towne32

Discostu said:

I could use just pixels from Star Wars and make a giant animated penis out of it… still restoration? ok, I’m starting to troll but I seem to have a much stricter interpretation of the term than most people here.

Okay, so instead of your trolling comment, what do you think about registering the prints so that they’re correctly aligned and using pixels from one print that repair damage that is specific to another print? I don’t see how that is not restoration. It’s better than most restorations, even professional ones, that use pixels from adjacent frames to patch the damage.

I’m not sure how strict you’re talking about (scan it and leave it 100% alone?). That would be a preservation of a specific print the way it was seen after x amount of viewings and the damage that came along with all those viewings. If that’s what you consider a restoration, it’s pretty good that Mike isn’t doing it, because it’s a terrible idea for a restoration.

yotsuya said:

Mike isn’t trying to create a faithful duplicate of the original. He is trying to restore the best picture that he can from the sources he has. He is basically doing what Lucas should have done in 97.

Right. And he’s doing so without a single frame or pixel coming from the SE. All of the pixels used to repair are coming from other original 35mm prints. I don’t think there is any question that it’s a restoration. I see how “preservation” could be more debatable and vague. But he’s definitely restoring Star Wars.

@Mavimao

Well, as Maestro said, Mike’s page has a lot of information about what this project used to be (like 10 years ago?) when he was working with Laserdisc sources and so on. The evolution of the project and the rocky start of this thread are why a lot of members, even ones who have been here for years, sometimes find out about what Legacy is much later on. I know I shrugged off this thread for a long time, not really sure of what it was about. Once you read about it and see some of the work, though, holy shit… there’s no going back.

Someone uploaded gout synced video of tn1’s sw and ESB releases just a few days ago, I think.

NeverarGreat said:

I hadn’t considered that. They may have been deleted, since they are single frames. It seems odd that they would be though, I haven’t detected any other errors of this nature so far.

Darth Lucas noticed that the lightsaber glitch frame was partially fixed in Ben’s hut. Similar situation. One of their test renders had the top of a jawa’s hood removed. These things happen.

But I admit it seems unlikely that the laser would be 100% removed without artifacts. Still, I don’t know of any other changes like this between theatrical and GOUT so it’s a possible explanation. Or, it may be real.

There’s one very confusingly named thing on spleen which is made from Harmy’s. It is supposedly recolored based on the grindhouse but obviously that’s counterintuitive as that release is red faded.

I think the BD25 of the actual grindhouse release is still there, though negative1 deleted the mkv.

Thanks. Wazzles has sent me the 720p link.

I do need the DTS muxed to the DVD video (or a low quality encode of the video with the same sync) to make sure the end video will synchronize.

Could they have accidentally been cleaned out of the SSE? If they’re single frame flashes they might’ve been detected as damage?

Maybe poita can comment about how his other scans look, even if SSE does indeed lack the lasers.

digitalfreaknyc said:

I would use the Blu-ray as a base and upscale the 720 as needed and then use the DTS track as the main audio. Watch out because the 720 isn’t cropped as much as mine is and is a slightly off AR. You might need to crop.

Yes, I agree.

And I generally use a correctly cropped workspace anyway, and simply add the black bars at the rendering stage. So issues with the AR should be obvious while working.

Thanks for checking it out!

Dreamaster said:

Secondly, Poita has a full scan of the movie that he has done independently that is red faded and Dre is working on obtaining it?

He has multiple scans, including Technicolor and the LPP. But I think he does have an Eastman one, too, which would be faded. Do you just mean to test Dre’s algorithm?

Poita has done cleanup work on the THX film with high dollar software… so would his scan be “cleaned” like his THX sample or will it be “raw/grindhouse”?

Eventually, that would of course be ideal.

I agree. I should mention that when I pointed out that some people have an issue with those shots, I’m not really one of the people who cares.

I’d love a similar copy of BTTF2. If the Pitbull logo is miscolored I would not turn it down. 😃

Yeah. Microsoft has been doing this since the first Xbox, which they made unable to read music on CD-Rs, but fine for regular CDs.

I really don’t know about the Sanyo player. I don’t think it’s a common problem as it was with DVD-Rs. BD-Rs are a better, more reflective medium than the previous generation of purple discs.

Well, it really should be in the ‘how to’ section. There are some threads that at least have some relevancy such as techniques for producing edits and stuff. But, as you say, you only did this for exposure. That’s a bad reason, so it’ll probably be moved.

Anyway, as far as I know, the Microsoft intentionally made the X1 not read BD-R video discs in order to avoid piracy. But if the case with the Sanyo player is just that it’s a cheapo drive that doesn’t read the discs well, you can try using better media like Verbatim discs.

Definitely better than I expected could be done. Needs a little work, but it still takes it from unusable to usable. As you probably know, you can see a horizontal line through the middle of part of it, and then more importantly at the 4 second mark there’s a diagonal line that kind of passes through the whole thing from right to left. The former I wouldn’t have seen if I was just watching Kylo, but the latter drew my eye. But this is great even if it can’t be further improved.

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

For some strange reason I doubt a reputable movie theater would do that with prints loaned to it.

Also: http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/OT-Special-Editions-to-have-USA-Roadshow-Summer-16/id/49325

Right. And there’s really no need to worry about the fact that there’s no way they’re going to let us scan their prints.

Other 97SE prints have been available from time to time. ANH has been scanned at least once. In general, the SE prints are surely in better shape than the originals. Plus they’re not faded, of course.

Mavimao said:

I was thinking more of actual PR agents writing stupid stuff in comments.

I know. I’m just saying that their machine is effective enough to transform real people into folks who post such nonsense. Saves themselves the effort of doing that. 😉

Williarob said:

Please don’t waste too much time on this - a fully GOUT sync’d v1.5 is already completed, with all the missing frames restored, some additional cleanup, 35mm Spanish Audio, and some problem shots replaced from other sources.

Coming to a galaxy near you, very soon.

That sounds great. So this is closer to what was previously planned for 2.0, and 2.0 is now more of Poita’s scan?

In the sense of a self-replicating PR machine that creates PR machines out of previously innocent fans? Yes. To George’s credit, it’s very sci-fi. 😃

How would you ever know if it was restored to match the print’s color, then? Even when people are able to match the scan to the print by looking at the projected print while they’re doing it, they are of course matching it to a specific bulb (hopefully the correct one). I mean, the print doesn’t even technically have color without a light source to see it. 😉 I think some bias is required because almost 0% of people are going to be watching it with the ‘correct’ type of bulb, even among the lower percentage of people who will be projecting it in some way. But the print itself doesn’t posses some ‘bulbless’ color state that is both objective and correct, does it?

I’m confused, are you releasing theatrical BD video with those tracks alongside the SE?

Mitch said:

Harmy is in the news, lol
http://www.wsj.com/articles/star-wars-fans-feel-the-force-calling-them-back-to-original-cuts-1461012670

“Oh. Here’s something that everyone else reported about several months ago. Better have a super late go at it as well?”

Colson said:

Wazzles said:

TV’s Frink said:

Wazzles said:

Well, at least we know we won’t see a proper version within the year: http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/04/12/star-wars-original-trilogy-heading-back-to-theaters

I don’t see how one confirms the other.

I suppose it doesn’t necessarily, but wouldn’t if they were to release a restoration this year, why would they bother even showing the 97 version?

Mainly because it appears Alamo Drafthouse is showing 35mm prints of the '97 version, specifically, so I imagine they’ve gone to great lengths to secure these prints.

I’ve read that when a theater requests a 35mm Star Wars film to show, they can still get the 1997 version from Fox. Though the ones shown last year were the digital 1080p 2011 versions.

Jp4195 said:

we need access to a blu ray rip of the 1982 version (a 720p rip for consistent quality between both sources, unless it can be up converted to 1080p somehow)
a list of changes between the 20th anniversary and original theatrical cut
access to the DTS and Dolby audio tracks

Well, I have the blu-ray itself of course and I can just edit it from the raw 264 stream.

We have the changes list unless someone finds something missing from moviecensorship. If there’s a difference in shot timing, that will become apparent. But anything that’s equal duration and not on their list is going to get missed.

I don’t have those audio tracks.

something just occurred to me if the 20th anniversary version is in 720p and the only differences are two extra scenes with the rest being altered shots is a blu ray rip needed since the blu ray is exactly the same minus the digital alterations couldn’t the 720p rip just be synced up with the DTS and Dolby tracks and be made available, unless of course if someone else has a better idea

Yeah. That could be done instead. Just a matter of whether or not you want to upgrade the rest of the film’s quality.

Wazzles said:

towne32 said:

I could probably work on that if no one else wants to do the assembling. I’ve got the blu-ray (which includes the weird deleted scene) and would just need the HDTV source.

What is the source of the DTS track you’ve mentioned (20th version I assume?). Is it muxed with video that can be used as reference for editing? I don’t know anything about the ET audio. Edit: Oh, it’s from the DVD? Well, I would need that muxed to the video. Even if it’s a low res sample, but just to make sure it syncs.

I can send you the one that I found when I get home. Send me a PM if you’re interested.

Thanks. I suppose we don’t know yet whether yours or digitalfreaknyc’s is higher quality?