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DrDre said:

I'm afraid the filter settings I'm using now can't handle R2. It's meant for the kind of aliasing like in this example (C3PO's chest and arm):

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/127763

There is halo filter in place that reduces it to GOUT levels. Stronger settings destroy the detail.

There's no GOUT trilogy upscale I'm aware of. I'm planning to do them all in the next months, and Team Blu should start on TESB soon I believe.

 The halos have been looking pretty decent for several iterations. The new settings don't break that at all, do they? edit: the vader choke frame does indeed look like it has enhanced/sharpened haloing in v9. At least by this comparison. 

The vader choke frame that you've uploaded seems to have some halo-ing, but I swear it didn't look bad in motion in your last mkv (I think). 

Really great new samples.

Wow, the first Rancor clip was removed due to copyright violation. Assuming it was properly set to private, it seems we have a member/guest who likes to press the report button.

pittrek said:

OK, I seriously don't understand this.

You claim that the version you're sharing is a raw capture, without any color correction, but still you say it has "slight" blue tint.

On the previous page you posted before and after pics from (I guess) this version, the top version has no blue tint visible, the bottom version has HORRIBLE blue tint.

So I'm sorry but I'm totally confused - which version is which?

 I think the more normal working one is their grindhouse that they've recently uploaded? And the horrible version is a WIP that for some reason is called the color corrected but we shouldn't worry because 'all colors are temporary' etc.

ilovewaterslides said:

I've noticed on the Super 8 topic and on your last corrected 35mm scans that you also have some bluish clips. Is it a strange coincidence or do you maybe have a badly calibrated monitor?

I don't want to sound pretentious, I just wanted to clear the things up because I thought the colours didn't look "like they should".

 I don't think you sound pretentious. I am also puzzled by -1's extremely blue samples being posted from multiple projects in the last day or so. Surely the whole team doesn't have miscalibrated monitors. Perhaps the individual doing the uploading is doing these color adjustments on a bad monitor and not running them by the team before posting?

Fantomas said:

Wow, the corrected version is awfull !
The non corrected one is better in colour !
Is it a joke or what ?

 Perhaps they mixed up which sample was the top/bottom image. Otherwise, it seems 'it blue itself'.

clutchins said:

Is there no reason to use the 2011 Blu-ray? I was under the impression that it was your base video for all three films.

Also are you going to add any commentary tracks? That's what I was hoping to hear really when I asked about audio.

 I think the Blu ray just goes without saying. His samples he has posted online so far have been based on the Blu ray and the 35mm scan.

And I think the commentary audio is also considered standard for his v2.x releases, right?

It's me. TV's Frank. From across the hall.

Enjoy!

DrDre said:

Is rudeness a common feature among (former) gurus on this forum? 

It's just common on forums. 

How is the work progressing, Mike?

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

DrDre said:

The newest versions of MagicUp look like a big step up from their previous incarnations. Very interested to see how it does on some other scenes. 

Me too! (^^,) I searched into my old HDD, and still not found any corresponding PAL-NTSC shot... continue the search, though, as at this moment I have problems with my capture card/driver so I can't capture anymore... (**_)

With regards to super resolution, I think that since Laserdisc generally has a somewhat lower resolution, SR will add less details than for a DVD. So, I think all things considered MagicUp V1.3 probably has the edge when in comes to upscaling Laserdisc sourced videos. 

Dunno, maybe it's due to lower resolution of the source, or the fact it's made from still frames - just the escape pod is moving; again, further tests are needed, using other clips.

Danfun128 said:

Silly question, but where can I find this MagicUp? A Google search doesn't do anything...

You'll find it nowhere... it's just my silly habit to rename almost all my avisynth function with the Magic prefix... this let me remind myself how magical this software often appears, according to its incredible results!

Asaki said:

Most impressive. I wonder how it looks in motion.

I'm not sure about the artificial film grain, though. My eyes see the sharp grain and the lower resolution picture at the same time and it doesn't feel very natural to me. Maybe if the whole thing were at SD resolution (or whatever res the original files were in) it would look better?

Maybe a coarse grain will work better... let me find some other clip, and I'll test'em both!

Zyrother said:

...is the 97 SE considered better than the 2004 SE because the color timing in the 97 SE are way better and more natural?

Yes. Definitely yes.

97 also has a lot less revisionism than the 04s (no Prequels yet). However, 97 does have a bit of motion blur going on, and some of the CGI in the 04 looks maybe 10% less ugly. Jabba in Ep IV is a good example.

Yep, 97 Jabba is awful - not that 04 is so much better...

 It's so much much better, just not good. :)

"How about just leave ours out of this and do your guys own stuff?"

Exactly.

Let's all simply stop responding to the problematic user and hope that it goes away.

zee944 said:

@ DrDre,

It's carefully chosen sample material to sell supersampling. You do everything in the book to avoid the comparsion with Team Blu's GOUT.

He asked for samples from it to compare, because he doesn't have Team Blu's release. I sent stills to him via PM, because sometimes Team Blu doesn't like their work criticized and I have a lot of respect for them.

No one had any problems in this thread until you came about, full of demands.

"Reportedly Confirmed"

lol.

That first scan looks absolutely great. Second one is not too shabby as well.

If this film somehow pushes its way back up to the top of the queue, I will certainly not complain. 

Cobra Kai said:

Of course there is money to be made.  You are underestimating the demand for these.  Afterall, we're talking about the most popular movie saga in film history. Just about every Gen-X Star Wars fan would be interested in seeing a properly restored, theatrical trilogy, and as we've seen many times before with Star Wars home video releases, a huge number of fans who already purchased the blu-ray set would double dip on a new release.  \

 Absolutely. Although I do agree with Team negative1's final remark: 

team_negative1 said:

It's not going to happen. Not in any way that would satisfy the people here.

Despite the recent attempted aggressive turn in this thread, I am impressed with everyone else maintaining their previous good natures.

Ryan McAvoy said:

Tobar said:

It's all misdirection.

They just leaked the uncensored version of the latest TFA teaser.

 Rule one of Comedy: Don't put the surprise joke in the video's title.

Apart from it was very funny and well executed.

 I don't think they made the video expecting others to use it as a joke with Jar Jar as the surprise.

zee944 said:

The result of your "superresolution" method does look better than the original GOUT, but I'm unsure if it comes from the actual superresolution part.

You guys forget (or avoid, I don't know) one important thing to do: to post comparsions between your, Team Blu's or some other denoising+sharpening method that was done with at least some effort. It's very misleading to post comparsions with a simple AviSynth resizing (one line of actual scripting?); it should be a good resizing *AND* a good sharpening to make it fair.

I'm not saying there's no improvement. There is indeed some. I'm saying there is little to gain from the "superresolution" theory and it's more about temporal denoising and sharpening. It'd be important to see where the gains are coming from, and if those are bigger than in the earlier projects.

I discussed some comparison frames from Team Blu's release with DrDre via PM. I figured it may upset some people to make this thread into a 'how is or isn't this better than Team Blu's work' thread. 

But even aside from the filters, I think Team Blu put a lot of work into cleaning up the GOUT as far as damage, glue, etc. It would be wonderful to see a collaboration with them, if they were interested, once these scripts are worked out. Especially if Blu's scripts in tandem with Dre's would produce superior results. But that might be expecting a bit too much or they might just prefer their own methods.

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

I used them together, to average out noise and bring some details; then SuperResolution extract some more details, and filters do their job; at the end, a grain plate is applied.

For the shots with subtitles in GKar, I use same frames of TB, regraded and slightly filtered, to be similar to GKar version, then both are average out - this improves details a bit more than using just TB.

 Very clever. I do hope this becomes available once complete!

Remarkable improvement. I can only imagine what the actor playing that soldier would say if he knew how much time people would one day spend staring at his eyeballs.

When you say both sources, do you mean for different shots, or somehow using them together for super resolution frames?

yoda-sama said:

And I agree that without a new version on the horizon, continually bitching about colors on SW is now bordering on beating a dead horse.  Everyone should focus their opinions on Jedi right now and after that on Empire when V2.5 (with even less GOUT and correct credits) comes into focus.  Never your minds on where we are, what we are doing, you are all reckless.

 I agree. Color looks great, and miles better than the official alternative, even if there is room for improvement.

Mildly off topic, but to include more positive notes about color: Watched ESB 2.0 again last night and in my meaningless opinion, the color is absolutely wonderful throughout. 

unamochilla2 said:

It'll be interesting to see if Kylo is seen without the mask at some point in the film.  Maybe the rumor is true about Driver being the offspring of Han and Leia.  Also, keep in mind there was a photo of Driver walking around wearing a Rebel... err... Resistance pilot outfit.

 That photo was probably taken from 100 yards away with a cell phone. It was his general build, but might not have been him.

Interesting that you think he might not appear unmasked in the film. They might just be making sure he gets his share of publicity in this stage of the promotion process?

SilverWook said:

Nice that they got Annie Leibovitz to photograph them. She did all the prequel VF shoots.

I think she may have photoshopped those ones, too:  http://www.fanpop.com/clubs/star-wars/images/29334722/title/vanity-fair-star-wars-photo

I can hardly believe Jake Lloyd and Jar Jar Binks would have agreed to be in the same room for a photo shoot!

imperialscum said:

Han's shirt is too clean.

 He's married to Leia now. I'm sure he has the detergent she used on her white outfit in the first film.