timdiggerm

Huh! Never noticed that thing, really.

..screenshot of crab claw?

I think he may have been replying to Purist's statement that even the ROTJ dialogue says nothing about a training relationship. Instead, it's explicitly stated.

Stuff like this is why the Marvel Comics are officially considered a lower level of canonicity than even the EU

Stop.

Don't talk about that here. Please see the thread Harmy linked to. That's where that discussion belongs.

The problem with physical media is that

1. It breaks

2. Distribution is slow and expensive compared to digital

3. Every time we want to make advancements in quality, they make you pay again. This last one is my biggest gripe with DVD-->Blu-->Future

4. Also, the proprietary nature of Blu-Ray sucks

For those of you who talk about how you don't get alternate commentary tracks, etc with digital

1. That's possible with digital

2. Most people don't care

Let's say this, then: Physical media is dying.

Alien and Prometheus are intended to take place in "The Future". I'm sure there are years assigned or whatever, but they are pretty unimportant other than of ordering events and placing them in The Future. Alien wasn't intended to portray an alternate future in which we never progressed beyond CRTs or regressed to CRTs or whatever; it's just that that's what was available (within budget, feasible, etc) to the filmmakers. If you gave the Alien team easy access to flatscreens or CGI-holograms back then, I bet they would have used those instead. Maybe they would have had them flicker or whatever, to demonstrate that the Nostromo is a hulking rustbucket, but they would have picked whatever they could that would indicate to viewers "This is clearly taking place in The Future".

The filmmakers of Prometheus have the same choice. Using CRTs, while consistent with the look of Alien, would have

1. Implied that these films take place in some sort of future/alternate-history in which we never progress beyond or regress to CRTs
2. Probably confused viewers. Not that they would have doubted it was the future, because spaceships, but it would have been weird.

The filmmakers either assume that the viewers can get over this discrepancy, being aware that Alien was made in the 70s, or are super-committed to not-being-George-Lucas (by which I mean making Special Editions), or both.

Anchorhead said:

To clarify: When I said it looked too 2012, I meant in regard to current visual trends in motion pictures, not a reference to the film 2012.  Prometheus looks like it was made now, instead of a setup to a film from 1979.

Ooooh that makes way more sense. Okay, cool.

I would like to remind everyone that I'm not some sort of "all film creativity ended in 1985" naysayer.

I did need this reminder.

I've openly welcomed some sequels, prequels, and remakes.  Even to films that were iconic in my world.  I'm completely ok with films that are new and\or current versions of older films, or are connected to older films.

and am thus interested in some examples, if you feel like it.

ray_afraid said:

I wanna point out that from what I know about the film, people who are interested in this only as a set up to Alien are in it for the wrong reasons and will be disappointed. To make a Star Wars analogy in regards to this as a Alien prequel, this won't be "Ah, so that's how Anikin became Darth Vader" it's more like "Ah, so that's how that dragon skeleton got there". Which is possibly a much more interesting story.

...did that make sense?

I could be wrong. There's a lot of conflicting info out there.

I'm pretty sure you're spot on.

in before someone says Ridley Scott

Anchorhead said:

I'm no longer interested in this film. After seeing these extended trailers, for me it's too slick and too 2012 with regard to cinematography and pacing.

Trailers are edited separately and differently than films. Also, comparing Ridley Scott to Roland Emmerich is ridiculous.

As a prequel, it also has the same issue that bothered me with Phantom Menace.  There is a huge technology step backwards for events taking place several decades later.  That's a story killer for me.  We're seeing Minority Report computers which, far into the future, will become the CRTs of the Nostromo. No thanks.

Bingo covered this.

Plus, I'm just not getting a good vibe from seeing so much about the derelict ship.  For me, the Space Jockey will forever remain a mystery, just as he has been for the past 34 years.

This is how many pre/sequels work - Something that wasn't explored in the original is explored. The process of revealing that and whatever it leads to can be a great experience, independent of the wonder you may have felt previously. Plus, one of the two writers is Damon Lindelof, previously on LOST. He's very good at showing the partial answer to a mystery while raising ten new mysteries. If it's mystery you want, Lindelof's your man.

Warbler said:

Matches Malone?

https://www.google.com/search?q=Matches+Malone

http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/Matches_Malone

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Matches_Malone

Oh, so that's the plot. Pretty much what I thought, actually.

Not sure it explains the origins of the Xenomorphs, but maybe.

The funny thing about KatS is that their comeback album was waaaaay better than any of their older stuff. You don't often see that with bands.

CP3S said:

SilverWook said:

timdiggerm said:

SilverWook said:

Shinzon

You keep using that name...

Sorry about that. It was too soon for another evil bald guy in a Trek movie anyway! Not to mention a big creepy all black spaceship right out of a Disaster Area concert. ;)

I may be responsible, I've been calling Nero and the Romulans Shinzon and the Remans just for kicks on account of their similarities.

And they're both such great band names!

SilverWook said:

Shinzon

You keep using that name...

You_Too said:

CatBus said:

We need You_Too.

You need me?

In fact, Harmy Film © has just released their latest movie, "Episode VI Despecialized - In space no one can hear you scream NOOOO"

Here's the opening screen:

I'm confused, YT. Normally your color corrections are so good, but this one looks pretty bad to my eyes. I'll admit that my monitor isn't professionally calibrated, but I think you've gone too far with the yellows here.

005, any chance you could make a shot-by-shot comparison gallery to show all the ways that Harmy altered Ridley Scott's original vision?

No, I'm pretty sure Cookies isn't the right font. Or, if it is, there was some heavy customization done to it back then. Here's a comparison I've made; Cookies is in grey.

Recreated logos? Sounds like we're getting into Star Wars Preservationist Preservation!

DuracellEnergizer said:

I really need to see the original series. Rubber foreheads aside, this sounds like a fun series worth watching.

You're more likely to get really cheesy 1960s sets.

Warbler said:

timdiggerm said:

Warbler said:

SilverWook said:

Warbler said:

the only real problem I had with the 2009 movie was the Spock/Uhura relationship.  It seems very out of character for a logical and unemotional Vulcan. 

Half Vulcan.

again with the half Vulcan stuff.   From what I know, Vulcans naturally have emotions.  They become logical and unemotional through training and discipline.  Therefore, since Spock when through the training and discipline, the fact that he is half human is meaningless. 

On the biological level, it may or may not be important. But on the psychological level, it is. He's always known that he's half-human, and thus has some amount of curiosity about his emotions, given that one of his parents doesn't repress. He wants to repress like other Vulcans... but sometimes he wonders.

but would he really wonder to the point of having a romantic relationship?

Well that's the question, isn't it?

timdiggerm said:

SilverWook said:

Uhura was flirting with Spock in "The Man Trap". That scene was cut from syndication prints for decades.

true, but they never ended up in a relationship. 

And Vulcan was never destroyed either. This right here is an alternate timeline. The attraction is there, as the characters are mostly still themselves, but differing events result in differing outcomes.

the relationship with Uhura clearly started before Vulcan was destroyed.   I also somehow don't see how the destruction of Vulcan would cause Spock to abandon his Vulcan heritage of logic by having a romantic relationship.  If anything, I think the destruction of Vulcan would do the opposite.   I would think the destruction of Vulcan would make Spock to want to be more Vulcan then ever before.   He'd be one of the few Vulcans left, and he'd want the Vulcan heritage culture preserved. 

Yes, I can see how the differing timeline can cause Spock to be different, but is this the Spock we really want?   A Spock that would engage in romance?   I'm sorry I but I prefer the original Spock.   I like my Spock logical and and unemotional. 

I'm not saying that the destruction of Vulcan caused any of this. As soon as the Romulans show up and destroy the Kelvin, the universe starts to differ. That was my only point here.

timdiggerm said:

SilverWook said:

Spock seemed kind of emotional, and even smiled in "The Cage".

at that time, they were still developing the character.  

Clearly you've never run into the fans who rationalize every bizarre inconsistency in TOS into canon. I can talk about this if you want.

please do.   

So, in TOS, the crew of the Enterprise is shown as having that Delta-Swoosh on their shirts, and other Federation (if a particular episode is even using that term) crews have different emblems. Cut tot the movies, a decade later, and that delta-swoosh is everywhere. In fact, it's the logo of all Starfleet. Now, one could suppose that this was the new canon, as it makes a lot of sense for all Starfleet to have one logo, and TOS's inconsistencies are to be ignored... or you could suppose that all Starfleet decided to adopt the Enterprise's emblem. For some reason, the latter is considered canon.

In Trek09, in the opening sequence, we see the USS Kelvin, before any timeline-changes take place, existing in (until the Romulans appear) the same timeline as TOS. And the crew of the Kelvin have on their shirts... The Delta-Swoosh. Now, one could suppose that they're finally going the logical route and deciding that was always Starfleet's logo and TOS is just an early inconsistency (see: Spock's emotions in The Cage?)... or you could claim that the Kelvin's emblem was passed on to the Enterprise for whatever reason in TOS and was made the emblem of all Starfleet a bit earlier in the new timeline, in memory of its destruction, blah blah blah blah blah...

Guess which one I've actually seen argued?

Bingowings said:

They are just stuffy Victorian dads with pointy ears and bad hair cuts who allow themselves to go on a murderous rampage every eight years of the long adult life.

This might be the first time I've ever agreed with Bingo.

Warbler said:

SilverWook said:

Warbler said:

the only real problem I had with the 2009 movie was the Spock/Uhura relationship.  It seems very out of character for a logical and unemotional Vulcan. 

Half Vulcan.

again with the half Vulcan stuff.   From what I know, Vulcans naturally have emotions.  They become logical and unemotional through training and discipline.  Therefore, since Spock when through the training and discipline, the fact that he is half human is meaningless. 

On the biological level, it may or may not be important. But on the psychological level, it is. He's always known that he's half-human, and thus has some amount of curiosity about his emotions, given that one of his parents doesn't repress. He wants to repress like other Vulcans... but sometimes he wonders.

SilverWook said:

And having a thing for human females runs in the family.

I presume you were talking about Spock's father, Sarek.    Him being married human was explained.  Sarek was an ambassador, marrying a human allowed him to learn and understand them better.   It was logical. 

Legit point.

SilverWook said:

Uhura was flirting with Spock in "The Man Trap". That scene was cut from syndication prints for decades.

true, but they never ended up in a relationship. 

And Vulcan was never destroyed either. This right here is an alternate timeline. The attraction is there, as the characters are mostly still themselves, but differing events result in differing outcomes.

SilverWook said:

Spock seemed kind of emotional, and even smiled in "The Cage".

at that time, they were still developing the character.  

Clearly you've never run into the fans who rationalize every bizarre inconsistency in TOS into canon. I can talk about this if you want.

SilverWook said:

He has never been an unemotional character. He's just pretty good at concealing his emotions most of the time. That internal struggle with his human half is one thing that makes him more interesting.

true, but wouldn't concealing his emotions also mean concealing any feelings he has for women?  

Yeah, if he was a good Vulcan.

SilverWook said:

A plot point that is sometimes overlooked in TMP is Spock's realization after his mind meld with V'Ger. "Logic is not enough." In this new timeline, he may have had that epiphany sooner.

sorry not buying it.   And even have TMP, Spock never had a relationship. 

To me it just doesn't make sense to have him acting logical and unemotional, but then go have this romantic relationship with Uhura.  

As much as I see where you're coming from, I think it works.

DuracellEnergizer said:

I probably will never see this reboot. I can't stand Zachary Quinto.

I would give it a try. If it turns out that you really can't stand it, then fine...but at least get as far as Nimoy's first scene.

scallions said:

For some reason when I burned this it was grainy and a little blurry.

 

Can anyone trade with me so I can get hammy's despecialized set?

 

When you burn an image to disc, you're burning the exact same bits, 0s and 1s, as everyone else. So, someone else's copy shouldn't matter.