thebluefrog

stickydixon said:

Agreed.
Simple Recolour:
Before

After

I get a strong Star Trek vibe from these new uniforms.

The thing about the southern Stormtrooper scene is that, with a bit of searching, better dialogue could be inserted easily after removing Tom Hardy’s jokey lines. Since all you need is dialogue that intimidates Finn, you could theoretically have the trooper say anything. It doesn’t have to be recognition, it could be something like “Officer, is there something the matter?” and a single line from Jon Boyega saying “…No.”

With the right music cue and timing it’d work great.

There may be a way to use the audiobook to expand some scenes.

For example, TFA has more Snoke dialogue and exposition about his motivations and character, used here to expand a scene where he talks to Kylo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP-hJQyHpV8

Perhaps a similar idea can be used with TLJ.

Speaking of voiceovers, I believe the Disney Infinities video game line uses some voice actors from TFA. There may be some sources of dialogue there too.

On a different note, perhaps there would be a way to combine some of the dialogue from the Phasma deleted scene with the current scene. The unfinished scene’s SFX make it hard to use, but maybe some splicing could make it work.

OutboundFlight said:

Sith Obi-Wan and Anakin fighting on radioactive planet

If you really wanted to make the scene more unnerving for SW fans who’ve seen it before, mirror the image to the action goes the other direction, left to right.

That, plus the eerie coloring, and if you added some strange music, would really make the scene super disturbing.

I wonder if any of the TLJ video games have any useful audio and dialogue that could be used?

May I please request access as well?

ChainsawAsh said:

thebluefrog said:

natedeug said:

I used Pilusmagnus’s Extended Edition (available over in the FanEdit.org forums) as a base, which included the following additional deleted scenes:

Hey there, I can’t seem to find this edition anywhere. In fact I can’t even find Pilusmagnus at all on fanedit.org.

Is there another keyword I should be searching for? If I look up Jedi in the fanedit.org search it doesn’t have anything beyond 2017.

It’s currently on page 2 of the In the Works section of the forum. If you aren’t registered at the fanedit.org forum yet, you might not be able to access that section.

Thank you for that.

natedeug said:

I used Pilusmagnus’s Extended Edition (available over in the FanEdit.org forums) as a base, which included the following additional deleted scenes:

Hey there, I can’t seem to find this edition anywhere. In fact I can’t even find Pilusmagnus at all on fanedit.org.

Is there another keyword I should be searching for? If I look up Jedi in the fanedit.org search it doesn’t have anything beyond 2017.

Good luck on this one!!! Looks good so far.

Consider editing in a shot of the saber falling (maybe from another film?). Also, the silence of Rey following him would work better than the voiceover, the music tells the story fine.

An idea I had was to completely change Canto Bight by using Beyoga’s footage from Pacific Rim: Uprising. There may be a way to make it all fit with the right editing.

I strongly suspect the deleted scenes will open up a whole new world of possible edits and storyline changes for everyone here. Like, just with the Canto stuff alone, the whole sequence could be redone and made more relevant.

Like, imagine if there’s enough dialogue to add a single line that would explain away a lot of the complaints about lack of exposition:

DJ : You know this Snoke? War profiteer.

A single line like that would explain Snoke’s entire power and presence.

Everyone seems to be agreeing Episode 9 will be A New Order.

Just watch Rian or JJ or whoever spends more time online see that and then deliberately subvert it.

Anyways:

Episode 1: Focus
Episode 2: Blind
Episode 3: Eye
Episode 4: Wide
Episode 5: Blink
Episode 6: Tear
Episode 7: Stare
Episode 8: Closed
Episode 9: Opened

Anakin Starkiller said:

I wouldn’t too much about a dissonance in how advanced the camerawork is. I think it’s something that’s easy enough to overlook. At most you might need to add a shot or two that fit modern standards into OT so they feel less out of place, but much of that has already been done with the SE anyways.

In regards to episode length, how about the standard 22 minutes? I certainly don’t think it should be cut down to the length of a single scene.

Also, I’ve been thinking of adding a slight visual filter to hide the difference between lifelike CG cinematics and actual live-action. This could perhaps also help hide the difference in style between scenes shot in different decades. Maybe it could even hide film defects in OT deleted scenes. Idk. Just a though.

Btw, you should probably remove the Boba Fett film from you intial post, since that’s > definitely not happening ATM.

I’ll edit that out.

The thing I said above about this project being far too big for several years from now is still an issue. There’s just not enough material in the same eras to make it work. Unless it had a ton of flashbacks, there’s no way to reconcile the 3 different eras. So for a character anthology-style series like Thrones, which intercuts between different characters but at the same time, I’d need way way way more movies set in the same era.

So if they release Kenobi in like 2020, MAYBE there’s a way to edit in:

Solo - Kenobi - Rogue 1

together.

Until then, there just isn’t enough material. But I think there will be, someday.

That being said…maybe this project can take a different identity. I think the shorter vignette style is the way to go, just like the original Tartakovsky clone wars. Your LOTR idea has merit, but the issue is also that Sauruman looks so different than Dooku. I don’t have the digital editing skills to change Sauruman’s hair, so it would break any suspension of belief of the viewer.

There’s 3 options for Leia:

1. Die offscreen between movies.
2. Recast/CGI.
3. Find a way to relocate her character out of the main events.

1 is the most likely. 2 would cause massive fan backlash. 3 would be incredibly awkward to write and would break audience investment moreso than TLJ did at times. JJ could do that, though, he has a habit of just not explaining things and just moving past quickly. Star Trek was full of that.

So it depends on whether there’s a timeskip.

If no timeskip, then probably something like it begins with Leia’s funeral, which wouldn’t require much cgi or actor standins and would probably be respectful enough for the fandom. Something that parallels Padme’s funeral, maybe.

But If there’s a timeskip of like 5 years or something, they can dodge that altogether. I just whipped this up as an example:

[Resistance ship: Admiral POE DAMAERON is making a speech on a slightly raised dais in front of the crowd; he’s still the brash young pilot we know but now has years of maturity and leadership under his belt. He stands tall and gestures with confidence.]

Poe: …it’s not over yet. We’ve got to make this one last push, we have to honor the sacrifices of everyone who came before us. Han Solo proved there is always another way out. Luke Skywalker showed that this new “Supreme Leader” is a joke. And General Organa…Leia…she showed us there is always hope; there is ALWAYS hope. The fact that we are here, now, proves they will live forever, and as long as we remember them, the resistance will never die! Today we strike back, today is when we show the galaxy that there are still heroes, and they fight along side us! Today we BECOME the heroes!

[Crowd cheering, raising weapons, clapping, FINN and ROSE especially. As everyone goes to their stations, FINN climbs up to the dais to talk.]

Finn: Great speech, Admiral.

Poe: [smiles] You don’t have to call me that.

Finn: Names are important, but so are accomplishments. [Looks over the bridge from their elevated angle] They all believe in you.

Poe: …I believe in everyone. We’re going to win this.

Finn: Yeah…we are. [Smiles with assurance from Poe’s leadership.] See you out there, Admiral. [Shakes hand and then heads off the bridge.]

[POE pauses, then heads into his cabin off to the side.]

[POE’s cabin: very sparse. He is sitting and talking to someone off-camera. Body language is completely different; he is slumped over, unsure, hunched over.]

Poe: Are we really going to win? Is this how you would have done it? What would you say to me right now? [Pause] Probably something about how stupid and reckless this plan was, but that I would do it anyways. [Chuckles sadly.] Sometimes I worry if victory is really worth the price. What hope is there when there’s nothing to hope FOR? Is it worth winning if you have to lose everything?

[Camera pan: He’s talking to a small white shrine, a few rocks, a small plant, a holographic picture of Leia, similar to those in Padme’s house, is there, smiling. It is the total opposite of KYLO’s shrine for VADER’s helmet, whereas that was black ashes, this has white salt from CRAIT.]

Poe: But I guess you kept going, even when you lost everything, didn’t you. That’s really what you taught me, why you entrusted this to me. It’s only been a few years but I always wondered why, why me. Did you question yourself like this? [Pause.] You did…that’s IS why, isn’t it; that’s why you trusted me, because I was willing to question myself but still keep fighting and finding a way out of things. Even when there was no hope back on Crait, you let my hope guide everyone. I regret not having the chance to thank you for that; losing you so soon after still hurts to this very day. [Tears up slightly, but regains composure and stands up in front of her.] But now I can thank you properly. Today will be our victory, to show that hope lives forever.

[He salutes her small grave.]

This is for you, Admiral Leia Organa.

This is a crazy idea but what if the upcoming film with Boyega, Pacific Rim 2, could somehow be edited to change Finn’s story?

I mean I liked the madcap action of the Casino but imagine instead he, say, had to hijack a gigantic mech instead.

It’s not a bad idea, Anakin Starkiller. It would take heavy editing of the dialogue, possibly to the point of redubbing from OTHER Lee films, but it’s potentially feasible. The thing about editing in OTHER movies is that it has to flow somehow, otherwise it breaks suspension of viewer’s belief. So in other words, it can’t cut from Han talking in 1977 Falcon to 2001 LOTR camerawork.

I think the best possible way to do something like this is to make it really really really small clips, like Clone Wars Cartoon style vignettes, barely 5 minutes at most. Tell tiny little stories that fans COULD imagine were part of a larger narrative. Edit other small snippets of other movies into plausible SW scenarios.

Anakin Starkiller said:

thebluefrog said:

There’s several sci-fi/fantasy movies with the SW cast members that have them in scenarios that could be edited slightly to fit an anthology storyline.

Jon Boyega is in Pacific Rim 2.
Natalie Portman is in Annihilation.
Liam Neeson is in several fantasy films pre-Phantom Menace.
Harrison Ford is in Blade Runner, Cowboys and Aliens, Ender’s Game
Voiceovers by Mark Hamill in cartoons.
Daisy Ridley’s voiceover work in The Eagle Huntress
Plus more examples that I’ll be looking for over time, including video game cutscenes and voice acting.

All of these examples would have to be heavily trimmed, possibly even using foreign dubs and subtitles, but I think it’s possible to fit them into Star Wars.

In fact I think it would be a good idea for the fanedit community as a whole to have a list of potential OTHER movies that some lines of dialogue and shots could be plausibly used.

That’s great and all, but that’s not gonna be enough to create entire new episodes. If it were that easy, I would’ve made new Eighth Doctor adventures long ago.

You are probably right, there’s just not enough material. Perhaps a much much smaller project could utilize the footage. Like, say, a 10 minute short about Qui-Gon’s training.

Example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27M5KWI_q50

I’m sure some of that footage could be edited and redubbed as young Qui-Gon’s early Jedi days or something.

This is very awesome. I hope this team continues along so we have a “modern” VFX version to compare just for fun.

Anakin Starkiller said:

You say there’d be tons of movies to work with, but then go on to say that 3 of them are in the wrong timeframe. Also, ESB and RotJ are too far from the rest but the gap between RotS and ANH is no big deal? Even filling in that gap with spinoffs, you still have much big gaps. In your place, I would just use it all. If you wanted to, you could make TPM take place not long before AotC by simply making young Anakin a different character. Sure, it’s not a perfect solution, but it works. However, that doesn’t really matter when you’re still stuck with much larger time skips between trilogies that can’t be ironed out so easily. Maybe with a lot of work, you could pad out the gap between RotS and ANH using spinoffs (like placing RO opening where it would be chronoligcally mixed in with…some other stuff), but good luck trying to smoothly transition from RotJ to TFA.

Yeah, I realize. This project is definitely far too big for right now as there’s not enough live-action material. I’d have to wait until at least 5 years from now to have enough spinoff films to work with.

However, that being said…there may be another way to do this.

There’s several sci-fi/fantasy movies with the SW cast members that have them in scenarios that could be edited slightly to fit an anthology storyline.

Jon Boyega is in Pacific Rim 2.
Natalie Portman is in Annihilation.
Liam Neeson is in several fantasy films pre-Phantom Menace.
Harrison Ford is in Blade Runner, Cowboys and Aliens, Ender’s Game
Voiceovers by Mark Hamill in cartoons.
Daisy Ridley’s voiceover work in The Eagle Huntress
Plus more examples that I’ll be looking for over time, including video game cutscenes and voice acting.

All of these examples would have to be heavily trimmed, possibly even using foreign dubs and subtitles, but I think it’s possible to fit them into Star Wars.

In fact I think it would be a good idea for the fanedit community as a whole to have a list of potential OTHER movies that some lines of dialogue and shots could be plausibly used.

Hello, I’m looking for the best version of ROTJ but want to keep the final Force Ghost of Hayden Christensen. There’s many amazing edits out there that make the film better, like including deleted scenes/reorganizing scenes, but for various reasons I need one with Hayden at the end.

Anyone have any recommendations?

Side request: there is an edit somewhere that I can’t find but I know is in some recent pages–it only has the first 45 minutes and is on Vimeo, it simply reorganized a few key scenes and added the lightsaber reconstruction scene. Does anyone have that thread? Edit-Found it, in case anyone is interested: http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/ROTJ-Pre-film-Training-Edit/id/56623/page/2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uu2edqdbiI

The unfinished “Amendments to the constitution / Palpatine’s Machinations” scene is actually usable now that these guys showed how it could be edited.

Maybe even darkening the shadows would help.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uu2edqdbiI

Someone did a good job of restoring the Ep 3 deleted scene “Amendments to the constitution/Palpatine’s machinations.”

Could be useful for other edits.

This idea would have more feasibility after the next few Disney films are done, so this is something to ponder for like 2024 or something.

By then we’d have:
Ep 1 2 3
Kenobi
Rogue 1
Han Solo
Boba Fett (Is this even happening?)
Ep 4 5 6
Ep 7 8 9
And then whatever comes after.

So let’s say we have the goal of making 1 hour episodes with each one ending with a climactic moment. Now, the strength of Thrones is that it has a lot of things happening at once, meaning there can be many little vignettes of different character moments.

Perhaps there can be a similar approach made with some of the films that have some crossover timelines.

Han Solo could POTENTIALLY cross over with Parts of Rogue 1’s time.
Boba Fett, depending on when it takes place, could also be a part of this. If it’s about Young Fett post-Sith, that would essentially make Han Solo, Fett, and Rogue ALMOST simultaneously. Could even take it one step further and add New Hope, making all 4 movies into a tv series season. A particularly ambitious editor may even be able to salvage parts of the the Christmas Special footage.

Meanwhile, perhaps a really really good editor could use all the deleted scenes from AOTC and ROTS to make various character moments (other Jedi, Padme’s family) just like Thrones uses different scenes to further character development.

The tougher ones are Phantom, which is 10 years too far back to be edited in, and Empire-Jedi, which are too far from the other ones to be spliced together. Only thing I can think of is to use a framing flashback device.

Maybe Phantom’s key scenes can be used in Anakin’s dreams in AOTC and Sith. I also had the idea of using Neeson’s OTHER movie footage of him in some vague swordfighting castle environments as part of his Jedi training–what if he had an entire adventure beforehand?

Empire and Jedi would have to be left alone, though I suppose if Fett takes place around Jedi it could be added in. It would take a genius of writing to use the only other footage of Ewoks (ewoks adventure) to turn Jedi’s story into Thrones episodes. This is wishful thinking, but what if that kid from Ewok’s adventures actually helped the Ewoks train to fight the empire? What if he’s one of the surviving Jedi? I dunno, rewrite him as the son of one of the few Jedi who survived.

In an ideal world, the footage of Rebels and other cartoons could be used, but the change in style is simply too jarring to pull that off. Same with most Video games, which is sad that it is too different to use. In a doubly ideal world, the fan film makers would come together to allow their films to become part of this Thrones version. If that WERE possible, this would make this entire project even better. Imaging watching the Maul fanfilm mixed with the Neeson training film.

It’s a lofty goal, but I do believe it’s doable, it doesn’t require NEW material per se, just careful editing and some dialogue rewrites to fit the framing mechanisms.

What if this deleted Palpatine scene:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkN8tE21qJc

Was edited into the Windu Duel?

Perhaps the hanging-off-the-edge part could be edited into the battle?

ChainsawAsh said:

HAL cuts the Yoda/Sidious duel entirely and changes the ending so Padme lives.

L8wrtr preserves the duel and keeps Padme’s death as is.

You can compare them on IFDB, and look at other prequel edits and check out their change lists:

L8wrtr’s Ep3
HAL’s Ep3

Thank you for your reply. I have read the info there.

So far, it seems like :

Hal 9000’s Episode 2
L8wrtr’s Episode 3

Is the way to go.

But what edit adds the most to Phantom Menace? Hal 9000’s PM adds 2 scenes but it cuts so much.