thejediknighthusezni

Another great problem with modern Hollywood that is influencing screenwriting is the obsession with creating cool shots and clever quips for the trailer and the effort to just get as many people in the first weekend before it’s realized that there is no substance.

Solution? Alter the split with the theaters. Studios get most of opening Friday and the exhibitors take Saturday and Sunday. Studios would then get the lion’s share of Monday thru second Thursday. Regigger everything so it still comes out about 50/50 in the end, but remove the perverse incentives to fixate on the tricks for opening weekend.

Studios would have to make back their money by crafting quality films rather than with marketing hype.

STAR TREK: BEYOND

Saw it again. It’s even better when you know what to expect. Fun picking out the great references.

It’s into what, 7th week? It was still pulling some people into the theater. I hope that bodes well for the future.

You needed to shift into overdrive and get back to '79 to do something about the music industry.

DuracellEnergizer said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

Really?

Forgive my ignorance (not being sarcastic here) but what is the basis for getting into Heaven?

Repentance. Believing that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God, who died, was buried, and was resurrected. In theory, if Mother Theresa didn’t believe that, but my lazy ass did, I’d go to heaven and she’d go to hell.

If this was the only brand of Christianity around, I’d probably be anti-Christian.

Thank God there’s moderate, progressive, and liberal Christianity, though.

Also known as unbiblical Christianity.

With these three options to choose from:

1. Take the Bible at 100% face value and worship a vengeful, manipulative, bipolar, murderous God.
2. Take the Bible at 100% face value and reject God altogether
3. Recognize the Bible as a flawed product of man, separate the wheat from the chaff, and worship a fair, merciful, loving God

I’ll go with #3 every time.

Maybe, I just don’t see the value of a religious text (I’m not religious by the way; I just read it like a book, I find it interesting) that is flawed. How do you know which parts are the inspired ones?

Since most Christians say that their faith is based on Christ, I suggest Christians do exactly that. Take the four canonical gospels, glean the central spiritual and moral teachings of Christ from them, and then evaluate the rest of the Bible – the Old Testament and the remaining portions of the New Testament both – through that lens. Where the Bible is compatible with Christ’s teachings, accept it; where the Bible is incompatible with Christ’s teachings, regard it as inconsequential and don’t follow it; where the Bible is neutral in regard to Christ’s teachings, use your discretion to come to a conclusion.

Jesus promised over and over and over that the unrelenting would be cast into burning fire for eternity, He fashioned whips and thrashed the moneychangers, He commanded Christians to sell their garments and walk about half-naked rather than go without weapons to carve the guts out of those who would harm them or their brothers and sisters…

The NT isn’t nearly as incompatible with the OT as you seem to think.

I’m acronym challenged. WYRS?

This centuries-long argument between ‘saved by grace’ and ‘faith needs good works’ is like watching the blind-folded men and the elephant.

Paul was warning against imagining that works will save. There are too many improper motivations for works. Fear of punishment, lust for rewards, thirst for honor among men… You can quickly take your eyes off the bouncing ball. It is devotion that results from the realization of the free gifts for salvation that comes first. Remember Jesus and the sisters. You shouldn’t be so concerned with being a proper host/hostess that you completely lose sight of the purpose of the gathering.

James was concerned with the causal link between faith and works. Simply believing that the Deity will do this or has done that, without it affecting the world in some positive way, is a dead faith. It has no activity. It probably has no Grace attached to it. James was exhorting the faithful to let works affirm and reinforce their faith.

DuracellEnergizer said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

Really?

Forgive my ignorance (not being sarcastic here) but what is the basis for getting into Heaven?

Repentance. Believing that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God, who died, was buried, and was resurrected. In theory, if Mother Theresa didn’t believe that, but my lazy ass did, I’d go to heaven and she’d go to hell.

If this was the only brand of Christianity around, I’d probably be anti-Christian.

Thank God there’s moderate, progressive, and liberal Christianity, though.

Also known as unbiblical Christianity.

With these three options to choose from:

1. Take the Bible at 100% face value and worship a vengeful, manipulative, bipolar, murderous God.
2. Take the Bible at 100% face value and reject God altogether
3. Recognize the Bible as a flawed product of man, separate the wheat from the chaff, and worship a fair, merciful, loving God

I’ll go with #3 every time.

Or #4. You are too inexperienced and too much influenced by the spin of the Luciferian false church to properly interpret Scripture (you have plenty of “ordained” company), and #5. Your pathetically limited human perspective cannot even begin to grasp the Big Picture.

Vengeful manipulative bi-polar murderous?
What’s wrong with a vengeful Deity? You live in a vengeful society that is supposed to punish criminals so that individual victims don’t have to do it themselves. You got a problem with that?
Influencing, pushing, pulling along a path that is ultimately for the best could be called manipulative.
I don’t see bi-polar, unless you are referring to that Luciferian spin about "Don’t ever judge, turn the other cheek, obey all powers claiming to be government no matter how depraved and evil…
Just execution or assisting the servants of evil to fall to earthly agencies is not murder.

If someone stuck a 357 in your ear and said “Help those orphans and feed those nuns.”, you would quickly outdo Mother Theresa for good works. Your motivations must be taken into account. Many will say that they cast out demons and spread the Gospel and Jesus will tell those workers of iniquity to depart.

Genuinely good works, those with the right motivation, are the product and not the building blocks of sincere devotion to The Logos or The Law.

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

This is interesting.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/when-does-praying-in-public-make-others-uncomfortable/

what about silently praying, without asking anyone to join in?

“I’ll pray for you,” Silverman hears, “You’re different from me and I’ll pray for you to change.

to be clear, that is never what I mean, when I say “I’ll pray for you”. When I pray for someone, pray for the help they need with whatever problem they are dealing with, or wisdom to deal with said problem. I normally reserve the “I’ll pray for you” comment, for when someone tells me they are facing serious difficulty or something like that.

I believe Christians are required to behave with decent conventionality out in general public spaces for regular day-to-day affairs. They shouldn’t make a spectacle of themselves or be disruptive. It isn’t difficult to pray without doing what is likely to draw attention.

Home or specifically Christian gatherings are the place for display.

If atheists engage in a discussions involving religion they shouldn’t get their noses out of joint at an “I’ll pray for you”.

Missionary or evangelical work for those who honestly feel called can be tricky. They should make their points and shake the dust from their feet if they don’t get a positive response. Precious things shouldn’t be subject to hard sell.

I thought a thread for general news and discussion of the movie industry might be interesting. I’ll start by serving a nice cocktail…

The Academy Awards are wrecking cinema.

It’s too much a playground for wannabe artistes and socially enlightened posers. It’s to the point that a shoe-in for sweeping the show seems culpable of rape and homicide.

The purpose of the enterprise is to gain as much commercial success as possible by providing the greatest entertainment possible to the widest possible audience. The awards as currently constituted are too much a diversion of some of the best resources away from the core mission.

Solution? Maybe require the films to earn a threshold amount at the DOMESTIC box office (it’s the AMERICAN ACADEMY…) to become eligible for any of the awards. Set the sales bar high enough to exclude the artsy and important prestige nonsense.

The industry should provide the best artistic product in the films targeted to the mass audiences. Send the best talent and attention there. 😃

My dad took us to see Willy Wonka. I think he got at least as much of a kick out of it as we did.

RIP and may you be judged worthy, Mr. Wilder

This all stems from the refusal, in the face of every imperative, to toss out EVERYTHING received from the Catholic abomination. Scripture must be approached as if for the first time and with a determination to accept what is there. There must also be a determination to resolve any apparent contradiction with Logic, Common Sense, and natural True Law.

Your favorite team has reached the Super Bowl. The opposing team has a record of placing bounties and violating rules to injure the stars of your team. You can go into the stadium with the hope that there will be none of that nastiness and that the rival team will sincerely repent of the error of their ways. At the same time, You can be OUTRAGED and utterly disgusted by the attitude and practices of that gang of thugs. You can resolve to shout and do any other Lawful thing to stop the goons and encourage the officials to uphold the rules.

Christians are commanded to pray for the leaders and peoples who might cause them troubles that there can be peace. They are to do so without anger and contentiousness. At the same time, Christians are commanded, through Scripture and Natural Law, to be horrified by and oppose evil and hurtfulness with constant judgement and the courage to undertake any necessary action to stop cruelty that is ordained by our Creator through Scripture and Natural Law.

Where the HHHHHYYYYYYYEEEEEELLLLLLL is the contradiction?!?!?

I pray EVERY DAY, and sometimes several times a day, that our indescribably CRUEL and DEPRAVED elite will be moved by our Creator or anyone and anything else to clap themselves on the forehead and say “Gee, we really need to knock off this INSANITY” Praying that others will repent and rejoin humanity cannot be experienced with anger and contentiousness. They are mutually exclusive emotional states.

O…T…O…H, when not in earnest prayer for peace, I certainly can feel FURIOUS OUTRAGE and UTTER DISGUST for those enlightened ones and their designs. I certainly can find the COWARDICE and CORRUPTION of their willing tools and shills UTTERLY VOMITOUS and HORRIFYING. I certainly can call upon our LORD to uphold His Word of Honor and provide a full measure of Justice to the unrelenting and the cowardly. I certainly can call upon any other person and power to take every ordained action. I certainly can keep myself from being a HYPOCRITE.

Our reactions must be consistant with the degree of evil faced. This business of handing over our children to the will of HEINOUS MONSTERS because we “can’t be judgmental” and laying the heads of our family and neighbors on the chopping block because we “must not be contentious” is it’s own form of INCALCULABLE DEPRAVITY.

BEN HUR

I haven’t seen the 50’s version. I went in with no expectations.

I thought it was well done. There were some historical inaccuracies (I’m guessing they were in the original 19th century novel) and it seemed a little rushed in places (again I’m guessing to cover the many things in the novel.) Performances were great and all other aspects were fine.

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It seems a little miraculous that such a remake would be greenlighted. Why another one?

Oh well, we gained an important message about forgiveness in these troublous times. With ‘The Big Glitch’ and ‘The Great Culling’ and all, we need to be reminded.

We all need to remember that, as children and grandchildren, nieces and nephews, brothers and sisters are raped to death, our hearts must ENTIRELY be set upon rapturously loving the murderous hordes. If we don’t, an angel cries. If, while the latter day Romans and their auxillaries tear apart family and neighbors in the most agonizing ways, we fail to forgive with all our hearts and love the Roman Satanists more than anyone else, Catholic Jesus has a sad. IF YOU DARE, for one moment, try to remember that they could have, knowing this was coming, stockpiled everything necessary to protect the entire population for a tiny fraction of annual gov’t budgets, instead of praying with all your soul that the psychopathic Luciferians who set us all up will receive salvation and heaven, Catholic God will think YOU are a TOTAL DICK.

No, It is those hateful Christians who cry “How long, Lord?” who deserve to watch it all happen to their loved ones. Catholic God will cast THEM into Hell.

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They say BEN HUR is the only fictional novel approved by the Popes.

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All of Hollywood seems to be drifting into some bad habits. Loose narrative structure, logic within the context of the fictional verse, pacing, dumbing down, fewer concerns for the potential of the English language…

I suspect the new digital recording is contributing to this. Back in the day, filmmakers knew they couldn’t shoot 10 million feet of film. This generated a greater discipline and determination to get all their ducks in a row during prepro.

The only solution I can think of is to place those electric dog collars on the necks of screenwriters and directors and ZAP them very, very, VERY HARD the moment they seem to stop regarding every minute of shoot time as if it is worth 10 million dollars.

I suspect the greatest problem is the desire to pander to the expanding international audience. The fear that non-Anglophones(N-AP) won’t understand the nuances of the English language or appreciate Western methods and so they dumb down and speed up everything to carry people along with visuals.

Hollywood is embedded in the Western, Judeo-Christian, Anglophone world. It is what it is. It shouldn’t try to be part of some amorphous LCD globalist borg-blob. Half it’s audience is in the Major AngloPhone Nations(MAPN).

Solution? Make two cuts for every major production. The MAPN cut and the N-AP cut. Every Hollywood production should, IN EVERY WAY, be crafted EXCLUSIVELY for the MAPNs. As far as the screenwriters and directors and editors are concerned, N-APs DO NOT EXIST. They must use the subtleties of language and idiom and cultural traditions to full effect for their ONLY audience. The only exceptions would be to bring special international-market script doctors and assistant directors and assistant editors to add simple humor or shots, alter pace or cut what they believe wouldn’t work. The studio suits could scratch their “gotta make it work for the non-English crowd!” itch. They could play both cuts for foreign test-audiences. If the focus groups prefer the N-AP cut, they release two cuts. If not, MAPN cut all the way.

Wow. Another significant part of my childhood. having him within really brought R2 to life.

RIP and resurrect to glory.

Also, as in GB and ANH, it could have a great mystery slowly unfold. Neither the Squad or the audience knows exactly what they will be facing until later.

Well, those are my thoughts. Any others, or should we allow the thread to drift off?

SilverWook said:

thejediknighthusezni said:

SilverWook said:

New details on Discovery. Set 10 years before TOS!
http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/star-trek-discovery-gay-character-cbs-all-access-1201835052/

When oh when will they feature hot man-on-goat love in Trek? They are supposed to be progressive. Children and suggestable teens need to understand that their parents who DARE to object are PURE EVIL and deserve to SUFFER AND DDDIIIEEEEEEE!!!

Close enough? 😉

LOL! Sulu sure seems to think that will do nicely.

SilverWook said:

New details on Discovery. Set 10 years before TOS!
http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/star-trek-discovery-gay-character-cbs-all-access-1201835052/

When oh when will they feature hot man-on-goat love in Trek? They are supposed to be progressive. Children and suggestable teens need to understand that their parents who DARE to object are PURE EVIL and deserve to SUFFER AND DDDIIIEEEEEEE!!!

Step 2: Hard-R all the way. The moment they heard that a Deadpool movie had been greenlit they should have suspended all but R rated scriptwriting for Squad. Let Fox test the waters. This Squad is very uneven in tone and mood with PG-13 here and hardcore mass murder over there. Brutal and insane with as much dark comedy as possible.

Step 3: Character/story structure. WB-DC did it to me twice within a few months. I was sold on a Titanic struggle between B&S, and a wild group led by and centered on Joker and Harley.

It could have had the four character archetypes and the other-worldly and mystical super threat found in Ghostbusters and, indeed, ANH. But it would have tremendous insanity and criminality ladled over the top. Great passions and instabilities.

Han/Peter/Joker, Leia/Egon/Harley, Luke/Ray/Deadshot, and Ben/Dana/Waller. Utterly twisted and bizaaro world versions of these types. H/P/J is self-involved and sardonic and skeptical and always wise-cracking and quipping, L/E/H is analytical and clinical and practical while incredibly toying and manipulative, L/R/D is the heart and soul though murderous, B/D/W is foreseeing and alert to the threats and driving for the solution while joining the group a bit later than the others and brutal in her methods. Joker and Harley would be out front throughout and there would be versions of the droids and Chewie and Moranis and Hudson and Genine and the X pilots.

Davis could definitely handle it and I believe Robbie could play her expanded role very well. The Joker would require someone very skilled with black humor, genuinely funny. If Leto would have difficulty, I would have cast with male-model headshots and high school yearbooks until I found someone with the right physical qualities and a natural gift for sardonic wit. Smith was the best part of this PG-13 version. Nobody can do Will Smith better than Will Smith. But Will Smith is very PG. I missed him in ID:R. I wish he would have gone there and used his personality and clout to fix that film. I’d have cast a hard-R menacing badass instead.

Step 4: Logical and sensible within it’s fictional universe. Why not call in Batman and Flash? Waller could learn that the outside threat deals very harshly with any power that dares to oppose it. Plausible Deniability. They assemble a team that no responsible authority would ever entrust to do anything. Officially they act entirely on their own.

I’ll start by saying it wasn’t that bad, imo. There was very little Joker and Harley was almost secondary to what became another Will Smith vehicle, but for a PG-13 version I thought it was passing serviceable.

But it’s not the movie I would have made, and even the best is subject to improvement. Let’s try our hand at it.

First, I’ll confess that I’ve never been a great follower of the DC verse. AW BATMAN and LC WW were hokey fun from my childhood, '89 and the Nolan BATMANS were interesting and I enjoyed 79 SUPERMAN, but that’s about it.

Step one would be fixing the entire verse. I thought WATCHMEN was quite good, (I had no expectations going in) but after seeing Batman v Supes I believe the criticism of MOS. I liked the casting and performances of BvS, but story and direction were a bit of a mess. The Bvs fight should have been the climax, WW should have had more of a role with very little or no Lois, and, above all, there are a hundred ways to skin a cat and at least a HUNDRED BILLION different ways to pit the heroes against each other. Most of those would be awful, but they should have kept at it until they found a few that made sense.

Step one: The first mission of the squad should have been to find the rock Joss Whedon is hiding behind and drag him back under a baseball bat to, like, fix this sh@#. Avengers1 was great and Ultron was quite good. What problems there were in Ultron were mostly due to the need to service the entire universe of films, lack of time to develop the wonderful supervillain and his shifting motivations, and the dark second act structure with somber characters. It should have been a brighter standalone. No more trying to out-Nolan Nolan. Batman is Gothic and Hulk is a quasi-tragic figure. They should be dark and brooding to a degree. For the other characters it should be remembered that this all comes from the comic books. They should be colorful and fun and have some good humor.

More in next post…

STAR TREK: BEYOND

They wanted Fast and Furious and they certainly got it.

The characters and cast were great. A solid story with some good humor. The homages and nods to the past movies and shows came fast and thick and were well integrated. I thought Pegg and friend did a great job with the script. The visuals and CG environments were outstanding. The CG really works for Trek. I suppose all the past plywood, Styrofoam and cloth demands at least some slight bit of unreality.

On the whole, it worked, but there were some serious problems, all linked to the overarching problem of the dizzying pacing.

(Just to be safe) SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS

Here, now there, now off to the next thing. Just not enough time to develope some important plot points. It created some missed opportunities. The villain was a great concept and might have been a more powerful twist if the video had been viewed a couple more times throughout the movie with some more hints and suggestion of mutagenic compounds and expo of the alien race and weapons. kirk is frustrated with having to deal with these alien ways to the point of wanting a desk job. His decision to turn back for Jayla might have been more powerful with some more earlier pauses and impatience. I know it is a ST trope that they quickly concoct fantastical solutions with the limited resources at hand. Overall, the greatest problem with pace was the problem-suggestion-decision-implementation cycle seemed like it was less than 20 seconds. I was still trying to grasp a vague idea of what they were doing and they would almost have it solved. A few seconds more to ponder, protest, drop expo and prepare would have been helpful and had greater credibility.

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While the pacing was more a hurt than help on the whole, it was, nonetheless, a significant help. It created a sense of…exuberance and abandon. Certainly plenty of energy. Pace and villain developement aside, it seemed well directed. For the future, maybe dial back a little from 09 and STID instead of warp 57.

This movie occupies a space with others like Thor:TDW with it’s odd logistics and unclear motivations. An odd feeling that I should be more annoyed with it than I am.

“Yeah, sure, why not? That was a fun run with some likable characters and cool environments.”

I like these new films and was glad to have another.

RicOlie_2 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I feel like this should be a red flag for Christians. At my most faithful I was always against Lutheranism and Calvinism too for the exact same reason.

So what did Christians do before the Bible was a thing? Before the biblical canon was established, some held The Shepherd of Hermas and other non-canonical books to be canonical, while other rejected Revelation or the Epistle of James. The books of the New Testament were not even completed until around 150, over a hundred years after Jesus’ crucifixion.

The Bible does not even declare itself to be the only source of true doctrine, so what authority decided that it was? 2 Thessalonians 2:15 says “So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us.” That’s more or less what the Church has always done. It doesn’t introduce brand new doctrines. Almost invariably, they have their roots in the earliest days of the Church.

Some hold Harry Potter to be canonical and some would claim the rearrangement of the stars into text as non-canonical.

Completed 150 AD? That’s MAJOR progress. The atheist claim used to be that it was all concocted by Constantine’s scribes around 330AD. The NT keeps being confirmed by the serious scholars as having been produced in it’s claimed timeframe before 90AD.

It’s VERY disturbing to see Catholics so radically devoted to discrediting the Bible. It’s for the purpose of maintaining their own Luciferian doctrines.

2Thes2:15 Instructs Christians to stand firm with what they were taught by letter or word BY THE APOSTLES AND DISCIPLES OF THE TIME OF 2THES. It certainly does not allow for any group of closeted homosexuals dressed as Harry Potter wizards to come along hundreds or thousands of years later and establish any new doctrinal whims because they formed a circle-jerk and voted that Peter would have been thrilled.

Do you remember being in kindergarten and playing a new game with other kids? Remember how the children would change the rules of the game on-the-fly? How ridiculous it ended up being? Yeah, Luciferians LLLLOOOOOOOOVVVVVVE having that kind of latitude, for obvious reasons. That the whole exercise becomes ridiculous and discredited is a TREMENDOUS bonus for them.

Bottom line, any instruction we receive must be closed and must not be so undeniable that it is like the teacher writing all the answers on the chalkboard before the math test.

Wadyakno, that’s exactly what we got.

CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE

It spent the first twenty minutes in mind numbing set-up. As someone who holds to the ‘Ten Minute Rule’ (if it doesn’t present itself as a good comedy or action-drama or horror… within the first ten minutes, it’s very unlikely it will do so thereafter), I was surprised to see this show come-back and provide a steady flow of light and mild humor to the end.

The budget obviously wasn’t enormous but the cast was likeable and on-point.

Hart did a fine job, but having two non-white characters tended to create yet another racial-demonization situation. After DARING to think that a predator might be a predator, the most horrible and unforgivable evil in the world is the “epidemic” of cruel bullying by every white guy on the planet. Just what we need now. Jason Bateman might have done better as the straightman to Johnson, without the hate-mongering issue (assuming they wanted to avoid it.) It might have increased the odd-couple factor, as well.

On the plus side, we all learn that the new CIA is made up of people of color who understand the plight of those who know that every school yard tiff is a horror beyond description and entirely the fault of straight white guys and not whiney effeminate self-righteous pricks. Sure makes those who DARE to worry about the billions of people devastated by self-righteous homosexuals look evil and stupid, huh?

It worked in a very mild way, but I hope there is no sequel.

RicOlie_2 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

RicOlie_2 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Again, the main difference between Catholicism and Christianity is that Catholicism revolves around a Church that operates no differently than a secular government. Church and state are merged in Catholicism. Christianity, according to the Bible, is incredibly submissive and is inherently passive. Given the contradictions between Hitler’s own speech, it’d be unwise to call him a “Christian”, in fact, he’s often inaccurately referred to as an atheist.

I find it interesting that you declare the Catholic Church to be not Christian based on the New Testament, which was, as it happens, assembled and defined by synods and councils of the Church:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synod_of_Hippo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Councils_of_Carthage#Synod_of_397

Note how the Council of Carthage, in addition to listing the agreed-upon books of the Bible, recommends that the martyrs be honoured on their feast days, and clearly mentions priests. In other words, when the New Testament was assembled, certain Catholic teachings were the norm throughout the majority of Christendom.

Those were ecumenical to a degree, not exclusively Catholic, and were before the Catholic Church had its monopoly on biblical interpretation. Ironically, the Catholic Church throughout European history was the greatest enemy to those who actually wanted to read the Bible.

What do you mean by “not exclusively Catholic”? I could do my research, I suppose, but I don’t really have the time at the moment.

Just to be clear, I was always against Lutheranism and Calvinism as well. Lol.

Fair enough.

At the time of the assimilation, There were still many leaders of the congregations who were sincerely trying to interpret inspired Scripture, rather than twist it to suit the needs of the political elite.

The Canon existed for hundreds of years before the final compilation. The Epistles and Gospels were lovingly kept, carefully copied and shared with the other bishoprics throughout the empire. Doubtless one of the criteria for selection was the existence of multiple copies long held in great esteem. For the snakes to do otherwise would invite a furious uproar and rejection of their supposed right to lead.

But these mystery cult Luciferians had other reasons for DISIRING the True Canon. That type of character is a psychopathic liar always seeking a sick thrill from the ability to twist and deceive. The more powerful and True, the greater the depraved satisfaction from destroying it and the people who yearn for it. Also, they know that the more attractive and right, the more adherents they can ensnare.