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The following post is made of SPOILERS. I don't even know why you'd read this thread anymore if you didn't want to read SPOILERS. In particular, these are SPOILERS about the film's ending.

Warbler said:

I think Bane's mask hindered too much his ability to emote.

True, although it also imbued him with a certain level of creepy. Early in the film, his eyes are totally emotionless but his voice is great. Later in the film, even his eyes start to show things.

I also felt let down by the fights between Bane and Batman.   I wanted the climax of this movie to be an epic knock down drag out  fight to the death between Bane and Batman.   The fights weren't bad, but they could have been better.

They were indeed just two big guys punching each other. I can't think of a different way to do it, though, given that we have two big guys and they gotta punch.

I am appalled with what they did to Alfred in this movie.    Having him all of the sudden wish Wayne had not come back in Batman Begins and having him want Wayne to stop being Batman feels shoved in.   Neither movie showed any indication that Alfred felt anything close to this way and yet he supposedly felt this way the whole time.

I didn't have this issue at all. It's been pretty well established that Alfred wants Bruce to be a normal person, well recovered from the death of his loved ones and no longer overcome with grief. When he talks about having hoped Bruce wouldn't come back, it's only in the context of Bruce not coming back because he's found a new, good life somewhere else. When he doesn't want Bruce to be Batman, it's because he thinks Bruce will die as Batman. While the details like that haven't been spoken by Alfred previously, the motivation behind them was certainly present.

I liked the John Blake character,  but I didn't like the Robin thing.   For one thing, Robin wasn't Robin's real name.  His real name was Dick Grayson.   Also Robin is supposed to be the boy wonder.   In the movie he is a grown man.   I also don't buy how he knows that Bruce was Batman.  Finally Robin is Batman's assistant, not his replacement.

In terms of Batman continuity, this is certainly the only really awful thing in the film. But goodness, I'm impressed enough that Nolan put anything remotely related to Robin in one of his movies. It's a pretty good way for Robin to exist without Bruce essentially kidnapping and conscripting a child into service.

And the brings us to the thing I hate most about this movie.    Bruce Wayne leaving Gotham with Catwoman.   That is so wrong on so many fronts.   Bruce Wayne would never stop fighting crime in Gotham, you'd have to kill him or disable him permanently to stop from crime fighting.

Remember what Alfred said, early in the film, about how he hoped that Bruce would find peace. Bruce being at the cafe means that that's happened.

And I certainly can't see him leaving Gotham in the condition it after Bane and Talia were defeated.  Gotham was still a mess and criminals were still on the loose and police power was limited at best.  No way he'd leave it in that condition when Gotham still needed him.

This is exactly why he gave Robin the Batcave. Also, notice the part where he restored the Batsignal. He knows Gotham still needs a protector, and he didn't leave it protector-less.

And to go away with the Catwoman???  She is a criminal!  She set him up to get his ass beaten by Bane! She is partly responsible for all the death and destruction that he caused.   Also she is a thief, like the guy that murdered his parents!

No, there's more to her than that.

I don't really think that I need to say much more than that about her. She redeemed herself and proved which side she's on when she blew open the tunnel and then came back instead of escaping.

I understand that they wanted to end the Batman series here, but they could have done it without this stupid ending.   They could have killed him off, exactly as they apparently had.   Having him die to save the city he loved would have been an excellent way to end the thing.    Mind you, I am not saying the movie is bad, it just has flaws.   But it still kept me entertained for two hours, so I would still say it is worth seeing. 

The best thing about this movie is where they leave everyone at the end. You've made a lot of assumptions about where people have to go in life after this film, assumptions which, while possible, are not necessary.

Bruce can, now that he's a bit more sane and in control, return to being Batman when he chooses. Publicly, he's assumed dead in the Bane revolution, but he can return to Gotham with a story about not being on the island when the bridges blew and then hiding out in the rest of the world for awhile. Heck, maybe he'll even become a good businessman now and restore Wayne Industries. Alfred would certainly rejoin a stabler Bruce, when the time came.

And who's to say that Selina would stay clean forever? The Catwoman/Batman relationship has always been tumultuous, and it really isn't hard to imagine her going back to thievery, if you really want to enter into the endless-conflict state of comic books.

One of my favorite parts is how ambiguous they've made Ra's al Ghul's status. Is he alive or dead? Was Bruce hallucinating, or did he slip in and out of consciousness just long enough to enjoy a short visit from his former mentor? Nolan doesn't tell us, which allows him to avoid fantastical elements like Lazarus Pits without actually making al Ghul's fate definitive. At the end of Nolan's trilogy, all of Batman's classic villains are potentially alive and useable, except for Two-Face (a real loss, unfortunately, but necessary) and Bane.

Other than the whole Dick Grayson thing, the film leaves its world in a very good state. You can either imagine that this is the end of Bruce as Batman, it's all over... or things could return to a more familiar state. It's beautifully open ended, but not in a way that demands sequels.

Just saw the movie.

What a good ending.

Bingo's identity, revealed!

Star Wars Purist said:

Well...you can love the Old EU that's for sure...

Everyone knows that Mindharp of the Sharu is the best.

ww12345 said:

R2 looks white and black, to me. Anyone else see that?

He's supposed to. A standard blue R2 unit was an obvious problem for the bluescreen shots in space, so a black R2 was used for those shots.

Monroville said:

Also, would the buildings in the shot about need to be altered to match the ones in the new shot below?

I would also ask: should the buildings in the "Slave 1 taking off" shot be angled the way they are (as opposed to more level, as indicated by the red line)?

BTW, love those new clouds...

The buildings should be more flat, like you say, if they're taller than the platform, and how they are or having an even greater curve if they're level with or below the building.

Pretty sure they're below it.

They do this every year, and I remember going once when I was young (10-14, somewhere in that range). They do indeed play the big Star Wars themes, although I don't know what (if any) prequel bits they've included since those films debuted. I don't think I'll be going this year, but maybe I should consider returning to see what it's like now. They also play, as the blurb notes, plenty of other movies' themes - I think I remember Superman from back then, but it was a long time ago, so who knows.

Scotty said:

Now if we can get Vader to say 'Bring my Shuttle' I'll be extremly happy.

From the first post...

Adywan said:

Restoring the "bring my shuttle" line

Planet replacement was, for better or worse, inevitable.

But wow does that model look good.

Holy cow how had we never noticed this before?

Definitely gives some ideas for ROTJ fanedits.

Yeah, it sounds like an error was introduced into English prints of the film that wasn't introduced into Spanish prints. Thus, it's the original recording, as intended by the director then.

No.

What's with the big blue ....thing?

It seems pretty obvious to me that halfway through the paragraph, she changed her mind about when Luke should learn Nellith's name.

GWL said:

I still don't understand why people would want the older quality versions when the better versions are on Blu-Ray now.  The tapes are still out there if you want to see the earlier versions.  If an artist puts his name on something he wants it to represent his original vision because he has to answer to criticism of that art. Then everybody calls you a terrible person for it.

"Better" is a very subjective term. Not everyone thinks that the modern effects and other changes are better.

twister111 said:

 

chinakat said:

2) You can't choose an entire series of movies (i.e. Star Wars, Star Trek, etc.) Pick ONE movie from that series. (exception: The Lord of the Rings)

Under what criteria does LOTR get exemption?

 

It was filmed as a single film. By that logic, the Matrix sequels are one film.

"The Muppet Movie"

I've been seeing a lot of AT-AT replacement work in ESBR. How much of the original walker effects are intact? Most or all of the close-up walker vs speeder action?

Chroma-shift too?

evan1975 said:

I'm not a religious person, so religious allegories and symbolism mean nothing to me.

In film class, a teacher would point out during a movie, "Note the Christ-like imagery," and I would just shrug while teacher oohed and ahhed.

It just seems lazy to me; a crutch.  A director's story isn't strong enough on its own, so let's invoke Jesus.  That makes it deep.

If I wanted to watch a movie about Jesus, I'd watch Passion of the Christ or something.

I hope this post doesn't offend anyone; it's not intended as such.

What if the allusions had been to ancient myths or some other religion?

Yeah, I'm sorry I mentioned it.

If it included the missed grappling hook throw, it would be from an alternate universe...

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

I will be in Annapolis Aug 31-Sep 2.  But I won't have a car.

Guys, guys, I also live in Maryland.

msycamore said:

LexX said:

I really can't believe they would actually replace it... it wouldn't make it any better and it would create a serious backslash from the public.

You just described the results of the alterations that's been done so far. ;)

Hardly. Most people don't care.

Remember that, if the screenshot is from ESB, the interior cockpit set was too big to fit into the exterior model.