towne32

Ronster said:

If you are going to put movies in the list because of major color tints being added. You may as well add Stargate to the list also.

I’ve thought this list was interesting because it provides many solid examples of irrefutable manipulation of the films. I agree that things like color (also DVNR) are also reasons why current home video releases can often be problematic, but it’s done so frequently I think it might drown out the alterations that were deliberate revisionism with cases that are just due to shitty grading and remastering.

I’m not necessarily protesting adding that stuff to the list. Just thought I’d mention that there have been other threads about color timing issues, and that this list was a bit more interesting without it in my opinion.

The new BD just dropped to $15 on amazon.

stretch009 said:

^ What about the damn logo man?!

That could probably be removed if it was a superior version worth using. From the screens, it doesn’t really look like it is.

And I would suggest that a 1981 change, made before the film was even available on home video, is even enormously less “vandalism” than the 1997 changes, as it at least occurred in the OT era. It of course shouldn’t take priority over SW77, though.

His voice didn’t really sound altered in the podcast he did a while back.

yotsuya said:

Sorry again about complaining about the starfield. It wasn’t that bad, just not exact. Perfectionist that I am, I am down to the flyover section in remastering it. I just have to find the time to edit just over 400 frames to get it right.

It’s not a big deal, and it isn’t as if you were wrong.

My main point is just that very few people downloaded or cared about the ANH crawl. There were no positive comments, just the few complaints.

Dek Rollins said:

Towne32, are you going to use the SE crawl like before, or are you going to try and get the '81 crawl from Darth Lucas that he says he’ll be done with soon (or he maybe already is)?

Just doing the SE crawl like before. I love that yotusya and DL have put so much work into the 81 crawl versions. I feel bad that when I watch them, I only seem to pay attention to the faults. Things like static grain, etc, bug me than the technical accuracy of the position of the stars.

DL: Thanks for the offer! I’ve actually got the color corrected SE crawl already rendered and am just going to use that.

For some of the reasons I’ve just mentioned, I was going to avoid even dealing with the crawl. But for anyone who wants a link, please PM me for the MrPib edition. 😉

Honestly, towne32, I do very much appreciate what you accomplished in 2.7. It looks AMAZING.
And my ball-busting aside, I don’t care what other versions are created, as long as I can get my mitts on a 1977 version.

Eh, it’s fine. I just don’t understand the need people sometimes have of making sure other people don’t get the version they want, as long as it doesn’t affect the other options. I recently ranted about the exact same thing in njvc’s blu-ray thread (someone wanted to eliminate an optional BD50 option because he only liked the BD25 option). It’s funny enough that the user’s name in that case was A_New_Hope. 😃

The SW77 release would of course always have been the priority. Nothing else would’ve been released ahead of that one.

Reviews for the new Khan blu-ray sound good so far. There are some comparison images to show the improved color here: http://trekcore.com/blog/2016/06/review-star-trek-the-wrath-of-khan-directors-cut-bluray/

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/item/star-trek-2-directors-cut-bd

The most useful thing he has probably done in this community is make sure the ANH version is released, even if it’s only to spite him.

If you download it, be sure to thank MrPib. It wouldn’t have been released were it not for him!

Edit: I’ll PM you think link tomorrow, Density. Please share it as widely as you can.

Jesus christ, shut the fuck up about it, MrPib.

I made an ANH crawl for 2.6, so it’s not an unreasonable question.

I did my best to ignore this, because I don’t know if I will indeed get around to encoding and uploading such a thing. Mostly because for 2.6 I did so and no one ever said anything but to complain about the starfield. But holy shit, you people are obnoxious sometimes.

Spam folder.

Maybe it’s an issue with your browser, or otherwise your account isn’t allowed to or something?

Wow. They’re selling tons of copies of these things for $30 to $50 a disc. I reported a handful.

“when and if”

He suggested that there might be despecialized ones to use as a starting point. Was just saying there are quite a lot to choose from as far as that goes.

dahmage said:

Heading out for a much needed vacation for a few days, but I would love to take a look at this if you want more eyes before widespread release. But I have a lot of confidence that you will get it right.

Regarding covers etc, anyone working on that? I imagine there are already some despecialized ones that could be a starting point? (On my mobile and feeling way too lazy to search for anything)

There’s a thread that probably has 100 or so options for despecialized.

SilverWook said:

One 16mm print of Star Wars inexplicably sold for a couple thousand bucks in the midst of TFA fever, and now prices are artificially bloated. (As is anything Star Wars.) None of the others have sold though.

Overly rich fan or friend of fan at best. At worst, intentionally inflating the price for another sale, or money laundering.

All Jedi prints are actually low fade. We’ve had several 35mm prints scanned, so I don’t think there’s a need for 16mm at all.

But regardless, the price is absolutely absurd. Even for 35mm it would be absurd. 😃

The lossless master was mostly in case he couldn’t get the existing video streams working. But he did.

I’m not sure if he really even has much room to spare. But if he does go about reencoding, we might also want to discuss encoding settings as Harmy’s were already well optimized. Wouldn’t want him encoding h264 with adobe and unintentionally downgrading the video quality or something. It also introduces new chances for errors to slip in.

imail724 said:

Wow. I am EXTREMELY excited for this! Now who will be the first to whip up some covers??

I think an ‘insert’ card would also be important in this case, to describe all the audio tracks and subs that will not be present on the menu.

Given how massive and full these discs are, it might be a good idea to have the members here test them out before making the version permanent by uploading to the spleen, etc.

Issues with the audio tracks might also be better discussed with Catbus or hairy_hen (not sure who is responsible for the French track). Basically, Harmy does the video and uses audio/subs from those guys. 😃

MalàStrana said:

@Harmy

There are a few issues with the french srt file, regarding the translation. I believe they are partially based on the original dubbing which was quite flawded. Here is an example:

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00:32:37,855 --> 00:32:42,555
– Je l’ai si peu connu…

Well, as far as I remember Luke has never known his father, so the proper translation of “I wish I knew him…” is “J’aurais aimé le connaître…”.

I don’t know French or if there is a problem here. But I think you’re looking for Catbus rather than Harmy for a matter like this.

TV’s Frink said:

towne32 said:

Now that I know that I understand where you were coming from, I can say with complete confidence that the points you’ve made are all extremely silly.

Also putting select WORDS in all CAPS just makes you LOOK even more SILLY.

If Frinkbot taught us anything, and he didn’t, it’s that it’s ALL caps or NONE.

This needs to be emphasized. njvc is doing an amazing job for all of us and to complain about something irrelevant that doesn’t affect you in the slightest is just rude.

The most absurd part was running in like, “Oh my god. Is it too late? No? STOP THE PRESSES. I fear that you have made a grave mistake and accidentally did not read my post a few pages back [link]. Surely it was not ignored while more relevant issues were discussed. Okay now that I’ve gotten your attention could you just release the version of this that I’m interested in? Lol the redundancy is going to hurt my eyes if I need to see the link next to the version I want to click on. Ok thxbye.”

PARAPHRASED. Obvously A.S. didn’t say it in that intentionally rude tone, but I think it conveys how it came across to for those of us awaiting the BD50 to have someone isn’t affected by it to try to shut it down for no reason.

I understand how you might think there are significant issues. Although it is 2016, I’m aware that not everyone has uncapped internet, fiber connections, and so on. If those were issues for him (or if he expressed any reservations), I would hardly beg him to take it on. And we would have to all think about other options. But, for him, like for many of us, the idea of uploading 150Gb seems to be extremely trivial in this day and age. As I said, Harmy’s releases are infrequent. And fortunately, you won’t have to download it.

Thanks for further clarifying what you meant. Now that I know that I understand where you were coming from, I can say with complete confidence that the points you’ve made are all extremely silly. Since you have made your point, as dahmage said, we will appreciate it if you no longer attempt to talk him out of working on the option that many of us will prefer and that he seems quite excited to produce. It would be a completely different story if this impacted the versions that you will be downloading. I think you should be glad about the redundancy, since it is your BD25 versions that would be dropped, not the BD50. But you’re still getting what you want, so there is no need to complain. Thank you.

Dat_SW_Guy said:

try torrenting too.

True. I see that it is on the public trackers now.