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theprequelsrule said:

Gollum always looked fake to me. For the time it was great CGI, but it still looked fake.

Gollum didn't look fake to me. Maybe once or twice? Maybe? He looked really real, other than the fact that I know in my head that there's no one who looks like that.

A plastic mask is real. It may be poorly crafted and look like crap, but it will still look real because it is real and not just data on some computer.

No. The Gammorean Guards do not look real. They look like real rubber, yes, but they do not look like real living creatures. Looking like a physical object is not enough - Creatures need to look like creatures, not rubber.

Jabba looked great in ROTJ in 1983, in 2003, and will still look great in 2033.

Most of the time. Occasionally I think he looks a little stiff.

Gollum will be considered a joke in 2033.

At worst he'll be considered a great example of the best that could be done at the time.

THIS IS WHY CGI IS BAD FOR FILMS UNTIL THEY HAVE 100% PHOTO-REALISTIC TECHNOLOGY.

Define 100% photorealistic. How will you know when we've reached it? You can't make this kind of demand without a satisfiable goal defined.

Filmmakers stop using FX in the proper manner; as slight-of-hand (as another poster put it), and instead put it front and centre where we can see how fake it looks.

So you want filmmakers to intentionally display the shortcomings of available technologies instead of using what they have to create the illusions they think are best suited for their stories? Why would they do that?

Until you can provide me with a case in which the exception does not prove the rule, I will not believe that "the exception proves the rule" is a rule.

I'd like to know what you think about the DSII-plans hologram in ROTJ, though!

theprequelsrule said:

It just seems weird that there are people on this forum who are defending CGI as "just another tool" when it seems to me that this "tool" is largely responsible for our current dilemma; no proper release of the OOT.

Just because a tool has had some negative effects doesn't mean it's inherently bad, or a bad tool.

[Insert Gun Control debate here]

I would contribute, but I've never seen TOD... and I really enjoyed KOTCS.

Disclaimer: I think ROTLA is the best, so I'm not entirely crazy.

TV's Frink said:

I'll take a look at it in audacity and see what is available.

The Equalization plugin has a preset called "AM Radio" or something that works really well.

theprequelsrule said:

I respectfully disagree. CGI do not exist as real things. Matte paintings (and models) are real - they can be touched. They have unintentional flaws that add to their reality.

Flaws like brushstrokes? Let me know the next time you see brushstrokes IRL.

CGI are only bits of data. The human mind revolts at CGI as something intrinsically unreal.

Revolts? Revolts? The fact that people enjoyed Avatar is a great counterexample. People "revolt" (still too strong a word) when CGI is unrealistic, when something is off. But things like Avatar and Gollum have done a great job of showing that it can be done well.

Between CGI and 3D garbage, I have found myself completely disinterested in every "blockbuster" film that comes down the pipes these days. When the acting and story are good, it actually makes things worse.

I'm not convinced you're an unbiased observer.

doubleofive said:

 

msycamore said:

Where do we draw the line?

Right here.

 

But this is an example, not a principle. It's not very useful in discussion.

I'm gonna have to agree. It's not funny and the sound is super muddled/confusing.

New Republic and contemporaneous to the OT are the two I think you'd like, although obviously not everything within those.

I have no idea how you'd feel about New Jedi Order (a loooong storyline during New Republic times). It sure isn't World Shrinkage.

If better and worse are opposite directions on a line, you're going off on a different direction.

Do believe this may help push you towards his Thrawn Trilogy, huh?

Tobar is, indeed, the voice of reason.

And theprequelsrule has made some of the greatest posts ever to grace these boards.

And that "indeed" in my first sentence was pretentious and superfluous.

I do hope he comes back.

Oldfan said:

the company he chose, out of several different 3D companies, is the one who did the conversion for Clash of the Titans

D:

I did not know this. I am a whole lot less optimistic now.

Okay okay, but what do we think could maybe possibly be doable with a lot of effort and existing footage? This is the Fan Edit forum after all.

Wow, non-white people on Hoth!

And Ady, I'm really sorry to hear all that :( Don't even consider thinking about pondering the possibility of working on anything.

I think it would be a great redemption for Tatooine in general, and for the Tuskens as well.

But rotoscoping everything and everyone but the main characters so that they join a Jawa tribe...seems...difficult.

That and Tatooine isn't remote or unpopulated enough for a Giant Construction Project In The Sky to go unnoticed.

Jawas and Sandpeople instead of Ewoks? Sign me up.

Right, and that could briefly be told in the opening crawl. "After tracking the vile gangster, JABBA THE HUTT, to the remote world of [MADE UP NAME]..."

That's a pretty good idea... Heck, with some good rotoscoping, you could do better than to just shift the sand color.

I have no idea if it's feasible, audio/video-wise, but that interchange could be shortened to

HAN: I think my eyes are getting better. Instead of a big dark blur, I see a big light blur.
LUKE: There's nothing to see.
HAN: Convenient.

That does leave the "I'll meet you at the rendezvous point on Tatooine." line a little strange, but not unsalvageable.

Someone who knows Ming: Ask him to put them on a more public site. flickr or imgur come to mind.

CP3S said:

The Return of the King isn't monstrously long now... well, it was monstrously long to start with, but not more so now unless you choose the option of purchasing the longer extended edition of the film. The EE was made for extreme fans of the films who want to pay extra to get a bloated experience. 

To be fair, TTT:EE is a better film in its extended form.

doubleofive said:

 

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No, he's quoting the facebook-provided error message.

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Yeah, but they would work.