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#707910
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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The new canyon is really stellar! Terrific consistency! But what I do miss from the original sequence, and what I think is largely contributing to the problems others are perceiving here (i.e. an apparent loss of kinetic motion), is the swooping camera movement behind the Falcon and TIEs prior to collision. A simple dolly-in has replaced the deft, soaring camera which follows the trajectory of the pursuing ships around the valley and tracks left, into the explosion. Likewise, after the TIEs collide, the camera again sweeps up and leftwards, away from the destruction, matching the Falcon's path as it flies out from the ravine towards camera. Once more, a dolly-out has been used in place.

I think subtracting this visceral cinematography is a great loss; the replacement dolly shots render this set piece decidedly more static. They create, also, a cinematographic inconsistency with the last shot, in which the Falcon flies away from camera before looping down into the "cave" (as more of this balletic camera work features here, following on from that which came before).

Given the superior craft which has distinguished this edit (and which is, in fact, exemplified by this remade canyon segment), offering up such critiques can seem almost too harsh. Ultimately, I agree with what Alonzo Mosely posted earlier - ESB:R will come to redefine people's very notion of a "fan edit". But if it's not too late, I'd hope that the original cinematography for this section could be replicated.

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#684194
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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I've been thinking about the instances of jump cuts which feature in these movies; they're aspects which I feel age the films, and make difficult my suspension of disbelief. I know that Ady has largely smoothed these, but there are two which, for me, remain unconvincing (based on the current version of ANH:R, and the preview scenes already released for ESB:R). These are:

1.) Luke igniting his father's sabre for the first time in Obi-Wan's hut, and
2.) The barrier closing behind Luke (just before Vader pelts him with various parts of Bespin's under-structure).

While these have been significantly addressed by Ady, I've had a thought as to how it might be possible to improve on these even further, potentially achieving far more natural motion during those moments. Seeing as this is the ESB:R thread, I'll lead with the latter! (Apologies for being half off-topic, but my proposed solution to 2.) is similar to 1.), so I thought I'd include that as well!).

When Luke emerges from the tunnel in ESB, there is a console to screen right, emanating a blue light. If this console were to subtly, but noticeably, glow brighter during the instant when the barrier closes (illuminating gradually more so up till, and throughout, the gate's coming down), this could draw the eye very slightly, in such a way as to distract from any residual jerkiness of the jump cut (indeed, in the ESB:R previews, I still find Luke's movement to be somehow odd here). Even a minimal flicker from that console could be enough to divert focus, without resulting in the audience's attention being where it shouldn't (the loud sound-effect of the gate closing, breaking the silence in this scene, would sharply notify viewers, regardless, of Luke being closed in; the result of having the console glow brighter would, instead, merely be the audience not looking wholly at the area where the jump cut's effect is most noticeable).

The idea is that, with a jump cut being two separate shots, the different takes are fused more naturally together by having an event start in one and then conclude in the other, with the event's trajectory appearing unceasing throughout both (in this case, the smooth, even glow running across the two shots; commencing in the first - prior to the barrier's close - and then glowing brighter still up to and during the start of the second - the barrier beginning to fall - until reaching its pinnacle brightness at the end of the second shot - once the barrier has fully shut).

And in a similar fashion, using a minimal visual cue to attract the eye; when Luke ignites his father's sabre in ANH, a small burst of light at the sabre's hilt could be added, just as the weapon is activated. This could, again, lead attention away from Luke and Obi-Wan's awkward facial movements during the jump cut; there would, once more, be a constant event across two separate shots - a moment of light, starting from nothing and gradually reaching its full strength, throughout the jump cut. While this added light source might be irregular as far as lightsabre activations go, the in-universe explanation could simply be that, owing to the weapon's long inactivity, the sabre spurted into life more noticeably than it ordinarily would in regular use. And the added effect which I'm envisioning would be incredibly restrained.

Subtlety would have to be called for, to avoid any cluttering of the image. But if handled deftly enough, could this be something that might work?

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#670311
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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I've always preferred the 'Bring my shuttle' line, and have been firmly against the SE additions during the Cloud City escape; but I have, too, always found the cut away from the 'Bring my shuttle' scene to be awkwardly abrupt. So I did prefer the additional shot of Vader walking to a Cloud City landing platform; I felt the visual pacing was improved here. One possibility could be, to keep the 'Bring my shuttle' line and the shot of Vader walking to the landing platform, but paint out his shuttle so that the landing platform is empty (this would be easier, and perhaps more elegant and in keeping with the cinematography of the film, than inserting the Falcon and extra takes of Vader looking towards the Falcon). The score would also not be negatively affected by this, either; I think that would be my ideal sequence for this part of the film.

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#645487
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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I, too, always took the opening of ESB to be of a regular Star Destroyer as opposed to the Executor (for the reasons already mentioned - particularly the directional composition, and the naturality of the shadow being the first glimpse). Amazingly, until following this forum, I didn't imagine that it could be interpreted otherwise!

So a pretty redundant post on my part, but I wasn't sure if anyone's keeping tally ;)

 

 

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#577889
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Really diggin' the new displays - especially the Hoth displays, which I always found awkwardly sparse and static. ‘Twas wondering - at the very start of the clip, when the Rebel general is consulting one of the screens, is there to be any graphical additions made to that panel? Understandably, it pays to beware of making scenes overwrought, but for tactical visualisations (which these tablets presumably are) the inclusion of new GUIs goes a long way to making more vivid this military environment. And the general is looking at something on that display (seemingly what the Rebel opposite him is drawing/charting on the panel, before the other Rebel interrupts - might make sense to actually see what he's plotting? And that could be a minimal piece of information, which wouldn’t crowd the scene’s composition).

Either way - - top work. This'll be my definitive Empire.

 

 

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#570092
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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nightstalkerpoet said:

However, I would like to say that there is a difference between hand to hand combat and fighting with a weapon, simply in the fact that your limbs are always there, prepared to be used in that defensive method. With a weapon, it is important that the person on defense actually have their weapon drawn first, so as to block the initial attack.


Point well taken. But I think the argument could be made that, given the technology of the particular weapon in question (i.e. a laser sword, capable of activating/extending - literally - at the press of a button, almost instantaneously) and the wielder of this weapon being of supranatural reflexes and ability, the necessity of having the weapon drawn is marginalised.

In Jedi, even, Luke has his sabre 'sheathed' (and again, Luke is personifying, here, this pacifistic Jedi tendency in not seeking to overtly assault Vader) but is still able to counter Vader in good time, when he lunges at Luke after commenting that 'it is unwise to lower your defences' (the aggressive Dark Side definition of foolishness, perhaps, but not the quasi-Taoist Jedi understanding - wisdom for the Jedi, as I contend, is actively not acting by drawing the lightsabre, but in fact lowering one's defences).

And even if it is more realistically acceptable that a lightsabre be activated in order to then better adopt the defensive, I would still want to say that the symbolic imagery of the Jedi standing unarmed, with the Dark Jedi bearing down on him (communicating their appositional methods and beliefs, and deepening the interpretation of the Force and the Jedi path) is too effective to be curtailed by realism.

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#570012
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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Darth Hade said:


This is the big contradiction in the OT that nobody likes to talk about.


I'm not convinced that this is a contradiction, when you consider the particular philosophy that seems to be drawn upon in the Star Wars films. I can remember an interview with Carrie Fisher, wherein she referred to Empire as '...the spiritual one' of the initial movies, and I vaguely recall Lucas revealing his religious mind-set at the time to be of a 'Buddhist-Christian' nature (as incongruous as that might seem). Regardless, such an ideological backdrop is discernible throughout the Original Trilogy, and I've certainly always perceived strong parallels between the Jedi teachings and the maxims of Eastern philosophical traditions, particularly with regards to the Taoist concept of wu wei (and bare with me now, but this sort of jive is a certain shibboleth of mine).

Ultimately, at its foundation, wu wei (translating roughly as 'non-action' or, more precisely, 'action without action') is an effortless doing, an acting in accordance with the natural order and without disrupting life's organic process. Now, this appears very much reminiscent of feeling the force 'flow through you', of letting this energy-field that lies behind all of existence guide you, serve as your ally, while being 'calm, at peace'.

And crucially, this practice of 'non-action' (or - more appropriately - correct, undisruptive action) can be applied to confrontational happenings as well, while such a notion may seem inconsistent at first. Instead of 'rushing to face' your opponent (as Luke did with Vader in Empire), you remain still, be at one, 'use the Force', and allow what will happen to happen, as it were; Yoda himself never tells Luke that he must actively strive to seek Vader out and conquer him (and indeed chastises Luke for such a course of action in Empire), but rather serenely states in Jedi that 'face him you will' - it will be so dictated, life will conspire to have it arranged, it is the ‘will of the Force’ perhaps, and how Luke handles this event is, instead, what is central.

And then, with regards to the actual physical battle that must occur, many martial arts that inculcate the Taoist thought are concerned with using one's opponent against themselves, by allowing their rash offence to be countered and repelled back unto themselves through a clear-minded defence (via grapples, holds, blocks, and such). Conveying this approach, there is a Taoist metaphor (which, incidentally, the recent Karate Kid remake alluded to) of being still, as a puddle, so that your opponent’s attack in actual fact lands on themselves, through their image which you reflect in stillness, while you bring chaos upon yourself - send ripples across your being - if you rashly act out. I take this to be the general message behind Luke 'not needing' his weapons for the Cave. So, it is not clear to me that the ways of the Jedi (conveying peacefulness and passivity via the Eastern-aligned device of the Force) and defeating an aggressor are mutually exclusive.

And this philosophy permeates the original trilogy; I'll offer one further example from A New Hope (seeing as how the issue at play is Kenobi and Vader's duel in that particular movie). Obi-Wan having Luke cover his eyes, because they can 'deceive you', and having him instead reach out with the Force to 'see' the remote, is clearly analogous to Buddhist meditation, which concerns shutting down your sensory perceptions to look beyond the ephemeral, transient (and so, illusionary) world, to glimpse the higher realm of being; the truer reality.

It thus becomes thematically incoherent, in reference to this spiritual framework that all three films seem to operate within, to then have Obi-Wan ignite his sabre first. I fail to see any cogent reasoning to motivate such an edit.

 

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#563310
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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Mackey256 said:

topdawg193 said:

Mackey256 said:

I don't know if lurker votes count but I vote for no burn mark.

I'm a fellow lurker, and also oppose the burn mark (for the justifications already given by other members).

Then I guess we don't count as our votes cancel each other out.


No, it's okay - I subscribe to the Millean notion of some people counting for more than one vote on the grounds of intelligence. So by my reckoning, there's still at least one lurker vote in play! ;)

worov said:

Hi !

I'm another lurker. I vote against the burn mark too.


^ Make that two. Lurkers of the forum unite!

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#519248
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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topdawg193 said:

When the 'Look Sir, Droids!' scene first wipes in, and we see the Dewback off in the distance, the sky darkens at the top left of the screen, as if a black mark suddenly appears. Was wondering if this is something that could be fixed for v1.2?


Apologies for, perhaps annoyingly, bringing this up again, but I wasn't overly sure if you saw this? 'Tis about the only suggestion I can make to improve what I thought was already a premium release - and I don't want to miss the chance of being an 'apostle of awesomeness'... ;)

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#490027
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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doubleofive said:

I brought this up with Adywan a while ago and he is considering it. 


Ah, excellent! I'll keep my fingers crossed then.

doubleofive said:

He made Obi-wan light up first because he did in Episode III, but I pointed out that I think Luke failed at the cave in ESB because he lit up first.


Yeah, that was my thinking as well.

 

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#490021
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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Those proposed changes were among my few nit-picks with the original release as well, so I'm happy to hear that they may be getting addressed. My only other suggestion would be to restore Obi-Wan's and Vader's confrontation aboard the Death Star, such that Vader's sabre is already lit when Obi-Wan meets him. In Revisited, Obi-Wan is the first to ignite his sabre, and I always thought that that had a significant (and unwelcome) narrative effect; it appears that Obi-Wan is not acting defensively, but rather offensively, which seems to go against both his and, later in Empire, Yoda's instructions about using the Force for knowledge and defence, never for attack. And likewise, by being aggressive and very much on the hunt for Obi-Wan here, it seems more in keeping with Vader's character and motivation to have him make the first move, as it were.

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#469458
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MJPollard said:

 The issue is settled.  Done.  Finito.  End of discussion.



* Nervously looks around... *

 

Lord Grievous said:

Setting aside the smile, I hope that Ady will at least consider making the emperor's right eye less dark in the holo scene.



I totally agree.

* Runs! *

* And shouts back while running *   But top work on the Emperor scene regardless! It's looking the bee's proverbial knees!

;)

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#448109
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cap said:

A while ago there was discussion of dissatisfaction with the Emperor referring to Luke as “Young Skywalker” and some suggested in might be possible to make him say “Luke Skywalker” as Clive Revill did in 1980.  What has become of that?  Did it turn out to be possible, impossible, or yet to be determined?


^ This is something I'm really hoping will make the edit, so that we'd have the best possible incarnation of that scene. Around the time of that discussion, adrojo posted some mock-ups to YouTube in which s/he demonstrated the high possibility of inserting 'Luke' into the dialogue; in my opinion, the best mock-up (and what I think was the final mock-up done on the matter) is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRAuVstzOv8&feature=related.

As someone already commented on the video, all I really think needs done to the 'Luke' there is some additional echo, and maybe some slight level adjustment. But if it can sound that seamless after only minimal editing, I'm holding out hope that it can make its way into ESB:R.

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#420682
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Star Wars OT &amp; 1997 Special Edition - Various Projects Info (Released)
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Have been following this project a lot recently and am really looking forward to finally having all the variant audio tracks present and accounted for. I was wondering, with talk of isolated scores and mixes boasting previously unused content (i.e. the ROTJ mix that was mentioned just before this post), is something similar being included for ESB - will there be an audio track which includes, say, the duel music which was cut for the theatrical run?

It's always interesting to hear such deleted tracks; I'll always prefer the music-less duel, but what was cut was also effective in its own way, nonetheless (I'm thinking specifically about when Yoda's theme kicks in after Luke reclaims his lightsabre and as Vader says 'Obi-Wan has trained you well'; always loved that!).

I don't know if space is an issue, though, with including such 'novelty' tracks, but I thought I'd throw it out there anyway. Always nice to have options. Oh, and for what it's worth:

Chewtobacca said:


...
part of this project must surely be for those who wanted a decent DVD release of the pre-SE SW that they grew up with.  It would be a shame for the home video tracks not to be synced to these releases. 


^ Agreed!

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#416071
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SW Episode III - Reign of the Dark Side (* unfinished project *)
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Really diggin' what's been done so far here, and especially loving the Mace Vs. Palpatine tweakings; was wondering if any had seen this edit of said duel, as I found it pretty effective. The clever re-ordering of Anakin arriving at the building really helps lengthen the amount of time it takes Palptine to dispatch Fisto, making the fight that bit more plausible. Something to consider, maybe?

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#399015
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Info &amp; Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist
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^ Amazing Jaitea - that addition REALLY spicens up the lackluster set! Also, have colouring differences been applied to the consoles in the throne room? Blue-ing/brightening them up? The set really comes alive now.

Great video; it's hopeful to see that the image concepts and mock-ups bandied around this thread can actually be nicely applied to moving film.