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Post: #76775
Topic: Best IVTC filter/program & lossless compression codec??
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/76775/action/topic#76775
Time: 9-Nov-2004 11:36 AM

Khamul, I'd regard the MSU filters as a double edged sword. they tempt you with how good they are (can personally vouch for their sharpen filter, it's bloody marvellous) and then they hit you over the head with how bloody slow they are.

I don't hink I've come across so many good(but unoptimised filters) eg

sharpen filter runs at 1-2fps on a PIII933, 1.7ghz athlon and a P4 2.8. ie it's not been optimised in the slightest to take into account processor speeds. which is disappointing.

I queried MSU on this, complimenting them on the quality of the filter etc but they haven't bothered to reply in three weeks.

the deinterlace article was an interesting read but bear in mind that the example given in the article is a worse case. TNG particularly is a bad source using as it does a mix of blended fields, interlaced, progressive and other sources.

I used smart deinterlace and blended fields from a number of different captured material and they've been fine with no ghosting at all, so while I can appreciate what the author is saying, bear in mind that his offered solution solves the problem for THAT clip. it won't necessarily hold true for other clips.

all I can suggest is you experiement and see for yourself, nothing can better personal experience in this field.

Post: #76768
Topic: .: The Zion DVD Project :. (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/76768/action/topic#76768
Time: 9-Nov-2004 10:13 AM

Zion, another question or two about your sound approach. I am always intrigued when someone says they are going to capture using one set of discs and use the sound from another because the spectre of sound sync rears its head.

I was lucky in that my capture didn't have an issue. I captured sound and video at the same time and it was always synced up correctly. On the other hand if you start capturing from different source material I can never see how the person can figure it out enough to make it sync beyond looking and listening at it.

In your case, are you going to sync up your base wavs first? then create the different sound streams based on this one copy of sound, or do it by some other means?

Post: #76592
Topic: Info Wanted: What other LDs are you all transferring?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/76592/action/topic#76592
Time: 8-Nov-2004 10:30 AM

@chaoz95

I had this exact question myself when I anamophicised my star wars LD.

superman is a 2.35:1 aspect film if I remember correctly so this is what you do.

crop the black bars so you only have the film image.

if its NTSC it will be

720x 270ish

if it's PAL it will be

720x 325ish

resize it to

NTSC
720x360

PAL
720x432

then add black bars, either in avisynth or by virtualdub up to the full resolution

so NTSC
720x480

PAL
720x576

that will give you an anamorphic sized capture.

then when you convert it in something like TMPGenc to give you your M2v file for authoring, make sure it is flagged as a 16:9 file.

Post: #76591
Topic: Help: looking for... High Road to China - in widescreen form?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/76591/action/topic#76591
Time: 8-Nov-2004 10:15 AM

oooh, interesting. it seems this thing was shot open matte. which means I can take it, add black bars, color correct and sharpen to hearts content and re-author.

mmmmmm, possibilities abound.

Post: #76590
Topic: Sound question
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/76590/action/topic#76590
Time: 8-Nov-2004 10:12 AM

vegas what? vegas who? vegas. been there, never heard of this program.

better than sound forge? easier?

Post: #76581
Topic: Sound question
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/76581/action/topic#76581
Time: 8-Nov-2004 8:48 AM

I'll probably use sonic foundry soft encode, or scenarists ac3 encoder, maybe even Besweet.

I've used besweet already for my current star wars DVD's but never read the doom9 guide about getting the right normalisations etc. so I know besweet works for my machine and my DVD home setup, but I'm tempted to go the soft encode 5.1 route because I'd have a better package doing it, with the right flags set etc.

Post: #76580
Topic: Help: looking for... High Road to China - in widescreen form?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/76580/action/topic#76580
Time: 8-Nov-2004 8:45 AM

bugger it. I love this film, okay it's not big budget, was never a massive smash but I'd have thought someone would have released it in its OAR by now.

Post: #76518
Topic: Sound question
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/76518/action/topic#76518
Time: 7-Nov-2004 6:13 PM

oh hang, do you mean output, six waves?

Post: #76517
Topic: Sound question
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/76517/action/topic#76517
Time: 7-Nov-2004 6:13 PM

really?

um...how. I know besweet can turn AC3 into Wav, but how do you tell besweet to only turn one channel of an AC3 into a wav? yours confused

Post: #76513
Topic: .: The Zion DVD Project :. (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/76513/action/topic#76513
Time: 7-Nov-2004 5:28 PM

Zion,

how are you approaching the whole sound aspect of the film? are you demodulating the sound from your LD player and trying to get something surroundish or are you just going straight stereo which is flagged as pro logic surround in Besweet for example?

Post: #76512
Topic: Help: looking for... High Road to China - in widescreen form?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/76512/action/topic#76512
Time: 7-Nov-2004 5:26 PM — Edited 3-Jul-2020 6:46 PM

A tom selleck movie called High Road to China in widescreen form?

I’ve got a proper R2 release of it on DVD, but it’s in fullscreen. and I’ve got a 4:3 old VHS copy. both of them have a ropy transfer, the VHS cos I’ve played it so much and the DVD just isn’t taken from a very good print.

it was released on LD a long time ago.

Does anyone have it on LD? or have a bootleg widescreen DVD of it?

If on LD, would you be willing to capture to say a DVd recorder in high quality? possible as it’s a 1.5hour film. I would send you a disc, or if I sent you a disc, to cut me a copy of your widescreen bootleg.

I have plans for this little gem of a movie.

Post: #76511
Topic: Sound question
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/76511/action/topic#76511
Time: 7-Nov-2004 5:23 PM

I'm starting to get down and dirty with planning my SE2004 DVD reversion project. but I'm interested in reverting while hanging on to the sound mix. Does anyone know of a program that can import a 5.1 EX sound mix and output each sound channel as a seperate wav at all?

I have sonic foundry 5.1 encode but I'm not sure if it does it. does it require a plugin to cope with 5.1EX or is there another package people can recommend?

Post: #76514
Topic: list of changes
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/76514/action/topic#76514
Time: 7-Nov-2004 12:09 PM

either on this board, or elsewhere on the web, is there a list of changes between the SE and the OT. and I mean a list that includes audio as well as visual changes, particularly for ANH.

Post: #75846
Topic: PAL + NTSC size query
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/75846/action/topic#75846
Time: 5-Nov-2004 7:03 AM

pardon my saying this danielb but I'd love to see some proof of that aliens statement.

there is no reason on earth whatsoever for James Cameron to shoot a film @25fps when all FX houses and film equipment at the professional film industry level is designed and set up for 24fps. plus cinemas don't show stuff at 25fps. besides, he hasn't shot any other films at 25fps.

Post: #75719
Topic: PAL + NTSC size query
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/75719/action/topic#75719
Time: 4-Nov-2004 5:16 PM

@rikter.

if the PAL dvd was stored as 25fps progressive, then it only needs to be slowed down 4% to make it 24fps the same as my IVTC'd 24fps NTSC capture. the only difference then is vertical the size difference between my NTSC material and the PAL DVD material.

therefore, if I can jigger my NTSC source capture to the same vertical resolution as the PAL item without losing anything, then I can take advantage of the better PAL resolution.

as GRisan says it is 25fps progressive, it means I don't even have to do any deinterlacing all I have to do is shoot through virtualdub and make the frame rate 23.97fps instead of 25fps. cool.

@grisan,

could you mail me a few frames from the film please? mail it to lancer@dial.pipex.com so I can do some comparison stuff and see if I can jiggle my NTSC material to match at all? that would be great.

Post: #75457
Topic: PAL + NTSC size query
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/75457/action/topic#75457
Time: 3-Nov-2004 7:20 PM

few questions out there for the people that have them.

PAL Star Wars DVD 2004 SE release.

what frame rate is it when ripped off the DVD? is it 25fps interlaced? 25fps non interlaced? or 24fps?

second, when you take away the black bars, what size is the footage in PAL format?

720x what?

I'm just starting to realise that it would be better to do a restoration exercise by getting the PAL DVD's (I'm region 2 so not a problem) to take advantage of the better PAL resolution, also, depending how it is stored on the DVd' I've either just got to deinterlace it and slow it down 4% to a 24fps frame rate, or maybe even do nothing at all depending on how it is stored on the DVD.

of course then comes the problemo f subbing in a few scenes when my original cut from the DE LD's is NTSC. depending on the size of the PAL footage, I might be able to do something which is why I'm asking thees questions.

Post: #74916
Topic: Help Wanted: missing 3P0 line wav required
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/74916/action/topic#74916
Time: 1-Nov-2004 4:53 PM

@spider, I posted earlier that I haven't got the DVD yet, bit short of cash at moment otherwise I'd have just done that myself rather than ask for it.

Post: #74863
Topic: .: The Lancer DVD Project :. (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/74863/action/topic#74863
Time: 1-Nov-2004 3:51 PM

new screencaps from my latest color correction round. this is all done in virtualdub using the following settings.

vdubs own HSV filter. ( the donald graft one uses different settings) Hue 0. saturation + 120%, value 0
donald grafts red green blue adjust filter . red 97, green 101, blue 104
levels. input levels 16, 0.978, 255 operating in luma box ticked output levels 0,255
donald grafts Hue saturation intensity filter, hue 0, saturation 1.09, intensity 1.01. apply these to red, yellow, blue, cyan, green, magenta. preserve luma box checked.
MSU denoiser, set for normal, temporal 20, spatial 1.0
MSU smart sharpen, set as small overall and borders.

The MSU filter is probably the best sharpening filter I think I've ever seen but god it is slow. 1-2fps on a 2.8ghz P4, same as on a PIII 933mhz so it obviously needs a lot of optimisation from the creators. if it was faster I'd have no hesitation in recomending it, but as it is, it's good, but be prepared to be sitting around for a while waiting for it to finish.

skin tone has been balanced by frame 5100 which is the close up of the Tantive soldier in the corridor shootout. princess leia's lips, other reds in the film. artoo using the comments by mverta's legacy site as a guide.

screenshots can be found here.

screenie 1
screenie 2
screenie 3
screenie 4
screenie 5
screenie 6
screenie 7
screenie 8
screenie 9
screenie 10
screenie 11
screenie 12
screenie 13
screenie 14
screenie 15
screenie 16
screenie 17
screenie 18
screenie 19
screenie 20

comments welcome

Post: #74765
Topic: .: The Zion DVD Project :. (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/74765/action/topic#74765
Time: 1-Nov-2004 9:00 AM

yup, that's my problem then, I have always used huffyuv as yuy2, never as an rgb. bugger.

Post: #74715
Topic: .: The Zion DVD Project :. (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/74715/action/topic#74715
Time: 31-Oct-2004 3:56 PM

zion,

when you make your interim file and use premier pro, etc, what codec are you using for the AVI? I ask because I've stuck a huffyuv avi into premier pro and it looks crap, all rainbow colours etc.

Post: #74708
Topic: Help Wanted: missing 3P0 line wav required
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/74708/action/topic#74708
Time: 31-Oct-2004 3:23 PM

I'd be interested in getting it zion. molly's version is fine, I've mixed it all in etc. but an laternative sound file would be interesting to compare and maybe splice in instead.

I've succumbed too. damn you MSU filter. nothing else comes close to it, I'm just a bit ticked off you can't change any of it's settings, and that they haven't optimised it. I know they haven't because on my 933 at home it does 1-2 fps, on my 1.7 athlon I had at work, it did 1-2 fps and on my new 2.8 P4 at home, it does 1-2 fps, which means, good as it is, it could be a lot better re: optimisations.

Post: #74707
Topic: .: The Lancer DVD Project :. (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/74707/action/topic#74707
Time: 31-Oct-2004 3:16 PM

I captured originally with an Asus Geforce 1 V6800 deluxe. audio went into the phono in on my SB Live! Platinum live drive ports on the front of the case.

I then used besweet to generate a DD 2.0 AC3 file for my sound. No subtitles were captured at all. I added the greedo lines in ANH and jabba's lines in ROTJ using script files in AVIsynth 2.07.

Post: #74601
Topic: .: The Lancer DVD Project :. (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/74601/action/topic#74601
Time: 30-Oct-2004 7:23 PM

gawd, just spent the better part of the day remastering my menu music. sampled from the 1997 SE soundtrack CD release. noticed a lot of breakup at the end of some menu's music last night, it was all strained and reedy so redid it. much improved but blooyd annoying to be spotting errors like this at this stage.

also redid my ANH soundtrack to include the two previous missing lines of dialogue. tested it, ac3'd it and ran a HD simualtion of the disc. sounds okay.

Post: #74600
Topic: Help Wanted: missing 3P0 line wav required
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/74600/action/topic#74600
Time: 30-Oct-2004 7:17 PM

so if I use my original capture Wav file as a sound stream on my dvd, that could sound better than the converted AC3 file?

Post: #74452
Topic: Help Wanted: missing 3P0 line wav required
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/74452/action/topic#74452
Time: 29-Oct-2004 3:43 PM

sorry, I'm an idiot who obviously can't read. it's been one of those days.
thanks again,

BTW I presume the consistent chugging sound in the background is ambient sound effects as the machinery in the scene shows the schematics. it's not very clear on my DE LD's.