towne32

Jeebus said:

Can we IP ban Wario64 yet?

He’s probably using a VPN. Many forums these days simply ban the major VPNs. It’s probably outside of the capabilities of the modest forum software, but there are plenty of other reasonable steps that OT could consider (I started another thread about it). Manually banning Wario each time he comes back after someone reports him doesn’t really work when it’s a little kid who doesn’t really have anything to do except set aside time to prepare 25 posts to rapidly submit, and a half dozen accounts at a time.

Well, given how nasty Wario64’s (or whoever’s) current trolling has gotten, is it time to consider a more stringent registration process?

Admin approval (yes, some will slip through. But Wario tends to make a buttload of accounts at a time.)

Ban some of the bullshit free email domains (Guerrilla Mail, etc) if he’s using them. More legit sites like google don’t make it as easy to drum up 100 addresses anymore.

Needing to wait a week before being allowed to post. (not friendly to new users, but I would argue that they and we would be better off if they lurked and read other posts for a week anyway)

no posting images (duh. But it seems unlikely that the platform will support this? If it can’t be implemented, I would argue that links need to be clicked instead of embedded, as inconvenient as that is.)

limit of one post an hour, no creating new threads, etc? (no downsides to these)

Pretty standard stuff in this day and age.

I don’t do anything different with tsmuxer. What software are you using to burn the BDMV?

Erikstormtrooper said:

I’m pretty sure I remember Mike saying he would get this output on film - to make it easier to archive and preserve.

Yep. I don’t know anything about the process of going from digital to film out (is there still a negative involved?). But physical prints were definitely part of the plan last time we heard from him. I don’t recall him ever suggesting that the finished digital product was supposed to be a scan of that, though.

Jetrell Fo said:

I got my copy of the new Blu for $14.95 @ my local Wal-Mart. I DO enjoy it very much but I still have love for the old HDTV transfer.

Just so you know, there was an error on the disc with some shot of Sulu being repeated instead of showing the correct second shot. The publisher is doing a free disc exchange.

Shalashaska said:

I’m curious though, how and why are the broadcast versions so different from the Blu-rays? I don’t get why they’d slather inappropriate amounts of DNR and EE all over the BRs and leave the TV versions untouched.

Things like this can be earlier scans done that were originally made and cleaned up for DVD, but also used for HDTV streaming. The picture quality is lower, but it’s not as big of a deal for DVD, and HDTV presentation might have been a lower priority (especially when it was less common). Along comes blu-ray and a push for the idea that sharper and smooth is good, while grain is bad.

In most cases, the older HDTV transfers aren’t shown much once the blu-ray comes out.

Angles are done by seamless branching which isn’t supported by the software (at least for blu-ray). There have been attempts to fix this with bdedit, but changing the flags has always proven insufficient. There’s always a lag/hiccup when switching to the next m2ts.

UnitéD2 said:

Is it not a combination of numerous prints, in order to obtain an image as accurate and sharp as the negative ?

Yes to the first, no to the second.

You can’t do branching crawls with the software he’s using.

nightstalkerpoet said:

Look for TSMuxer 1.10.6 - Newer versions are less reliable for making compliant discs.

Really? It’s been long enough since tsmuxer was abandoned, I wouldn’t have thought an even older version could be better. Do you know what changed/broke?

But even so, the newest has worked for me with many discs, so I’m kind of skeptical that some degree of imperfect compliancy is the issue if he is trying it on multiple players.

Are there discs that have worked? Something that was in ISO form, perhaps, where there’s not much room for user error? What brand of discs are they?

jmoral14 said:

These are over 30 GB, so I assume they’re meant to be burned to dual layer Blu Ray discs. However, after muxing the MKV to a Blu Ray folder with tsMuxer and burning the BDMV to a dual layer disc, it didn’t work. Any idea how to do it?

Worked for me doing what you describe. I don’t recall any additional steps being required.

For the first question: yes, it certainly does as Luke is hanging from the bottom of Cloud City. Possibly other shots.

TheHutt said:

Possessed said:

Leftover aotc material?

Yes, the scene where Obi-Wan brings Luke to Owen & Beru was actually filmed during AOTC shooting.

Actually, I believe I read that they re-shot the characters for this shot on green screen during RoTS filming anyway. IIRC, they did it to change who was holding Luke. Could have also been for better visual continuity for Ewan, though he had his hood up, I think.

edit: I would have never guessed I was in this thread based on the topic. I must’ve just clicked it like a robot.

Seems like a reasonable enough question. People upload re-encodes and things like that from time to time. Other people delete their uploads, sometimes for silly reasons. And it’s not uploaded by “towne32” there.

confusedgambler said:

Density said:

Don’t blame the buyers who got suckered into paying for something that they shouldn’t pay for, blame the sellers.

Maybe its not wise to tell the content creator who they can or can’t blame.

I agree with him, somewhat, when it comes to the general population. But if someone is clever enough to find their way here, they should be subjected to our very reasonable standards here. Even if the person is hiding and only bugging the content creator by PM.

dark_jedi said:

OK Everyone here is another announcement,

If you paid some asshole on ebay for OUR projects PLEASE do not PM me, or anyone else on the Team for that matter for the artwork or anything else regarding our work, to me this is not very cool at all, as I have stated we have been in need of supplies for a very long time and then you fork over cash to some slimeball on ebay for our hard work then you want a freebie from us, the creators of the project? just not cool!

Thanks for your understanding

Wow. It’s hard to believe that we have members that are quite so lame.

Hopefully it’s just fools who recently registered after making their foolish eBay purchase and finding the site. A bit more frustrating if it’s people who should know better.

Edit: I’ll add that you buyers might be in a unique position to help shut the seller down. Since you actually have the product in hand, you can report then as a bootlegger with perhaps a bit more success. If you want to make up for your crappy behavior, maybe consider reporting them.

Cool. But, uh, what’s the difference between 2 and 3?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8liMRPi70I

Just sharing some good TFA ridiculousness, since it might be ~30 years until TRA. Not sure if it’s been posted on OT before, but most of the TFA threads are hell holes, so I’m sticking with this one.

Italics aside, the naivety comment was definitely a snarky one. I don’t think it went anywhere near overstepping boundaries, but it’s totally reasonable to expect a snarky response after that, without considering anything derailed. No big deal, IMO.

Edit: Oh, I guess I missed the reference or attempted reference.

jedimasterobiwan said:

towne32 said:

jedimasterobiwan said:

Has anyone tried to do what selutron was doing for superman 2 richard donner cut if so can you tell me who? Also if you can answer this as well does any know if richard donner said how he would have ended superman 2 if he could have finish it?

I don’t know what this person was doing. But as far as your second question, I remember looking into this a bit and as far as I recall it was not determined how exactly it would end, just that it would not have been this kiss or the world-spin (as of course the studio would have pushed that into the first film). I believe Donner talked about the issue a bit in the credits for his cut.

I made my own cut which had the goal of changing as little as possible from the Donner Cut, except to remove obvious 21st century technology and a couple other things. Many, many people have tried to make the best cut out of the two versions. And I think all those projects are great. But if I’m going to watch a cut, it’ll generally be the Lester cut I grew up with. The goal for my edit was just to get the Donner Cut into a form that I find watchable, but I do not try to correct the ideas for the cut itself. This means:

Removed the terrible CGI at the start. The intro logo and graphics are from the theatrical release. Poorly done rectangle prison and 3rd Rock From the Sun planets were replaced with theatrical shots. I re-did the exploding rocket with footage from Superman I, mixed with the original model rocket shot, flipping and rotoscoped over the elevator from Lester. This was an early render: http://dai.ly/x2gpj3s

Removed mismatched Clarks from the bullet scene, keeping as much dialogue as possible: http://dai.ly/x2gq2vm

Put in the Lester kiss ending instead of world-spin. No one, apparently including Donner, knows what he would have done. But it wouldn’t have been the spin if he actually finished it, and it’s not watchable with the spin, the way the first film was completed.

what selutron was doing for superman 2 the richard donner cut was fixing effects shots,fixing scenes sounds etc.

Do you have a link where the project is described? Change lists, examples, etc?

Asteroid-Man said:

sigh I’m speaking in relative terms. He joined in 2014 - this thread is from 2008. He hasn’t been around for the entire ride. In any case, if you’re going to take anything from what I wrote, don’t focus on the “be welcoming to noobs” part, but rather the “be patient and courteous” part.

I think your general point is a good one. We (certainly including myself) should be accommodating to new users.

But, as others have said, this user is an exception in some ways. There have been many, many, many attempts to convey a sense of what forum etiquette should be to him (to be clear: not begging, demanding, or harassing because you think you’ve found someone who can make a thing you want to have but do not want to be involved in making). Quite a few times, this has been very polite. Other times, less so. The user will apologize and ask or demand something in the same response post, clearly missing the message.

After quite a few of these conversations, I think it’s the consensus here that the guy isn’t a troll. He may be on the autistic spectrum or have something else going on. We’ve worked out that it’s not just a matter of being extremely young. So, there’s no reason to be rude to him. But there is a need to be a bit strict with him, I would say. It’s certainly the case of offering an inch and taking a mile when you reach out to him about a suggestion of his, so members who aren’t familiar with him should be informed that considering his suggestions/demands/questions may lead to months of daily messages as he might think you will be the one to grant him some great favors.

It can be difficult to determine who is intentionally trolling a forum like this, since there are people with special needs, etc, who are welcome to be members of the community. When there are users (like “Dat”, for instance) who intentionally exploit that kind of patience, it can be certainly be tempting to just respond rudely. In the case of JMO, I really don’t think it’s intentional in any way. It is, however, enormously persistent to the point that giving a genuine response can unfortunately (for everyone) backfire quite a bit.

I was a bit sleepy when I wrote that response. I guess I just assumed I was talking to someone who wanted to get the unique SSE audio tracks running with the 2.7 video, because that’s kind of something that makes sense. And my point was just that imperfectly matched run times of video and audio streams are fine, so no need to mess with 2.7’s video.

But it was indeed about using 2.7’s audio with SSE, which is of course more fitting with this thread but a more confusing idea. In that case, trimming the video is unnecessary for the reason I already mentioned, and the fact that you’re not interested in the video anyway. But you also wouldn’t have needed to trim the audio as it didn’t even extend to those 30 seconds.

It sounds like worked despite the extra trimming step, but it would have been fine using tsmuxer alone. I’m not sure how the trimming was done, but hopefully the audio wasn’t re-encoded or anything during the process.

Right. What you’re describing is exactly the benefit of what we call GOUT sync. However, I would say you do not need to trim the video (in fact, please don’t. Harmy and I put it there for a reason). Even in our releases none of the audio covers that 30 seconds and the tracks all have varying lengths, especially the commentary I believe. Vlc will show wonky run times if you fast forward to the last 30 seconds, but otherwise it’s not a problem.

If you do decide you want to trim the credits. I believe I can safely speak for harmy (and certainly myself 😛) when I say please just keep it for yourself instead of complicating things by distributing the unnecessarily altered version. 😃

jedimasterobiwan said:

Has anyone tried to do what selutron was doing for superman 2 richard donner cut if so can you tell me who? Also if you can answer this as well does any know if richard donner said how he would have ended superman 2 if he could have finish it?

I don’t know what this person was doing. But as far as your second question, I remember looking into this a bit and as far as I recall it was not determined how exactly it would end, just that it would not have been this kiss or the world-spin (as of course the studio would have pushed that into the first film). I believe Donner talked about the issue a bit in the credits for his cut.

I made my own cut which had the goal of changing as little as possible from the Donner Cut, except to remove obvious 21st century technology and a couple other things. Many, many people have tried to make the best cut out of the two versions. And I think all those projects are great. But if I’m going to watch a cut, it’ll generally be the Lester cut I grew up with. The goal for my edit was just to get the Donner Cut into a form that I find watchable, but I do not try to correct the ideas for the cut itself. This means:

Removed the terrible CGI at the start. The intro logo and graphics are from the theatrical release. Poorly done rectangle prison and 3rd Rock From the Sun planets were replaced with theatrical shots. I re-did the exploding rocket with footage from Superman I, mixed with the original model rocket shot, flipping and rotoscoped over the elevator from Lester. This was an early render: http://dai.ly/x2gpj3s

Removed mismatched Clarks from the bullet scene, keeping as much dialogue as possible: http://dai.ly/x2gq2vm

Put in the Lester kiss ending instead of world-spin. No one, apparently including Donner, knows what he would have done. But it wouldn’t have been the spin if he actually finished it, and it’s not watchable with the spin, the way the first film was completed.

Sorry to hear that, Hal. Well if there’s any errors you spotted too late, I guess those can also be fixed.

Maybe we can talk about how to get your video streams to be properly blu-ray compliant in the new release as well. Even the quick and dirty muxing fix we’ve been doing isn’t a real solution, as discs don’t work in some players, including PS4s.