with relative ease and I had them downloaded within a day. But I hate to bug him and wouldn’t want the other person to have wasted their time if they already burnt discs (I am not sure that they have), especially since the very good idea of using the lossless files was his idea.

FrankT said:

towne32 said:

So 2.0 was a gout/bd hybrid? That explains the droid’s clarity

If anyone spots more problems, let me know. Sorry for the final release not being final.

Oh… I’m going to have to download this again, aren’t I?

Well, it depends if that shot bothers you or not I guess. There’ll be other tweaks since I can’t seem to leave this alone. 😃 (for example, the shots of C3PO by the pod arguing with R2 were a bit too blue before).

The other benefit of doing another render will be having Harmy’s lossless files, instead of the lossy ones used before. I can cut the bitrate down to what Harmy normally uses and have it look as good. This will save people a tiny bit of bandwidth/space on their re-re downloads as well as hopefully prevent the weird playback issue we have been discussing.

I’ve got Harmy’s 1997 files from him (thanks again). I am getting the 2.5 files on discs in the mail from a member. Depending on customs, etc, it could be a while before I’ve got them. Which is actually good, as it will allow me you guys to spot additional issues. Plus, I’ve already sort of spammed myspleen with the previous release in 4x formats.

Again, sorry for the trouble and use of your bandwidth. The 2.6 release that’s up should be 100% watchable, though. I might not upload the update to the spleen, and just use filesharing sites to share it with you guys who know about these issues and want a fix. Not sure.

I’m hoping the answer turns out to be that they’ve done something that’s actually interesting with the fate of Coruscant. Whether or not that will be in the films as opposed to other media will probably depend on whether Rian and Colin are as reluctant to use anything (essentially) from the SE/PT era.

That segment is the stuff of restoration nightmares. Good luck to whomever decides they want to take that on. 😛

Memorex said:

Awaiting the updated version then 😉

Btw I noticed something while watching 2.6. At 01:50:26 just when it cuts from the shot of the TIE-fighter to the X-wing, it looks like the motion of the TIE is frozen just before the cut. Tried to go frame-by-frame in MPC but no frame seems to be repeated (not sure if mpc advances 1 frame at a time though?) Am I imagining this here?

This is bizarre.

Yes, the same thing happens in VLC. And no, there are no frames missing or repeating. Interestingly, the ANH MKV has the glitch occur between the previous two shots (Vader firing and the tie fighter) but the tie to the x-wing shots are smooth.

Not really sure what’s going on here. A bitrate jump that is not favorable? There are no errors there in the BD format release, which was encoded from the same master with different bitrate settings.

Faithwyn said:

Below is my post from the Spleen Comment sect:

"Looks like more going on in these screens than just color correction!

http://imgur.com/a/wYntd

The frame seems zoomed or cropped slightly and the sharpness much better.
Note the R2 droid in the foreground."

I decided to repost here just to get some feedback.

Thanks for the feedback. This is actually exactly what we were talking about today in this thread. The issue is that the shot was used from the wrong version of Harmy’s. So, the droid looks better because it came from the blu-ray. It actually never looked like that in the original version. But, the rest of the shot, especially the speeder, looks worse even if the droid looks nice. 😃

But you’re absolutely right that more is going on than just color correction in general (though it shouldn’t have for that shot). Some 35mm shots were cleaned up and included. The majority are probably things I could have done without (and a lot of people don’t like the 35mm explosions it seems). But I’m very happy with the way the shot of Luke walking to the X-wing turned out, as well as the falcon ‘peeling off’ as I think Mike Verta titled that shot.

Harmy said:

towne32 said:

Sorry for the final release not being final.

Yeah, that happens 😄

Especially great when there are 4 versions of the release. 😉

But the branching disc didn’t seem to be as popular as I thought. So I’ll probably skip that next time.

So 2.0 was a gout/bd hybrid? That explains the droid’s clarity

If anyone spots more problems, let me know. Sorry for the final release not being final.

Harmy said:

Wait, what? Tell me you didn’t use v2.0 for that shot! Otherwise I can’t imagine why tat R2 unit isn’t blurry, when that was a side-effect of the effects used in the shot, so he’s blurry very much intentionally from v2.1 onward.

Plus, of course, v2.0 uses the GOUT, whereas v2.1 (and 2.5) use 35mm scan.

Well. That was an accident. When i fixed the dewback shot I think I looked at the end of the shot and the two R2 units and assumed the clearer shot was 2.5.

Fixed it after reading DL’s post about it. Can give the fixed version to anyone interested. Otherwise, when I get the lossless 2.5 discs from marvins and encode the higher quality version it’ll be fixed.

red5-626 said:

scans from multiple prince

Oh right, the speech recognition thing. 😉

Yeah, there are multiple prints and the details aren’t all worked out yet.

Dek Rollins said:

I love this thread.

The best thing about it, is that it’s about the topic of the thread and not several other topics.

TV’s Frink said:

red5-626 said:

TV’s Frink said:

Why are you wandering?

wondering wandering speech recognition sucks

i will rephrase my question.
What the hell’s going on?

That covers a lot of ground. How long do you have?

No need. I’ve caught him up on the gist of what the hell is going on in this thread. If this thread wasn’t clear to him before, hopefully he has a better understanding of this thread and the things that are discussed in this thread, when he makes his next post in this thread.

red5-626 said:

TV’s Frink said:

Why are you wandering?

wondering wandering speech recognition sucks

i will rephrase my question.
What the hell’s going on?

People are interested in a collaborative project to help the cleanup of poita’s scans and there are some tools undergoing development that should hopefully help in the endeavor.

red5-626 said:

Oh man I stay off the form for a while and every thing goes to H***!
So T-1 is no more? Now I am just wandering but how much of a setback is this going to be?
Are we back to GOUT scaling for another 5 years?

Why did you post about TN1 in this thread?

Why did you suggest going back to GOUT in a 35mm restoration thread?

Lord Haseo said:

Hopefully Jakku Message is the rumored Leia political scene I’ve heard about

From makingsw

Jakku Message might be when Poe calls the Resistance base to let them know he has the artifact from Lor San Tekka and then radios them back its not going well or possibly the additional Kor Sella content

Lord Haseo said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

“The cave! Remember your failure at the cave!”

“But I’ve learned so much since then!”

IMO, that bit of dialogue hints that something more than two weeks worth of training passed by.

That’s a very good point and I hope he got at least 2 months of training. That would explain why someone who has never been trained in actual lightsaber combat was able to land a hit on a Lord of The Sith. There’s no way 2 weeks of could explain why Luke was able to hit an undisputed master of lightsaber combat.

Sure. But what’s slightly frustrating (and the only issue I have with this film) is that Han/Leia’s story that is cut back and forth to seems like something that takes place over several hours or a day. I don’t have a problem with that sequence itself, even if it is filler as someone suggested. But the passage of time feels extremely inconsistent.

Deleted scenes:

Finn And The Villager
Jakku Message
X-wings Prepare For Lightspeed
Kylo Searches The Falcon
Snow Speeder Chase
Finn Will Be Fine

Well. That all sounds thoroughly useless for the kinds of things people want to accomplish. The snowspeeder chase might be a fun addition, but nothing storyline related it seems.

As many suspected, they’re probably going to dish these out slowly over various box sets and crap in the years to come.

Only if someone else makes it. 😃