- Padme's skanky wardrobe in AOTC
- Darth Maul
- both TPM lightsabre duels (I thought they did have some emotional content)
- Watto
- (occasionally) Ewan MacGregor's portrayal of Obi Wan
- the sound effect of those mines that Slave-1 dropped during the battle in the asteroids in AOTC
danny_boy said:
theprequelsrule said:
danny_boy said:
If you want to enjoy the original film in all it's analogue glory-
Just stick in your original 1982/83 pan and scan VHS or laserdisc.
At least it is a transfer of the original film before it underwent digital manipulation/restoration.
It has the original 35mm stereo audio track(long before it too was digitized and THXed in subsequent video releases)
And sure the picture is not accurate with regards to color reproduction and image resolution of the cinematic prints BUT the actual tape/laserdisc is from the era that the original Star Wars was last screened theatrically(1982)----hence it has a lot of nostalgic value---and once you start watching you tend not to pay too much attention to the picture/sound quality anyway.
You just enjoy the story and the characters----just like you did when you were in the theater.
On edit_
Ironically due to it's bright color timing-that original 1982 VHS has detail which is not apparent in the 2004 DVD(because it so dark)----it actually allows you to enjoy the film even more.
You know, I agree with this.
Cheers--if I had to make an analogy---in order to enjoy a film's cultural /contemporary aesthetic value----- it would be akin to watching my 2010 2D Avatar blu Ray disc in 2030!----
instead of watching it on my 8/16K playback system that will probably exist at that point in time!(Sharp and Japan's NHK already have a working TV prototype!)
You can't go home again.
Bingowings said:
The other carried over characters are running on fumes in ROTJ.
I agree. This is the main problem of ROTJ, and not the Ewoks.
danny_boy said:
@Bingowings
Mate--I guess it is all subjective---in my personal opinion-from the moment Hamill shouts "never!" to the moment that he says"I am a Jedi--like my father before me"-----he transcends anything he achieved in any of the 3 films.
It is all encapsulated in these few minutes--- the physical prowess and grace as he induces Vader to go backwards--the emotional power as be cascades between anger and control---and finally the realization that he has not submitted himself to the temptation of the dark side and that he has surpassed his own father's failings.
At the time of the films theatrical release----it was a very cathartic moment for the audience---I know---I saw it twice in 83'---and the audience literally sucked it's breath in during this scene(you have to remember that for 5 years prior to ROTJ-1977-82--Vader had relentlessly kicked ass ,so to finally see him get beat was incredibly powerful---something that cannot be replicated by watching the film in 2011 for the 200th time!)
This reads like Victory.
danny_boy said:
If you want to enjoy the original film in all it's analogue glory-
Just stick in your original 1982/83 pan and scan VHS or laserdisc.
At least it is a transfer of the original film before it underwent digital manipulation/restoration.
It has the original 35mm stereo audio track(long before it too was digitized and THXed in subsequent video releases)
And sure the picture is not accurate with regards to color reproduction and image resolution of the cinematic prints BUT the actual tape/laserdisc is from the era that the original Star Wars was last screened theatrically(1982)----hence it has a lot of nostalgic value---and once you start watching you tend not to pay too much attention to the picture/sound quality anyway.
You just enjoy the story and the characters----just like you did when you were in the theater.
On edit_
Ironically due to it's bright color timing-that original 1982 VHS has detail which is not apparent in the 2004 DVD(because it so dark)----it actually allows you to enjoy the film even more.
You know, I agree with this.
Bingowings said:
The only person who comes close is Ian and he is trying his best with some really awful hammy dialogue which he manages to transcend with a genuinely creepy vocal and physical nonchalance (he isn't the Emperor I imagined from the more spooky ESB hologram but that's not his fault).
Making hammy dialogue sound good was one of the things that gives these movies their charm, as Harrison Ford found out ("You can write this shit George, but you can't say it.").
When it doesn't succeed...you get the prequels. All the Star Wars films dance on a razor's edge from becoming spoofs/parodies.
Sharktopus
Bingowings said:
Mark turns in a performance consistent with the rest of the films and that's it really.
I strongly disagree with the above statement. Mark's performance is excellent; far superior to his work in the prior two films. It's not so much about what he says, then what he doesn't say. There is just a quiet sadness to the performance that really gets me when I watch ROTJ; which makes the ending Ewok celebration when he sees the ghosts, and that sadness lifts, so powerful.
Maybe I'm reading to much into it. I am a biased defender of ROTJ afterall!
Harmy said:
I'm not sure what source was used for mastering the Aliens Blu-Ray but it is quite common to use an interpositive (a 2nd generation copy of the original negative) for home video masters. Dupe grain is the grain added by making a copy of a film strip by combining the grain already present in the source with the grain in the film strip onto which it is being copied.
Got it. Thanks Harmy.
Harmy said:
theprequelsrule said:
How does the Alien series quad look
I've only seen Aliens but the transfer was amazing IMO. There was some scare prior to its release when Cameron spoke about personally overseeing the transfer and grain removal but the transfer it really nice and there is a lot of grain. If any grain was removed, it was probably just excessive dupe grain.
Good news at last. A question; what is dupe grain?
Just from screenshots, I like the look of Lee's Technicolor recreation myself. Everyone has different tastes of course.
adywan said:
It's just evolution baby ;)
Evolution is highly overrated.
A lot of interesting info; my thanks to everyone participating in the thread. I know that many transfers (Predator for instance) were quite poorly done. I suspect the videogame generation loves ultaclear images and that is why we get some of those strange looking transfers. How does the Alien series quad look?
Thanks for moving the thread to the correct location BTW. My bad.
There was some discussion about 70mm vs. 35mm film. Is there are reference or thread where I can find more info?
TheBoost said:
theprequelsrule said:
Maybe it's the transfers, I don't know, but I really don't like the look of movies on blu ray. They look, well, cheap; almost like home video.
Please correct me if I am crazy for thinking this.
I'll see you, and raise you that HD TV can look wrong.
I don't know what it is either... can't phrase it but it looks TOO real, too clean, to 'fast' somehow. I'm sure the more tech saavy memebers here can clarify the terms for us.
Partly it's that our eyes are trained to recognize certain types of images as certain things: home movies, standard films, security cameras, Mexican soap operas, and even if we dont consiously identify the different aspects of the video image, our brain categorizes how it looks.
Super HD Blu Ray on a nice HD super TV is a new kind of image, and frankly I'm not sure I prefer it.
I must admit, I loved me some NBA Finals in HD though.
Maybe it's the transfers, I don't know, but I really don't like the look of movies on blu ray. They look, well, cheap; almost like home video.
So I'm not concerned about the lack of blu ray OOT. It's the lack of a nice SD transfer that kills me.
Please correct me if I am crazy for thinking this.
doubleKO said:
P-rule in the house!
Unfortunately I have no opinion on this matter.
Woot woot.
Which is better? If you had asked me that any year over the past 20 years I would have told you Aliens. Now? I'm not so sure.
skyjedi2005 said:
We don't even know if Kurtz's alleged Jedi Treatment is even true and we won't until Rizner's book comes out.
He has already blasted some of the Kurtz hero worship out of the water with the empire book which proves Lucas had much more involvement than fans want to acknowledge.
Yes. We can't let what Lucas has become cloud our judgement on who he was. The man had a great talent for storytelling and filmmaking. Yes, he struggled with dialogue, but from what I have read a lot of the dialogue he wrote was not thrown away, but rather rewritten to be snappier. He was given credit as the writer of Star Wars, and rightly so.
You cannot compare the prequels with ROTJ. ROTJ, despite it's problems, had some of the best moments of the saga. Indeed, if Fisher and Ford were not in coma's during filming then it could have been on pair with the prior films - ewoks or no ewoks.
canofhumdingers said:
I like the idea of having the Emperor do something that shows how powerful the force can be, but not so much this idea specifically. I like the idea of the force being tightly knit with living things. Sure it can move inanimate objects via telepathy, but that's not where the real power lies. The real power lies in the ways it can be used to monipulate or overcome other people (like the mind trick).
See C'baoth, Joruus.
I can't believe I still get mad when I see stuff like this, but when I remember the great director who made THX 1138, American Graffiti, and Star Wars...
danny_boy said:
What would I have done to Jedi?
Nothing.
It is fine as is.
Agreed. This thread is unworthy of OOT fans.
kilik64 said:
I concur. Hopefully its better than 2 though, 2 was decent but they went TOO streamlined from one. Hopefully this one has a nice balance.
Agreed. Where's my TPS/RPG hybrid Bioware?
Harmy said:
I thought McDiarmid was horrible in ROTS. He acts like a 4th grader doing a parody of the ROTJ Emperor.
Agreed. WTF happened?
zombie84 said:
Also, the acting coach in ROTS seems to have been mainly for Portman and Christensen. The focus was on developing the background of their new stage of relationship (married, baby, etc.) and also acting as a "rehearsal arbirtrar" to get more time to hone the performance. I think it shows tremendously. Their chemistry works better. They still have shitty dialogue, but their acting is better. Look at Clones, they are both awful in that film, and even though ROTS is not worth writing home about for performances (McGreggor and McDiarmid being the exceptions, as they were in the previous film), Portman and Christensen as a couple seem a lot more natural and a lot more convincing than the near-parody that is seen in the previous entry.
There were some good moments in ROTS (notably the Padme and Anakin intercutting scene when Anakin is grappling with whether or not to interfere in the showdown between the Jedi posse and Palpatine). The reason I find it so disappointing is because, of all the prequels, it was the one that had to be great and it wasn't. All in all I thought ROTS was edited together really poorly and came across as being less than the sum of it's parts.
CP3S said:
theprequelsrule said:
TV's Frink said:
theprequelsrule said:
I love the idea of that thread...alas, it's too late for me.
Ask for your account to be abandoned and make a new one...or ask for a name change, though I don't remember if that is possible or not.
I think at this point I'll stick with it. Thanks for the info though.
I for one rather like your name. Though when you first showed up my first thoughts were oh great, here comes a PT gusher. The thought that you might be some past troll's sock crossed my mind as well. You turned out to be a pleasant surprise and a lot of fun though.
Thanks. I try to be fun. That's us OOT fans these days; if we stop laughing, we'll start crying.