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jedimasterobiwan said:

TV’s Frink said:

jedimasterobiwan said:

doubleofive said:

Jackpumpkinhead said:

adywan said:

jedimasterobiwan said:
were you able to get the wampa to work?

yes, the wampa is now working.

as a gardener. 😉

anathema said:

On a slightly more related note: it’s hard to get an idea of scale from the photos - how large was the hangar model?

9ft L x 6ft W x 3-4ft H. It was made 1/72 scale

Holy Crap! Is this for real?! That Wampa looks sick. I can’t wait to see it in action.

That’s… no. That’s not the Wampa.

Hey grammar police he made an error oh i know let’s attack him.

Good god.

You do it to me all the time what makes other people so special.

There should be a question mark at the end of that sentence.

And since it’s a question, here’s a relevant link: http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1042240

jedimasterobiwan said:

Dat_SW_Guy said:

Jedi’s back at it again.

What did i do wrong now? I was just asking a question you don’t have to be a big jerk to me about it sheesh.

http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1042240

John Doom said:

Shouldn’t we be grateful for their (his?) restoration efforts, though…? (Am I missing something?)

Plenty of people admire the work itself, which is another matter. Even when it comes to that, though, there are other members on the team that made far better decisions in my opinion. I have tons of respect for members (or former members or whatever) of the team.

The team account was specifically told he needs to limit his comments to threads related to the restoration work itself instead of making up mysterious inside info in other places. They repeatedly broke the rule and team accounts (as a whole) got banned. His original account, negative1, is still active and unbanned. Instead of using it he is making sock accounts, which is against the rules.

doubleofive said:

lurker77 said:

rogue1-77 said:

The grain removal tests are decent. There are also black and white test shots too.

Some seem a little too scrubbed though. Also, note the color correction is not
that consistent.

The stories of a personal Technicolor reference for Star Wars, is actually the
same one from a private individual who lent it to Lucasfilm, since they didn’t
have one available at the time. This print is the one that has been scanned
and is the basis for current fan restorations in 4k.

R1

This is a confusing post, especially for those who haven’t been following this thread (such as myself).

1. You have posted some stills. Where did you get them? What are we seeing in them? Are they downrezzed from a higher quality source? If so, what is this source, have you seen said source in full, and do you still have access to it?

2. Do we know what kind of source the clips in the Vimeo link are from? Same source as rogue1’s stills?

3. Are these clips/stills WIP or finished?

4. Are you saying that a Technicolor dye-transfer print was scanned for restoration? If so, by whom? If it was by an official entity, they would be acting stupid, as IB prints are ill suited to proper restorations due to high contrast, and should only be used for rough colour checks (sayeth Robert A. Harris).

5. What 4K fan restorations are there? Are you talking about Mike Verta’s hyped-up-but-not-for-public-consumption restoration?

CONTEXT, PEOPLE!

Every negative1 post is confusing and assumes you know things even they don’t know.

This is why the Team Account was a strategy of his to add some weight to his arguments. By making it seem like there was some sort of consensus to some of the crazy claims he would make, it gave the appearance of adding some weight.

TV’s Frink said:

So he won’t admit the fact that he’s using yet another account despite the fact that it’s obvious to everyone, and he’s also repeating stuff from three years ago already posted on page 2 of this thread…

I’m so glad he’s back. And so glad he hasn’t changed a bit.

rogue1-77 said:

I can’t confirm the Star Wars clips are from the SE, since they don’t contain those scenes,
however in most likely scenarios, they are in my opinion.

I will post some other shots from them, and more from the ESB clips.

They aren’t publicly available in the higher bitrates, and are scaled down to 1080p.

R1

Best series

of accounts

ever.

rogue1-77 said:

Celebration, and GMA talk here:
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Celebration-2017-Speculation/id/54702/page/6#1064412

The frame captures are taken from some of the samples used to show other industry insiders when the restoration was being done.

Tests were made on Star Wars, and The Empire Strikes Back. Yes, the clips are higher quality than the Vimeo ones.

R1

Time for a new account?

doubleofive said:

Bringing up people’s boners tends to overwhelm whatever the post was actually about.

There have been a lot of ups and downs in this thread.

yotsuya said:

There is plenty of evidence that these changes happened during release and the DVD/BR is 100% faithful to one of the releases. I found multiple audio streams in the camera prints and all these changes can be found at that point.

Just to be clear, you’re saying that the issue is variability in the theatrical run?

Are you really calling TFA’s home video release “butchered”?

Was there ever a definitive list of things changed? Aside from people being incorrect about the flags, I mostly remember discussion of the length of the credits (probably the score you mention). However, at the time I’m not sure that there were cams with intact credits.

monkeyjb1988 said:

nickyd47 said:

mutantchair said:

nickyd47 said:

mutantchair said:

Fang Zei said:

Quick side question:

I’m just throwing this out there for anyone who might have the answer, but do we know exactly why Fox loses the rights to the other five movies in 2020 as opposed to some other time?

Just to clarify, I’m not asking for an explanation of why they’re losing the rights. That much has been made clear. I’m just wondering why it’s happening in 2020 and not some other time. I’m also curious how we were able to figure this out in the first place. There was an article written on some website shortly after the Disney deal that gave the 2020 date, but I don’t think it was ever explained how the writer knew it was 2020.

This article in the Hollywood reporter is the main source for the 2020 date, which is a solid source for industry reporting. A “fox insider” was apparently interviewed for the article.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/tangled-rights-could-tie-up-384541

It’s also worth remembering that Disney has digital distribution rights to all but ANH.

So what? They have to give Fox money every time a digital copy of the Special Edition of a New Hope sells.
What would waiting till 2020 change? Nothing. They’ll have to give Fox money for every sale of Star Wars, Special Edition
or not.

Actually, Disney can’t sell ANH digital copies at all. You can’t buy ANH on the Disney Movies Anywhere platform.

Right, I have forgotten about this. Still, Disney has nothing to wait for, as Fox owns Star Wars forever, correct?

True, but I can totally see their reasoning to wait until 2020 so they have to pay Fox for ONLY A New Hope. 2020 means they can release the other 5 with impunity, so they may be waiting to minimize payments to Fox.

Right. Waiting would really have nothing to do with ANH and all to do with the others. If they are pursuing this at all, SW/ANH could indeed come before 2020 if they were staggering the individual movie releases prior to releasing a box set (to encourage double dipping, something I could absolutely see them doing either way).

Fang Zei said:

I don’t see why Disney would even have it listed on their slate (even cryptically like that). Fox owns the original movie in perpetuity. I think Disney would want to focus on stuff that’s 100% theirs.

Fox owns the distribution rights, not the film. I have no idea how big of a slice that cuts from Disney. But if it’s something that cannot be changed, and profits can be generated from the property despite the distribution rights, I do not see why they would not pursue that. Obviously, the films with expiring distribution rights make more sense to wait on.

SilverWook said:

Some alleged leaked footage has appeared on Youtube, but the fact Disney hasn’t squashed it yet, makes me doubt it’s authenticity.
Don’t click if you don’t want to see!
https://youtu.be/DcPGDVaCnzg

Duplicate link just in case it does go down.
https://youtu.be/dEsCQ1ihIIk

That shot of Adam looks extremely fake.

Vader21 said:

towne32 said:

Welcome to the forum! Just to sort of help you get a handle on the nomenclature around here, GOUT specifically describes the laserdisc master released as a bonus disc in 2006. As far as I know, the only versions are PAL and NTSC ones of the trilogy.

As far as what you’re getting at (fan made versions of the OT), if you’re including multiple versions of TN1’s, I guess you would include multiple versions of Harmy’s (or not the former).

The RoTJ Grindhouse is a Harmy release, not TN1. Yes, just the one.

There are the Dark Jedi restorations of the GOUT discs (I believe 1.0 - 3.0 of the whole trilogy, and the Team Blu release of SW). There are many laserdisc captures and probably some more things I’m not thinking of.

Hey dude, thanks for the reply I can not beleive how many versions are out there.!! at this point does anyone care anymore about a genuine release of the original trilogy…?

Yeah, people care. There are two or three pretty active threads here about it.

Personally, I think it would be important just as a sign of respect to the films as well as the many fans of the original trilogy, pre-SE. There are a lot of people, even here, who think it’s only a fringe group of a few hundred or thousand who want the original films back. But I think there are many more than that, among the fans of Star Wars who are not necessarily die hard fans who spend all day on theforce.net or r/starwars (these groups strongly supported George over the years, and evolved to do a good job of silencing dissent). On popular media sites and social media, I’ve never seen an article posted about the first three films, where half of the comments weren’t somehow related to the unaltered versions. And I don’t think that’s coming from us, here…

Of course, there’s always the chance that, if they did release the unaltered trilogy, they could do a great job with it. If not (perhaps quite likely), it will still be an amazing resource for fan edits that further refine the attempt.

Welcome to the forum! Just to sort of help you get a handle on the nomenclature around here, GOUT specifically describes the laserdisc master released as a bonus disc in 2006. As far as I know, the only versions are PAL and NTSC ones of the trilogy.

As far as what you’re getting at (fan made versions of the OT), if you’re including multiple versions of TN1’s, I guess you would include multiple versions of Harmy’s (or not the former).

The RoTJ Grindhouse is a Harmy release, not TN1. Yes, just the one.

There are the Dark Jedi restorations of the GOUT discs (I believe 1.0 - 3.0 of the whole trilogy, and the Team Blu release of SW). There are many laserdisc captures and probably some more things I’m not thinking of.

1.0 rotoscoped the eyebrows on. They were low res and drifted a bit. I believe harmy rotoscoped all of Anakin this time. It’s very stable compared to 1.0. The eyebrows themselves are not separate elements now, so there’s really no comparison.

jedimasterobiwan said:

Wow i should have known yelled at again. 😦

Yes. You should have. You should have known this due to the owner of originaltrilogy telling you that you would be banned if you continued in this thread. That should have been a hint.

Tobar said:

The Carrie stuff is non-news. We’ve known she finished all of her shooting for VIII before she passed.

Now that bit about the Han Solo movie…very interesting.

There were concerns that VIII could be modified to deal with her absence in IX. Though we’ve known that they won’t CGI her for some time now, it was not clear if the plot would be modified, or if scenes from VIII could get moved to IX. It’s not non-news.

oojason said:

Disney chief addresses Carrie Fisher’s death as it pertains to ‘Star Wars: The Last Jedi’:-

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/disney-ceo-bob-iger-teases-15-years-star/story?id=46333671

Good. No idea what they’ll do for IX, but I’m glad that VIII will be intact.

Highest quality versions would be the SD broadcast rips, I believe?

chyron8472 said:

Blackout said:

chyron8472 said:

I think DeEd v2+ is already GOUT free.

Star Wars still has some GOUT.

Are you sure? I thought he replaced it all with TN1 scans at least by v2.5.
And the scene that was intentionally left GOUT I think is in Return of the Jedi. Like the shot where Boba Fett flies across the screen before smashing into the barge or something like that.

All of the SW releases still have plenty of GOUT. TN1 did not have any kind of full release like they do now, when Harmy did 2.5. Much of his 35mm work in that film is from selections of frames, as I understand it. He does have some 35mm sequences, as you see in Mos Eisley. For 2.7, I did replace much of the longer GOUT sequences with TN1’s. But there are still plenty left, especially in the Battle of Yavin. Pretty much anything of Harmy’s that contained composited GOUT material, and not whole shots of GOUT, would remain as well.

You’re right about Jedi 2.5, and I believe the same is the plan for ESB 2.5. There just wasn’t the same material available for SW 2.5.

I would use rars less than 4gb (or is it 6) on mega due to their newer caps. There are ways around that, but separate files makes things simpler.

chyron8472 said:

Fang Zei said:

chyron8472 said:

jedimasterobiwan said:

I hope it doesn’t make all the star wars fan edits not be available anymore. 😦

George Lucas himself had long since known about fan edits. When asked about it in an interview, he said, while bitter about people doing it, he just cared that he had his version with his name on it (the article in question was actually about SW:Revisited).

Disney has had more than enough opportunity now to drop the hammer down on fan projects, but they haven’t. I was just saying, and I stress hypothetically, that making it too easy can bring it more mainstream, which has the hypothetical capacity to annoy them into action.

I also doubt a small handful of third party sellers on eBay are on Disney’s radar.

Disney hasn’t dropped the hammer because they realize they have no one but themselves to blame for Harmy’s efforts over the last four years even being necessary.

Actually, Fox owns permanent distribution rights of A New Hope (or “Star Wars”, actually). George sold it to them, so long as he had full rights of any merchadising and control over any sequels, in exchange for Fox’s agreement to produce the first film. That means if Disney is to officially release a pre-SE A New Hope, they have to agree to buy or lease distribution of it from Fox.

Yeah, good luck with that.

While all that is true, I don’t think there is any reason to assume that it is actually a hurdle. Anyway, this has been discussed endlessly in other threads.

So there is not currently an SE Jedi listing on Amazon digital? Meaning, this is indeed a mistaken mislabeling of the SE (and if you bought it, you would get the SE), but perhaps still indicative given that such information really has no business even being on Amazon’s servers?

edit: People are saying the run time listed is the theatrical one (2hr 14min). Isn’t that the SE time? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086190/technical

TV’s Frink said:

Editroid said:

Someone mentioned how obvious they felt the rotoscoping in Star Wars Despecialized 2.5 is, that the opening crawl wobbles and then speeds up weirdly at the end, and wishes the picture quality was more consistent.

“Someone”

Lol.

Well, someone once said Editroid is not incorrect that someone mentioned it.