Color looks nice, but I think your brightness and contrast looked much better before. That Ben/Luke/3PO shot is back to looking strange due to it. And some of the Tantive/dinner/canyon scenes are overly bright.
Maybe you should make your own edits instead of pitching the worst ideas be reinstated into the best fanedits on the internet. Have you watched them yet, by the way?
Anakin and Padmé’s relationship was not an open secret. If that was the case, Anakin would have been expelled from the Jedi Order.
I wasn’t arguing about what the canon storyline is. I was saying it was poorly handled and not believable.
Also, fwiw, I was looking at your color changes again. I know you prefer the desaturated look, but I would recommend reverting your changes for the Fox logo, since Harmy said that for his ESB 2.5 it will be consistent with his SW 2.5 (and therefore 2.6). And I don’t know if you were planning on modifying ESB. Also, you timed the Long Time Ago card to match RoTJ and the SE/TFA, but I think SW (and ESB?) is the darker blue.
Now that the subtitle decisions seem to be made, all I need to do is have you guys review on final test encode and then I’ll make the master encode.
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The secret relationship and forever alone Jedi thing were unnecessary features of the PT, anyway. I don’t know why we need so much emphasis on these aspects to be restored. There is never external pressure from Obiwan or the council acting on Anakin, regarding these rules (I think). It’s unbelievable enough that, watching the Clone Wars TV show, I always find myself defaulting to the assumption that it’s an open secret. Obiwan is obviously not surprised in RoTS.
We still have the ‘unconditional love’ scene showing us that clearly the Jedi have a nuanced view on what would be considered appropriate behavior and relationships. Anakin sidesteps the mentioned rules with a half-assed response, and then they never seek Jedi approval for their relationship.
The dialogue you have left in that scene is still painfully bad. Of much lower quality than anything Hal has left in, IMO. And it doesn’t do anything to further explain these strange Jedi rules. It’s just a bunch of, “We couldn’t!” “We mustn’t!” sludge.
Well, I am fairly indifferent to the choice of Eastman vs. Technicolor styled subs. I kind of like the thicker looking letters, but if there is a strong consensus opinion here, I can probably go with that, unless Harmy sways the vote in either direction. 😃
Here’s some shots from the Test render v2.65 Video
with subtitles from v2.5These I like…
Sorry Towne but I had to replace your Audio with the English 5.1
my Thai is a tad weak!
What was the method you used to overlay the old subtitles? They shouldn’t line up, so presumably you are taking some of the old video sequence too and blending it to patch.
There’s no need for any of that. If I use the 2.5 subtitles it will be by using the entire sequence as it is in 2.6.
Edit1: Also, you’re using Han’s .sup subs for some reason in your sample.
Edit2: I think I misunderstood. You’re just demonstrating my most recent preview’s compatibility with Catbus’s 2.5 main sup subtitles?
Interesting. I may just use the 2.5 video then (as in 2.6).
I don’t think I changed han or greedo.
Thanks, though. I was hoping the subs looked good.
Edit: Catbus, what do you think? Are you planning on adjusting the subs at all or are things looking okay?
Harmy, I used a frequency of 12 and mag 0.5 because it was very jittery at 24 freq. Looks good enough I think? The grain was more apparent in AE than the render, but it might just be my display.
Here’s a test of Greedo subs with weave, some grain, and a brightness adjustment:
https://mega.nz/#!SRRk0CgK!sK5txZwGwf-GDbpnzXk-qXDBvdL96iolog0k69sgi9o
OUT confirmed for 2016
Off topic.
Great, thank you.
Edit: Between this and the ongoing discussion in Catbus’s thread, I think it’s likely that I’ll go with the 2.5 subs. 😃
It’s definitely not the same print, however this was handled. Mike may have provided -1 with a non-Technicolor source. But also this is weird because although -1’s print was Spanish, the particular section had been spliced out and replaced with the scene from an English language print. I know because I synced the Spanish soundtrack and this part was English. So whatever -1 was good enough to use audio-wise, and must have had pretty bad visual damage if he sought other sources.
The more I learn about their prints and interactions, the less I know.
In AE, use the built in AE Add Grain effect and for the weave use The Wiggler: https://youtu.be/e8irFwZ6VPY
Thanks! Any recommended settings? I have to admit that I am slightly blind to details like mild gateweave, but would like to make sure it looks right for everyone else.
I can’t see how it would be de-warping, since the subtitles are the only thing distorted in this manner, nothing else.
Well, I know the -1 scan has some light leakage, which couldn’t really do a lot more than blur the edges but might effectively give you an extra pixel all around. And SSE is based on a dupe print, which is two generations of duplication after Verta’s print. So I’m thinking it’s the duplication, which means the thickness of the subtitles depends on when and where you saw it… ugh. Like the soundtrack! 😉
Their print was Spanish and they got this scene from Mike.
And in this case, it’s the exact same print, right? edit: Actually, it might even be the same scan?
Maybe it has something to do with TN1’s dewarping technique (if they do that)?
Did you resize TN1’s frame to the BD (or some presumably reliable source)? The SSE is stretched vertically in a lot of the scenes I’ve looked at.
Thank God! He’s green!
ish
All things considered, that’s a pretty frame and just another reason I want Legacy. 😃
Anyway, Harmy, do you think you could give me some tips on gateweave/grain? Either here or PM if you prefer. Can move things over to AE if that helps.
Is the sub timing in 2.5 correct or do I need to line it up with SSE timing?
edit: frame count wise not color.
I like the newest set.
They’re currently added via Premiere, but I can change that.
You’re saying the color was changed after rendering the sub’s in, then? For both films?
edited link: slightly reduced the blue from the final shot (Harmy’s).
https://mega.nz/#!DJAgTZwR!AUmZKP7sB8q2zl1N6EhrsT0wAJtqDBbQfapg749T5kE
If I do anything with the grain and weave, it should probably be whatever Harmy does, since I have no idea what I’m doing there. 😃
One thing I noticed about the subs in Jedi DeEd 2.5 is that the subtitles are slightly yellowed, not a pure white. If you’re looking to match, you should probably do that, unless Harmy says he did it for a reason that’s specific to Jedi. Still no help with the grain or weave though.
Yeah, I was thinking they’re a bit too bright. Might pull the color value from Jedi.
I spent too much time on this frame, and I realized I did my best regrading a while ago, so this is it for real 😉:
It looks great and not even a little bit like piss. 😄
Agreed with matching ESB/ROTJ in crawl color. Makes the most sense. Honestly either is better than the '97 and on colors as that doesnt match ESB and ROTJ at all and is the coloring used in the prequels and TFA.
My last release didn’t use 97 colors. It was quite changed from Harmy’s, but I’m not sure that his was trying to replicate any specific 1997 source, either.
