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#1450097
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Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones, Sanded Down (Released)
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Octorox said:

V2 is available and addresses much of the feedback I’ve gotten on this edit over the years. PM me for a link as always or find it in the usual places (old links should still work).

Full cutlist with new changes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12dAvtrsxZT66tM_uZ5bRpxFb8Y4e8m5mY6iE7YXKCmE/edit?usp=sharing

That’s good news, Octorox!
Besides addressing feedback, did you use any new sources for V2?

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#1422516
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Rise of the Rebellion: A Rogue One Edit (Released)
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DigMod said:

theprion said:

DigMod said:

The updates are currently only in the survival edition. I’ll be going to upload an updated base version this weekend.

Any news on the v2 update, Dig?

Sorry, life required some more intentional focus lately. With the color, opening and deepfake overhauls it became a bit more to bite off. I’m currently working on a Star Trek project, but should have some time to see how extensive a v3 would be of the base edit. I’ll make sure to post more when it’s updated 😃 Thanks for reaching out!

Don’t worry!
I’m glad its still on your plans. Thanks!

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#1417665
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Deepfake Tarkin & Leia swap (Rogue One) (up on the Shamook youtube channel)
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Shamook said:
Or even if you guys have any suggestions for any Star Wars deepfakes you might want to see.

How about deepfakin Ewan McGregor’s real beard into his dreadful fake beard on those AotC reshoots?

Would be similar to what you did to Cavill’s removed mustache, I gather.

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#1408852
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Rise of the Rebellion: A Rogue One Edit (Released)
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I see. But I think Jyn having a moral compass intrinsic of her character is less interesting than building a moral compass along with the rebel cause she grows to embrace, either from the Alliance/Saw as a stand against universal oppression, or from her father as an emotional bond. To fight the good fight, as you put it, strays from her being an anti-hero whos yet to redeem herself to a full-fledged hero whos righteous from the beginning - which contradicts the fact she’s a convicted criminal by the start of the movie, not a freedom fighter.

But I can get behind your take on Cassian’s reliance on the duo. I never saw it that way, with Jyn being the protagonist, that those scenes add to his characters’ development, so I can see the point. I didn’t think of complete removal though, just some tweaking to address those perceived issues. I might have a go at it someday.

Thanks for the thoughts, good to be a part of the conversation!

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#1408841
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Rise of the Rebellion: A Rogue One Edit (Released)
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Hey DigMod, it’s great to learn of the progress made on RotR v2/ Survivor Cut. Really looking forward to it.

I just recently saw v1 again and wondered how do you feel about some points, specifically:

  • Isn’t Jyn saving the little girl in Jedha a little too cheesy? I mean, the place looks like another wretched hive of scum and villainy and when negotiations go aggressive, there’s a crying little girl in the midst of crossfire… Not just conveniently a little girl, but of all of the alien populace, a human at that. R1 makes its point in having sympathetic anti-heroes in a journey for redemption and this by-the-book selfless feat just makes Jyn a tad more predictable way too soon in the movie. Surely her own childhood traumas of abandonment are pretty obvious by then for the audience to need this kind of unsubtlety. Also, it makes for a strange cut that Jyn’s hair is all messed up after the blast but is back to pristine in the next shot.
  • Right after that Jyn guns down a trooper without as much looking his way…
  • In the alley fight, Jyn goes berserk and batons up about five armored troopers. The movie sticks again with the conventional hero archetype - has to be kind, has to be physical. Even though its guerilla warfare going down.
  • K2 slides in and out too conveniently during Jedha. It’s okay we get to learn how much of a rebel he is the first time, disobeying Cassian and shadowing the team all along. But then he turns off the defiant/protective attitude when Cassian orders him back to the ship a second time, and right when they are about to be captured once again… he turns his back and consents, to be seen again only when apocalypse hits (and it wasn’t a plan to get to Saw because he was just “standing by as you requested” while folks would hopelessly be Bor Gullet’d).

These bothered me to some degree and I thought of sharing. Would like to know what you think of it.

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#1397390
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Episode II: The Eyepainter Fanedit (Released)(Trailer online)(Re-edit a WIP)
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Eyepainter said:
Jango is to Epsiode II what Jar Jar is to Episode I.

Ha, so tragic and so true!

Sorry, Prion, but I tried (and it ended up being a disaster).

I’m glad that you tried, though. It’s nice that you were open to the suggestions to try new approaches. Also good reference to know how far you can push the film until it breaks.

Looking forward to what you make of it!

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#1396204
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Episode II: The Eyepainter Fanedit (Released)(Trailer online)(Re-edit a WIP)
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Eyepainter said:
I’m not sure where I said that Jango wasn’t on Geonosis.

Sorry, I meant to write “doesn’t die on Geonosis” and got lost in the train of thought.

My only concern is that Mace Windu’s entrance might be needed. Having just a bunch of random jedi appear out of nowhere seems a little vague and hard to follow.

You’re right, I had completely forgotten of Mace’s entrance. First thing that comes to mind would be removing Jango from the shot to be replaced by one of the neimoidians, but I don’t know how feasible (or worthwhile) that is to the scope of the edit.

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#1396055
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Episode II: The Eyepainter Fanedit (Released)(Trailer online)(Re-edit a WIP)
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Some interesting workarounds.

But since Jango isn’t on Geonosis in your cut, why not completely cut him from the film? He was always an useless fanservice of a character anyways.

Consider this: the kaminoans might have their gene pools or something like that. Why would they (or Count Dooku, for that matter) need a random mercenary to be either an outside asset or a loose end on this monumental operation? So Obi follows the dart trail to Kamino, discovers the clone army, and when he is about to meet the unknown “supervisor” who ordered the clones, a ship (still Slave I, but who cares) departs hastily upon learning of the jedi’s inquiry, but not before Obi whips him a tracking device. This should improve the veil of secrecy involving Count Dooku and the assassination plan when Obi-Wan finally uncovers him in Geonosis, rather than just skip leads from one bounty hunter to another. What do you think?

As for Shmi, I’m curious to see how you make it work. Paired with the downplaying of Jango, these are some promising changes I have no knowledge of prior attempts.

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#1396042
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Star Wars Episode III: Labyrinth Of Evil (Released)
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Hal 9000 said:

You (probably?) have the current version; that description wasn’t meant to be an exact quote. I re-recorded the lines for V2 or V3 but the wording remained the same, I believe.

And my prequel edits take a deliberate approach not to alter their “prequel” nature, as those three films read that way naturally. They aren’t any better or worse than the theatricals in terms of viewing them chronologically versus in release order. Plus, what happens with the twins is already less clear that ideal given the footage available to work with the “Padme lives” idea, so I wouldn’t want to muddle it further.

Hmmm, I see.

I personally think the less clear than ideal role of the twins actually makes for a more compelling loose end to be tied up later, whether Padme survives or not. But I understand its not your approach.

The medical prognosis as it currently is, however, does make an avoidable confusion for the “Padmé lives” ending, just because the droid clearly states that her survival is at stake and a moment later we see her settled in Alderaan. It would be strange that her sustained injuries or her profound sadness had not killed her in days after giving birth, as implied by the droid and the original ending, rather than the longer amount of time she is given to spend with Leia enough for her daughter to remember her. If the implication, however, is that Padmé indeed perishes in Alderaan soon after the twins delivery, Leia is still too young to remember her mother and the change might be somewhat redundant.

So even if you show Padmé alive, the medical prognosis is just not consistent with her survival. If the droid lines were exactly how you phrased them yourself in your cutlist, however, it would work like a charm.

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#1395981
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Star Wars Episode III: Labyrinth Of Evil (Released)
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Hey, Hal!

This probably has been considered by someone else before, but how would you feel about not showing Padmé giving Luke and Leia their names?

We would still see her giving birth to the twins, but wouldn’t who they are or what do they matter at that point. It might be more interesting for a newcomer introduced only by the edits (crazy, I know), to kick off A New Hope not knowing who Luke and Leia are right out of the gate, making that connection much later as it was originally done by the end of the OT.

[JEDIT] Also, even though your cutlist mentions Padmé prognosis is that “she’ll survive without ever fully recovering”, the medical droid (yourself?) says that it “cannot say how long she might last”. Do I have the right version of the edit or that’s really it and maybe it gives the wrong idea?

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#1394880
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Ideas & Help Wanted: Tenet Chronological Fan-edit? Anyone up for it? (Spoilers)
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I could not help but fanedit the whole movie in my mind while watching, but mostly to trim redundant sequences and the atrocious (signature Nolan) expository dialogue.

As for chronology I think the movie is actually pretty linear. The thing to grasp is that its all a closed loop: all that happens to the Past Protagonist is happening simultaneously to the Future Protagonist, but of course, in reverse. Is just that we’re stuck with the past perspective for the sake of catharsis.

In the first opera scene, the Future Protagonist is glimpsed being there to test the Past Protagonist, so that he can recruit himself into Tenet - and the whole film follows this thread until Tenet secures the Algorithm. That’s the turning point between Past and Future, where the Past Protagonist becomes aware of his role and as now Future Protagonist, commits to do the whole chain of events, starting with organizing Tenet up until he first recruits himself back into the Opera House. The chain of events for the Future Protagonist, that way, would be the reverse order of the movie. That’s the SATOR square coming full circle.

For a fanedit I would say:

  • The Opera mission is deliberately confusing to set up the rest of the movie, and even with some mild trimming it could be more straightforward;
  • The scientist briefing and the shooting range just make it all worse and add that “to avoid WW3” red herring, so I would completely ditch it. It might feel important to explain the film’s premise but the exchanges with Priya later do a much better job at it;
  • The Mumbai break-in is also disposable, as introducing Neil and Priya could easily do without the action and it would save lots of the film’s pace in the first act;
  • 50% of Sator and his wife could be gone too, ugh. Specially the boating “accident” and the following drama. I’d say Protagonist blackmails Kat, Kat introduces Protagonist at dinner (no affair implied), Protagonist does business with Sator and moving on;
  • The battle royale at the final act is eye-popping but is too over indulgent. The whole operation is kinda nonsensical anyways, and it gets too ridiculous if you stop to think about it. Could be trimmed to give more focus to the main characters who are actually recovering the algorithm and not blowing up city ruins for some reason;
  • Lastly, the confrontation between Kat and Sator. Takes waaay too long, but that might be because the warzone sequence just keeps dragging on.

In the end, I think Tenet would benefit greatly with just a reduced runtime and an even pace. Maybe still confusing, but an improved watch of an otherwise entertaining cinema experience.

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#1393530
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Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith, Extended Edition (Released)
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Octorox said:
I personally recommend Hal’s Labyrinth of Evil as my go-to edit for Episode III. His I and II edits are a little too conservative for my tastes, but I think his III mostly strikes the right balance.

Thats exactly how I feel about it, if I may intrude.

Haven’t got around to watching your TPM edit, but I’ve been personally considering L8wrtr’s the gold standard for a while now.

That being said, Sanded Down is my favorite AOTC edit. Sharp, very economic and straightforward. It has a couple of rough cuts, but I can’t stand anything in other approaches that range from Dex, Naboo and the droid factory that would make me choose any of them over yours.

So its great to know you’re still planning a next iteration - hopefully with those edges ironed out and the new upscales included.

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#1386824
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Star Wars: A New Hope (Enhanced Edition) CANCELLED
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Since Adywan’s fixes are being discussed, there’s a little nitpick he does in his edit that I haven’t seen adressed anywhere else yet.

After the inspection team boards the Falcon inside the Death Star and Han and Luke lure in the troopers guarding the hatch, the off-screen altercation that ensues, originally heard with blaster fire, is replaced by a corporal struggle SFX.

It makes way more sense after that to see their stormtrooper guises looking completely pristine (more than assume the troopers missed once again at point blank, that nobody else heard the shooting or that our heroes would execute grunts so frivolously anyways).

I don’t know if its worthy including just that bit of the track but I figure it would be another one of Ady’s fixes to note (that and the wobbly doors, of course 😃).

Looking forward to the completion of yours!

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#1385446
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My 4K AI processed/upscale of Harmy's Star Wars Despecialized 2.7 (Released)
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alexp120 said:

I could use an 1080p upscale of Adywan’s ‘Star Wars:ANH-Revisited’. It was released in 720p.

Although Adywan said that he’ll resume work on this next month, who knows when he’ll be finished. You know how these project owners are: It will be finished when it’s finished.

I second this but of course, regarding ESB:R which actually is in 720p.

Adywan does some sweet sorcery, but its getting harder and harder to take any improvement in HD over the sharpness and detail of (even downscaled) UHD or 4kxx.

So an AI upscale of it would be the bomb. Been seeing lots of these things around and some are really impressive.

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#1384545
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Rise of the Rebellion: A Rogue One Edit (Released)
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DigMod said:

I just checked my link for this edit and Mala’s .srt file was added some time ago. If you need the subtitle file just fill out the edit request form again and you’ll be able to get it. Thanks again Mala!

Are you adding any footage (ie. Odyssey) to your base non-survivor cut that could throw these subs out of sync?

I’m interested in translating them to Brazilian Portuguese, and I can start work on it depending on whether or not the runtime will be the same. If you are, I’ll wait for V2 to come out - if not I’ll do it right away so you can include them in V2 (if you’d like, that is).

What do you say?

Big fan of your edits.

Cheers!