towne32

gleamian said:

TV’s Frink said:

gleamian said:

Aw, screw it. This is gonna take too much time outta my leave time from the Navy. Thanks everyone, anyway. I sure was hoping somebody would be nice enough to send me a copy of the Despecialized trilogy. Oh, well. I guess my kids will have to grow up with the shitty versions instead. Lol

Oh sure now I’ll send you them.

Reported.

You’ve got a really nasty attitude for a brand new member. Nobody here owes you anything, and no one wants to mail you blu-rays even if you’re too busy to burn them yourself. Please either figure things out for yourself, be patient, or go away.

There are so many example of new members being thoughtful, grateful, creative, patient, or understanding. And (especially recently) an insane amount of examples of current or older members being nice (nicer than required by a long shot) and hooking people up with invites and such. Hell, a myspleen invite thread was just reopened despite that being pretty much declared a horrible idea by myspleen itself. There’s no shortage of kindness going on on OT, certainly. And that’s not even to mention the people who actually matter here, the ones that actually make these things.

Throwing a hissy fit because no one wants to burn and mail you physical copies is well outside the realm of any of the aforementioned kindness.

m4x1m0 said:

towne32 said:

m4x1m0 said:

Hi dudes…i found an error on the Spanish Castilian audio.

in 1:16:42 to 1:19:47 the spanish audio it’s not castilian, it’s Latin from Latinamerica.

In Spain, this fragment of the film was dub on castilian.

Are you listening to 2.5 or 2.7?

2.5 i see

I should have included the fixed audio (thanks to Catbus) in 2.7.

m4x1m0 said:

Hi dudes…i found an error on the Spanish Castilian audio.

in 1:16:42 to 1:19:47 the spanish audio it’s not castilian, it’s Latin from Latinamerica.

In Spain, this fragment of the film was dub on castilian.

Are you listening to 2.5 or 2.7?

TV’s Frink said:

Is it? I’m seeing a 500 Internal Server Error.

I got that and then refreshed and it was fine. Not just cached, as the search function is working.

Their servers generally seem to be a little rocky. Although, compared to myspleen, they’re pretty much as reliable as Google.

tomalakis said:

hello, my first post here. i was unable to find search function on this forum so maybe this doesnt exactly belong here. i have a question regarding dubbing versions. i am from czech republic and i always enjoyed our second vhs dubbing - it has many errors from translation, even some mismatches between characters, but it is wonderfully performed. i believe it was done for 1997 special edition so i understand why did you pick the previous version. however, does anybody know if there is a plan to add this dubb version too? i think i am not the only person from czech republic which would appreciate that, becouse this dubb version is very popular. i even have very good sounding cut of this dubb for gout (someone did it wonderfully before) but my video editing skills are very limited so i would be willing to share it.

The newer versions of Star Wars and Jedi certainly contain a number of international SE dubs that have been re-cut to fit the original films. If Harmy doesn’t already have the Czech dub you’re talking about, I’m sure he would be happy to include it. Catbus might be the best person to consult on international dubs. So maybe send him a message to see if yours is something that is already in the collection or if it’s of better or worse quality. However, I expect that if someone has already re-cut it to GOUT sync, he and Harmy either have it or even made it. 😃

jcwillia1 said:

TheQuazz said:

What about: Don’t change the movies at all!

I certainly understand that point of view but for a Science Fiction film, certain scenes in the movie look really bad 40 years on. When the X-Wings split their S-foils approaching the Death Star in Star Wars, it looks almost comical.

https://vimeo.com/123533858#t=218s This shot?

I certainly think the GOUT version that we’re probably all used to seeing shows its age. A proper 4K restoration should look pretty damn good for its age. Not perfect, but all things age (including CGI done in 1997). Watching it loop on Mike’s video, the Death Star is probably the weakest part, but still fine and consistent enough with the many other times its shown in all versions of the film. The closest X-wings, where the eye is drawn to, look great in the restored version.

stealthboy said:

It is my goal to make a custom case for all of these discs. I have seen a few custom projects and am inspired. Is there a place where people share artwork source files like high-res logos and fonts? I have a library of source imagery myself, and would like to contribute.

I plan to do a ten disc set (I can’t do 50GB discs), with perhaps three 3-disc cases and one 1-disc case, or just ten 1-disc cases. Haven’t decided on that yet.

There’s a whole separate subforum dedicated to covers and labels. I’m pretty sure there are threads for resources like you are after as well. http://originaltrilogy.com/discussion/DVD-Covers-Disc-Labels-and-Other-Fan-Artwork/id/20

Keep in mind that not all blu-ray players support AVCHD. So, make sure that yours does!

Edit: Also, you seem to keep using AVCHD and blu-ray interchangeably. Which is it that you’re trying to burn? A DVD9, or a BD25?

Indeed. It seems like it’s simply a mistake in this case. Adding and removing Luke/The Emperor’s scream from ESB is a much better example of his indecisiveness.

Sounds like it’s more of an issue with your ‘unarchiver’ program. Have you tried winrar? I think there’s a mac version, but you shouldn’t need to bother (see below).

ISOs are really made to be mounted or burnt, not used as zip or rar files. Of course, you can extract the files from them as well and play them however suits you. And if you can mount the image and copy the folders out, that is effectively the exact same thing as directly extracting. But for whatever reason your Unarchiver program is struggling. If you can get the files out, you don’t need to worry.

As for eventually burning to blu-ray, well, you’ll probably want the full sized MKVs then. The AVCHDs are specifically meant to burn to DVD9s (to then play in a blu-ray player, as essentially a small version of a blu-ray disc).

Finally, no, 2.7 did not have an ISO image (ISOs aren’t really folders, just to clarify. That may just be how they’re represented on your Mac). I made that particular one, and used plain files instead of a DVD image. Shouldn’t really make any difference.

Alderaan said:

towne32 said:

VLC will play them fine.

MKVs won’t import into premiere, but the x264 video track inside them will. Therefore, if you convert to another container (like mp4 or .ts), or demultiplex with something like TsMuxer and import the video stream itself, it will be fine.

Thanks towne, appreciate it!

Any recommendations for download links with low spam/bundles?

Whenever I am looking for video related software, or recommendations for apps on the subject, I google “videohelp” along with it. So, “Tsmuxer GUI videohelp”. Their forum and download links are no-nonsense, and will point you to the ideal or most affordable/free option. I always find that searching for even simple conversion tools, of which a million free options exist, without including a reliable resource like videohelp will only give endless search results of terrible and overpriced tools (probably riddled with malware), fake reviews for them that are obviously advertisements, etc.

Faithwyn said:

VLC will play a AVCHD file, but first you need one very handy free App: "Daemon Tools Lite"
Use DT to create a Virtual Drive then “mount” the AVCHD.ISO. It will appear as a new
DVD or BD drive on your PC. On mine I could not simply play this virtual disc with VLC
I have to RT. click on the new drive choose “open” then play the “BDMV” folder inside.
I do have another player that will play as soon as it’s mounted, just as if I’d put a
retail DVD in a drive, but I like VLC a lot more! This works great with any other .ISO
you are not yet ready to burn!

Alternatively, you can open the iso in most unzipping type programs (winrar, 7zip), navigate to the BDMV/Stream folder and just play the m2ts file. 2.7 might have been plain files (i.e., just a BDMV folder - I recall a bunch of people on Harmy’s facebook page having their minds blown wide open by the concept). So, in that case, simply navigating to the m2ts file again will work.

Alderaan said:

Everything is great now with Star Wars and I’ve moved onto Empire Strikes Back.

I downloaded the AVCHD file but didn’t have any DVD-DLs, so until I get to the store and buy some, I tried downloading the .MKV file. Did that successfully, but what programs are now recommended to play .MKV files? I’m not familiar with them.

Also, will these import into popular editing suites like Premiere Pro or Final Cut? Thanks.

VLC will play them fine.

MKVs won’t import into premiere, but the x264 video track inside them will. Therefore, if you convert to another container (like mp4 or .ts), or demultiplex with something like TsMuxer and import the video stream itself, it will be fine.

rnranimal1 said:

towne32 said:

rnranimal1 said:

Is the Leia hologram new for 2.7?

Nope.

Do you know how far back this version of the scene was used?

https://get.google.com/albumarchive/109609428403596349302/album/AF1QipNX-GL1jn5A8XUtAsHe_fVioOTw8dxc1amgnML4/AF1QipM39MaIRnHpUea0em0oYlesv1t2kJgqDiYGyAkd

https://get.google.com/albumarchive/109609428403596349302/album/AF1QipNX-GL1jn5A8XUtAsHe_fVioOTw8dxc1amgnML4/AF1QipNtm-LV-QLSwcsNyhAbitngwa-QtXPaKiqZ1DhO

The Leia shots were pretty much all done for 2.0 as far as I know. 1.0 simply used the blu-ray footage. I didn’t upgrade any of them for 2.7. And in the first hologram scene, I didn’t end up changing anything at all, even color-wise. The color would have been changed in Obiwan’s hut, which pretty much had shot by shot color adjustments (with varying levels of success).

The timestamps you’ve used are definitely the ideal way to represent which shots you’re asking about. However, it can also be helpful to include screenshots to quickly demonstrate which shots you’re discussing. If you’re asking about some specific tearing or compositing issues, a screenshot perhaps with the area highlighted could help explain what you’re talking about.

The point is most likely moot, as the next time this is upgraded (3.0), Harmy won’t be using GOUT sources. So these shots will either be taken from 35mm entirely, or re-rotoscoped, using 35mm instead of GOUT.

rnranimal1 said:

Is the Leia hologram new for 2.7?

Nope.

Merry Xmas, kk.

Thanks for taking some of that feedback to heart. Your color does look to be improved here!

Did you use Silver Screen 1.6? It has better color, cleanup, bitrate, and degraining (for matching to BD) compared to 1.0. I only mention this because I wish I could’ve used it for Despecialized 2.7 😉

Thanks!

There was definitely an enormous spike for TFA.

Harmy said:

Well, the ANH crawl version was released in theaters in 1981.

It’s not a theatrical reconstruction though, because the ANH version just had the SE crawl, color corrected.

The 2.6 release had an ANH alternative version that caught a lot of “shit talk” for not having the star positioning of 1981, despite being clearly described as a non preservation alternative, just for fun and by special request.

For this reason, and to avoid any confusion or people accidentally downloading it instead of SW, there was no real release of an ANH version of 2.7. A few people were given a link, but I don’t even think I have it now. One person, of course, made a DVD version from that. 😃

But yes, the majority of people who said anything about it, as above, spoke out against it for not being the 1977 version. The others spoke about it for not being 1981 accurate, which of course is true. 2 or 3 people, I think, wanted it despite this.

What brand of BD-R was it?

Alderaan said:

towne32 said:
Yes. And then in 1981, they made the first of many changes to Star Wars by renaming it A New Hope.

Technically, that wasn’t the first change, but I think it’s the first change most anyone really ever cares about.

Well, I’m wasn’t considering audio differences between different versions of the film released in 1977 “changes”. Just differences. Or did you have something else in mind?

The crawl is the first case of clear revisionism in Star Wars, I would say.

Molly said:

Having an HD scan of 97SE ESB would be really helpful for a despecialization of ESB, just to have chimp-woman in HD.

I think there are probably quite a few scans of the chimp woman in HD at this point. Recently, with decent color, too. But, it’s possible that a 97 print might have much less damage present.

pittrek said:

towne32 said:

Wazzles said:

Isn’t the D-Cinema version the same as the DVD?

Hard to say. The only reported change, at the time, was the hand at the end. Not clear if Padme’s ‘to be angry’ stuff is present or not. We don’t know about the deleted speeder either, of course, because no one would have noticed a silly change like that.

The “are you okay? yes” awkward line was mocked quite a bit at the time. I think it would have been noticed or mentioned somewhere if there was a version without it. It was adjusted for the DVD.

Fang Zei, you’re right about the blu-ray. They changed the shot order in that scene. But also at the end of the chase, early in the film, when they go through the power couplings. I believe they also added Anakin’s mom’s voice into his nightmare, or something like that.

Also, when were the extra speeders removed in the scene where OB1 catches the lightsaber? Was it a DCP change or a DVD change?

Right, that’s the one that is really impossible to know. Only through obsessive comparing to a cam recording did anyone even spot this little change. So, no one in the theater would have ever noticed a difference. Rick McCallum stated that there are many visual changes in the DCP version. Of course, McCallum was a well trained liar, so who knows? However, it is possible that it, as a purely visual change that does not impact the locked off run time, was changed for the DCP just like the hand. They may have thought too many speeders makes the lightsaber trickier to see or something strange like that.

It’s possible that these strictly visual changes existed between the film and DCP, while the audio changes and scene extension didn’t happen until DVD.

I would have also considered it possible that the DVD and DCP are identical. Unlike TPM, the DVD came out really soon after theatrical release. But if people at the time spotted the hand difference, I think they would have noticed the “to be human” change, which was relatively large. And as I said before, the “are you okay” response, simply because it was derided so much.

Wazzles said:

Isn’t the D-Cinema version the same as the DVD?

Hard to say. The only reported change, at the time, was the hand at the end. Not clear if Padme’s ‘to be angry’ stuff is present or not. We don’t know about the deleted speeder either, of course, because no one would have noticed a silly change like that.

The “are you okay? yes” awkward line was mocked quite a bit at the time. I think it would have been noticed or mentioned somewhere if there was a version without it. It was adjusted for the DVD.

Fang Zei, you’re right about the blu-ray. They changed the shot order in that scene. But also at the end of the chase, early in the film, when they go through the power couplings. I believe they also added Anakin’s mom’s voice into his nightmare, or something like that.

solkap said:

saleri6251 said:

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Whenever I see a " " or “.” only message, I imagine it sounds like a frustrated R2D2 beep-boop.

Then I imagine C3PO piping up and saying “Well, really R2, if you weren’t always in such a hurry, you wouldn’t have to edit so many embarrassing markdown syntax posts!”

😄

When I see this, I always scroll down and read the full Markdown Syntax caption. It’s what they intended to say, before having second thoughts and editing the post!

BadCane said:

towne32 said:

IllmaticFilmAddict said:

BadCane said:

Sorry for my noobish post, I’m new to this forum. I could not find download links in the first page. Where can I find it?

Same here. Sorry, not trying to be annoying or step on toes if there’s a secret legality loophole with finding links, but I finally talked my wife into watching the trilogy with me and I’d love to have these downloaded so I can show her before we see Rogue One this weekend.

This is a thread for the blu-rays, which don’t seem to be as widely available. Instructions for finding Harmy’s versions, which are on said blu-rays, can be found in his threads or his Facebook page. Perhaps a better bet if you’re in a time squeeze.

Off topic, but the first film is all you really need to show her before R1. 😃

Thanks for the info. I already have all the latest Harmy MKV releases. I’m planning to make my own customized box, so I must redownload it as DVD or DVD9, and then burn them on discs, right? Whats the best way to do it quality-wise?

The reply was really geared towards the other poster who wanted to see it by this weekend and therefore didn’t need documentaries on a disc, etc.

But if you have the MKV, you can convert it to blu-ray without re-encoding. Just use tsmuxer (gui). It won’t have a menu or anything, but neither would a DVD9 version.

If you only have a DVD burner, yes, you’ll need the DVD9 (AVCHD) download, and a blu-ray player that is compatible with AVCHD.

IllmaticFilmAddict said:

BadCane said:

Sorry for my noobish post, I’m new to this forum. I could not find download links in the first page. Where can I find it?

Same here. Sorry, not trying to be annoying or step on toes if there’s a secret legality loophole with finding links, but I finally talked my wife into watching the trilogy with me and I’d love to have these downloaded so I can show her before we see Rogue One this weekend.

This is a thread for the blu-rays, which don’t seem to be as widely available. Instructions for finding Harmy’s versions, which are on said blu-rays, can be found in his threads or his Facebook page. Perhaps a better bet if you’re in a time squeeze.

Off topic, but the first film is all you really need to show her before R1. 😃