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For the SEN scene specifically?

The only color source I know with the scene is the Italian one. Does anyone actually have the German cut?

The Italian one is so badly cropped that the kids are barely in the shot. If the characters were in it fully we would be in good shape as I could color the background using other frames.

Just for fun I'll see how it looks with the Italian clip. So, cropped to 4:3 and then back again from that. It's going to be terrible. :)

thxita said:

Is the 16mm also 4:3 ratio?

 No. Though there is some image missing at the top/bottom of the scan compared to the other sources.

Well, the audio is there on the 16mm.

Alright, so I have scrapped together a 720p reconstruction of the new 16mm release (fantastic work, guys) using the blu-ray and csd79's LD cleanup (upscaled with infognition SR plugin), synced pretty much on a frame by frame basis to the 16mm. I say pretty much, because there are added and dropped frames here and there, which I've duplicated/deleted (in one case by 'rate extended' surrounding frames). But each shot start/stop at least matches the 16mm 100%, I think. I believe all shots are 'unspecialized' now. 

There is one scene that is not fully represented in the two video sources I used: when SEN talks to the kids, there is 30-60 seconds of footage where the kids are being playful and talking. It is (partially?) on the Italian cut, so I can see if I can make that screwy 4:3 footage work, but probably not. At the moment, there is a small bit of cropped 16mm footage in an otherwise color film. :P

If AntcuFaalb is okay with it (due to that footage and the soundtrack), I could send it to anyone interested in watching or giving feedback. There is still a lot of color correction to be done. Mostly un-blueing the blu-ray and matching the LD for shots that need to cut back and forth between sources a lot. Thanks to age for his SW bluray LUT. It actually works well on dark scenes that are too blue in THX.

Here is something you may be looking for.

The guy who wrote The Secret History of Star Wars also wrong a nice long article about it years ago. You'll have to dig or wait for that, though.

 https://web.archive.org/web/20130928021823/http://www.secrethistoryofstarwars.com/completehistoryofthesequeltrilogy.html

It's unfortunate that this site is no more. What happened? Did the guy just stop caring / paying for the domain?It's unfortunate that this site is no more. What happened? Did the guy just stop caring / paying for the domain?

NeverarGreat said:

Eh, at that point in AOTC I simply didn't care what was onscreen as my eyes were already bleeding from seeing Yoda bounce around as a cartoon.

 KFTFY

I think I mind the Jedi robes least of everyone on this forum. Yeah, the reason for them is wrong. But having such modest monk-like clothing for a group that is (supposed to be) divorcing themselves from their emotions is not the worst.

Mainly, I'd be concerned of what they would come up with if they decided to go all out designing Jedi uniforms. It could be much worse if they went for something like an 80's Who Gallifreyan aesthetic.

Leonardo said:

You could get one of the preservations, Gout won't look good on an HDTV anyway. Looks decent on a crt, but that won't do anymore.

If you've been reading the forum for a while you have no doubt seen there are quite a few impressive fan preservation projects, with different sources, and results. There are even a couple, IIRC, that are actually GOUT-based and look impressive considering the source.

 Yep. If you want something GOUT-based, do a Team Blu project. Their "V3" is all three original films. Still looks like the GOUT but cleaned up, anamorphic, etc. For the first film, they've got a newer Blu Ray version. Much improved image quality, though I like the color scheme a bit better for some scenes in the V3. 

Spielrock said:

 

 Hi all,

A company by the name of Lowry Digital who were responsible for the blu-ray transfers for the James Bond films, run the films through a digital film scanner that runs at a cost of about $300,000. They have over 700 terabytes of local storage and huge server farms. Not to mention the team that tackles all the footage once it has finished. I don't have much detail on how Star Wars was restored but I doubt it was anything less than this. 

Looking forward to it.

Welcome!

What's really impressive is how Lowry manages to have the output they sometimes have with such incredible resources. I watched their "Thunderball" blu-ray recently. Man, what an inconsistent restoration.

TV's Frink said:

adywan said:

team_negative1 said:

Harmy,

Can you comment on the 4k clip we sent you. You seem to be the only one that can play it at full resolution.

 Erm, are all of you sure about that? ;)

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/4K-restoration-on-Star-Wars/post/771936/#TopicPost771936

KFTFY

 KFTFY

JohnLeeHookerFanBoy said:

Harmy,

Thanks for your preservation efforts and for all who contributed.  I have the limited edition wide screen laser disc to dvd transfer editions, and had purchased many vhs versions.  I have shared those with my 2 boys.  Your despecialized edition of ESB triggered memories of yesteryear when I was 8 years old in the theater.

Of course at that time I was all skinned up when I fell off my bike going down a steep hill at a ridiculous speed.  I had lost an eyebrow, skinned up my knees, elbows, and other areas.  I was all bloodied up with road rash.  I had also had a weird nightmare the night before about an Eskimo in a recliner in an igloo with snow up to his nose and a unseen supernatural presence that I couldn't get away from.

My aunt had heard about my accident and invited me to go with her family to an afternoon showing of ESB at the cinema.  When the lights dimmed I experienced one of the greatest movies of all time.  For 2 hours gone were the thoughts of my aching body, sores and bruises. I was so immersed into the story, Yoda,  the revelation of Luke’s father, Han being frozen in carbonite.  I didn’t want the story to end and I couldn’t wait until the next chapter.

It was one of the worst and best days of my life that I will always remember.  Last night it was good to experience some of that movie magic again with your restored version.

You Rock Harmy!  Thanks for doing this.

 You should check out the RoTJ thread if you want to discuss digital eyebrow replacement technology on a pretty much weekly basis. 

Yep, the minor color glitch looks fixed. As long as its not at the cost of any v10 detail.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/128263 The red light in this one has a more noticeable change. Doesn't bother me at all, but I am beginning to wonder how the lightsabers are going to look.

TV's Frink said:

I already explained, it's "Kan't Fix That For You."

Alternately, it's "kay fixed that for you."

Or, it's "fixed that for you" with an accidental "k."

...

 I apparently completely failed at saying the exact same thing (minus kan't).

stretch009 said:

So what's the latest ETA for this?

 If he's just starting to render now, it will be at least a few days if it's going at as slow a pace as his older versions. That's assuming that a problem doesn't come up. I think it's probably been a while since the rendering process has completed the whole film?

stretch009 said:

Possessed said:

team_negative1 said:

True. I appreciate all the feedback, it does help. And I do want you to feel like you a part of this project.

Here is the completed clip:

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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/kFjgphSJeegquzbeJ4b

-later

Negative1

 KFTFY

 ????

Google didn't help this time.

 Fixed that for you. With either a typo or 'kay'?

Alright. Can we see some examples against the simple upscale GOUT to see just how far this has come?

edit: your last set was just that. Magic indeed.

DrDre said:

Actually, the ringing was much worse originally. Here's a comparison for the frame with an ancient super resolution version:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/128260

 Oh, yeah. I meant some recent in between version. But it may have been Laserdiscman's script or or the same as this or entirely imagined. I am likely only noticing it now because it's one of the fewer examples of it even existing, whereas the problem was ubiquitous earlier.

pittrek said:

Everybody looks like they ate too much carrot but otherwise than that it looks beautiful

 Well it's too bad because the colors are FINAL [/obvioussarcasm]

Image quality looks great. And the color should be well within the realm of fixable, as with most of the team's reels. 

Looks excellent.

The only artifact type thing that really stood out to me was the above the head ringing in frame 8228, which, for some reason always catches my eye. I feel like I've seen it look good in a previous version!

Text2speech saying "control plus v" to paste it (saves a syllable).

That looks great! I think the main problem, though, is that there's a bit more noise (noticeable in the second and third shots there).

team_negative1 said:

I don't think we need to put all the disclaimers on every single video we post as being works in progress.

 You don't. I don't think we all assume that the final is going to be blue and blurry. We know you're not going to release the final version until it looks right. But if you want feedback, the feedback is going to mention both the good and bad of those samples. Thanks for the continual updates, though. They are appreciated.

DrDre said:

Slim Shady, you a basehead.

 Do you think we could get a v8/v9 comparison of a frame at the 3 minute mark (soldier pointing gun at door). Would like to see the aliasing improvement, if any, in v9.

Makes sense. Just wondering if the compromise between detail and anti aliasing should fall more towards the latter for a few select moments. It really is nice being able to see the extra detail on R2's dome, but the effect is diminished when the curves have strong aliasing.

What we need  is mixing or rotoscoping the surfaces from one version with the edges of another. :P

I wonder, given that you tweak settings shot by shot now, if some of r2's closeups shouldn't have their own settings. From the scenes we've seen, he's the only aspect that is actually distracting.