Is there any clip or frame that you would say is representative of how the final version will look (color/contrast, cleanup, stabilization, everything)?
smudger9 said:
Episode II is now completed and will be submitted this week.
Looking forward to it.
Without giving too much away, if you prefer, can you give a rough idea of what parts of the series will be covered in your set of 9 movies vs. left out?
TV's Frink said:
imperialscum said:
The key to a good film is a good story and screenplay. Director is of secondary importance.
They're of equal importance.
Okay but where does the way they combed Chewbacca's hair near his eyes fit into this hierarchy of importance?
ben_danger said:
Has anyone attempted applying a modern color grading to the OT? Just out of curiosity.
Besides Lowry and George? Haven't seen any.
CatBus said:
Harmy has said at some point in this thread that ROTJ 2.0 will be GOUT-free, so while DrDre's new GOUT upscales are impressive, they are unneeded, at least for this film. Probably not needed for any films at the rate -1 is progressing.
Perhaps I'm reading the wrong posts, then. I read some fairly recent ones that said he wouldn't be completely escaping the GOUT, though its use will surely be minimal. The Dre upgrade for Jedi will less substantial than for the other films (I've actually run some tests with V10, but I wouldn't be surprised if he can further optimize things). My question is really for any of Harmy's future releases.
It's true, though, that if Team -1 finishes first, that will be a pretty solid source available. It will be a while before they get through SW and ESB, though. Not sure if Harmy will want to work with their release encodes or only their full resolution frames that they've been kindly providing him.
I agree (though only overdue in the sense that something quite similar should have been sold to us, officially, many years ago).
I am sure this one is going to look good enough to pass for an official release.
With all of the 35mm footage being used in 2.0, has there been any further thought about going 1080p this time? I've also been meaning to ask: Harmy, have you taken a look at DrDre's upscale results? Any thoughts on if you might use that for some of the must-GOUT shots?
ben831 said:
Hi, just to be sure the despecialized edition of return of the jedi is not out yet ? i just looked star wars and empire strikes back, it's awesome, you have all my respect Sir.
The first version is out. The updated one is not yet. Harmy has been very busy lately.
Hopefully it will not bug him too much to ask, infrequently: how are things coming along, Harmy?
ray_afraid said:
What the hell is this??
They have shown many aliens that look very silly and fake.
Any sign of Wolfman?
Definitely the Blu-ray for III. They've changed essentially nothing in this film, compared to the other Star Wars movies. I've seen that film on lists of "reference quality" blu-ray discs. I don't know how to qualify such a thing, and my own setup isn't good enough for something like that to matter. But the picture quality is good and they haven't messed with the color/plot/cgi/etc this time. When someone buys the "Complete Saga", this is probably the only disc they're getting that's decent. Assuming they don't hate the film. :)
TV's Frink said:
I wasn't talking about your comments, but the idea of color correcting in general. Hell, there's already a thread in the Fan Edits section where someone is talking about color correcting the TFA trailers.
I've taken the account back temporarily and am posting from a secret bunker, but I suspect the team will find me again soon. They always do.
Pray for Mojo.
True, thanks. Although my comment is currently left out of the quote chain, it did stem those other ones, so I feel a bit like I'm defending a position that isn't mine.
And yes, I just saw that thread. At least it's in the right place. Though I would have appreciated the hilarity of calling something a preservation of a film that doesn't yet exist.
TV's Frink said:
This place is full of color timing nitpicks that I just don't understand.
I completely understand when the change is as huge as the OT DVD/Bluray. It sounds like other movies such as LOTR had massive color changes as well. The War On Teal is interesting, though. It seems like people have really gotten themselves obsessed over it. It's not something I really even noticed until seeing all these posts/blogs about it. It's true, it's fairly ubiquitous these days. They'll move on to some other overused color scheme someday. As long as old films aren't being given anachronistic color, I don't really care.
It's appropriate that this is in the fan edit section, though. As should Man of Steel or any other reimaginings people may have. "Fixing" old films could be called preservations. But I think people are often pretty loose about what they're matching it to. Certainly in the case of SW/ESB, it's because of the lack of appropriate sources. So, people make it how they think looks good, or how their allegedly photographic memory remembers a theatrical showing 38 years ago, etc. That said, SW on bluray is so fucked that just about any color/contrast/saturation bar you slide around seems to improve it.
TV's Frink said:
Anchorhead said:
Jonno said:I find it troubling that the film isn't even finished yet and folks are already contemplating their own personal revisions.
Can you not enjoy the primary experience of seeing brand new Star Wars without treating it like so much raw material to be reshaped to your whim?
I agree. A great many of us have been waiting for a proper Star Wars film for decades. This film is still several months away and all we've seen are two short trailers and some behind the scenes footage. Yet there are a fair number of folks here trying to decide what they're going to "correct" first. I'm surprised by that.
Nothing surprises me here.
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/kk650s-Miscellaneous-Regraded-Films/post/771537/#TopicPost771537
I'll stick with the original, thanks.
I clarified what I was trying to say. So you can be un-nonsurprised now. Has your team disbanded?
unamochilla2 said:
Have they shown us everyone in costume (aside from some non-humans) expect Hamill? I'm starting to get the feeling Leia and Luke won't have much screen time in this one. I'm hoping at least Luke will have more than a cameo. Seems like Solo and Chewie will get the most screen time out of the OT cast.
They haven't shown us Hux, have they? Only an unofficial image?
Edit
Jonno said:
towne32 said: Oh well, I assume plenty of people around these parts will be doing their own fan color corrections of it no matter what. It would be amazing if the film itself ends up being good enough that we (mostly) all prefer watching it without editing scenes/plot/etc.
I find it troubling that the film isn't even finished yet and folks are already contemplating their own personal revisions.
Can you not enjoy the primary experience of seeing brand new Star Wars without treating it like so much raw material to be reshaped to your whim?
I think you misunderstand my post. I am very much looking forward to watching the new film. Probably many times in the theater and on Bluray. And I really don't mean to comment on specifics that 'I think' should be modified. There is nothing that I think should be modified, yet, as I haven't seen the film. Modern day color timing seems like will inevitably upset a few here, but I doubt many of us are going to walk out of the theater in December with fanedit hopes and dreams.
I was pointing out that it's interesting that this film will inevitably be added to the list of things that people around here modify. And in whatever regards that the film does let people down (this is a fan site on the internet, those people *will* exist), it probably will be reshaped.
It could be that it's just people who are never satisfied with a film that has scenes with blue color timing that need to "fix" it.
It could be a complete success that most of us dare not touch and shake our heads at people who make really silly alterations.
But someone here will hate it and tinker with it. People make fan edits of RoTJ and occasionally even the first two films.
Maybe it will be a complete disastrous flop and every single one of us will be discussing how it could be edited into something somewhat watchable (my money isn't on this outcome).
Hell, maybe in a year we will be talking about restoring the 4K Bluray to its theatrical state after they fucked with the look of the film.
I'm merely pondering what sort of new dimension this community will have in a year. It's going to happen, we just don't know in what way. It's absolutely incredible that we're going to have new Star Wars in five months. But I also find it incredible that at some point later, VII is going to be a part of the Star Wars catalogue and history. It's real and it will be treated as such. For better or worse. For work of art or raw material.
kuul7 said:
??? The Wipe IS there in both the workprint and the russian tc!!! and wheter the dvd (wipe is missing) nor the bluray (wipe is now in but there are clones talking on utapau and there are things on the wookierooftops) are the theatrical cut...
Strange. Perhaps I was looking at the wrong shot?
Lord Phillock said:
buddy-x-wing said:
REAL LOCATIONS, PRACTICAL EFFECTS, PHYSICAL SETS , REAL ACTORS in Rubber suits as the creatures, every shot in that Comic-Con clip has got to be a virtual slap in the face to everything George did with the prequels.
I like to make fun of the prequels as much as the next guy, but this sort of stuff has never been new to this film series at any point.
There were plenty of practical effects in TPM. The problem wasn't really the ratio of practical:CGI in that case, but the misuse of CGI at times. I actually think that it's the least of the film's problems. By the time RoTS rolled around, though, practical effects were certainly at a minimum. At times it works, other times not so much. CGI R2 blasting around in the first scenes is pretty damn poorly done.
Lord Phillock said:
I'm guessing a very few percentage of fans such as myself will be torn about the cinematography. Many shots have that "Into Darkness" teal... but some shots look absolutely "Star Wars". If only the producers hid those Roscolux 395 gels from Dan Mindel and had him study more "Empire Strikes Back" footage.
When it's lit right, it really looks great, though.
I took the liberty of altering a frame... I'm quite astounded at how amazingly they nailed that Star Wars look with just a bit of color teal removal:
original: http://i.imgur.com/VZBafN2.jpg
alternate: http://i.imgur.com/9MIFDe6.jpg
It will indeed be a shame if the final film has many shots that are teal/orange for no specific reason. At least it's clear that the entire movie isn't going to look like that. Oh well, I assume plenty of people around these parts will be doing their own fan color corrections of it no matter what. It would be amazing if the film itself ends up being good enough that we (mostly) all prefer watching it without editing scenes/plot/etc.
Great little video, though. Carrie ended up looking pretty good in the final makeup/wardrobe! Do we know what Simon Pegg is going to play yet? Got a slight glimpse of his costume here.
THX11384EB said:
This is clearly wrong because the Buck Rogers clip existed before the 90s, so I am wondering if this was just a rumor that some person started or if it came from an actual reputable source.
Yep, there are probably a few pages of speculation in this thread if you read back a bit.
At this point it is certainly not verified that it was ever anything but Buck Rogers.
RU.08 said:
Just a note - my encode finished and it looks really good. A huge improvement over the original encode at the same file-size (about 3.5GB). What a difference the grain makes! I'll probably just use this version for my AVCHD... I don't think this needs scratch/dirt/damage removal - except for a a handful of scenes mostly involving the end and start of the reels - and frankly I'd rather leave in the residual dirt as it doesn't really detract from the experience at all.
Sounds nice. Still waiting to see what The Team cooks up, as far as scratches/dirt go. But I agree that it's in decent shape already compared to many films.
Best not to pick a fight with all of Team Olie. But I think they were referring to the cute polar bear.
jedimasterobiwan said:
DocBosch what happened did you change your mind?
Please be patient.
Turisu said:
Is anybody with the know-how interested in colour-correcting these? All that beautiful recovered detail with the awful GOUT colours seems like a crime.
Either Harmy's or TeamBlu's versions could be used as a reference as both have much improved colours.
I've got settings that I'm going to use for my personally slightly modified color correction.
But I think Dre's actual release should be unmodified. Not that it can't be drastically improved, but you will never have any consensus or agreement on the matter. One of the main reasons I'm looking forward to this is, despite absolutely loving TeamBlu and Harmy's reconstructions , I personally am not 100% satisfied with the color in either of them. They both blow away the Bluray, but I do prefer the GOUT (which can be made to look a little less washed out without significantly changing anything). Other people love them. Other people love KK650 or age's or other LUT options. Can't satisfy everyone, so best to leave it.
Harmy himself has said that there was a misunderstanding about the source he was correcting it to and that he would do it differently. Blu's is attractive, but a reimagining.
Edit: Actually, I love Harmy's earlier color (1.0?) and TeamBlu V3. Not surprising, for me, since they're more GOUTy.
Tobar said:
Well this is set just before the start of Star Wars and we see Vader fresh on Leia's heels chasing after the plans, so I'd say it'd be more appropriate to see him in this context than most others.
I'm sure Disney is dying for a chance to use him in one of these films. I wouldn't be opposed to a cameo, just as I wouldn't be opposed to Leia receiving the plans in the film (though this would be better done offscreen or implied). I'd hope it would be better handled than the ending of Sith, though. ("Look you guys. Full circle! FULL CIRCLE.")
Rumor today that a certain Stranger's Wrath ripoff looking bounty hunter will appear in Rogue One as a main antagonist. http://www.starwars7news.com/2015/07/rumor-darth-vader-to-appear-in-rogue-one.html
Easily one of the worst parts about the Clone Wars cartoon. If true, there goes the chance of one of the Anthologies being decent.
