tellan

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Post: #78876
Topic: .: The Lancer DVD Project :. (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/78876/action/topic#78876
Time: 22-Nov-2004 6:46 PM

new captures from the project.

color corrected, sangnom, dedot and limited shapren in avisynth, MSU smart sharpen in vdubmod.

still not convinced over limitedsharpen yet but might keep it to counteract softening due to dedot.

sangnom really cured jaggies, really amazing filter.

http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/lancer/dvdmenus/221104-01.jpg

http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/lancer/dvdmenus/221104-2.jpg

http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/lancer/dvdmenus/221104-3.jpg

http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/lancer/dvdmenus/221104-4.jpg

http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/lancer/dvdmenus/221104-5.jpg

Post: #78774
Topic: Info: STAR WARS ANTHOLOGY SOUNDTRACKS
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/78774/action/topic#78774
Time: 22-Nov-2004 4:15 AM

I remember seeing this in virgin a while ago, isn't this the one with the original bridging cues and stuff for actual scene transistions?

very handy for those wanting to do certain things.

Post: #78663
Topic: .: Moth3r's PAL DVD project :.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/78663/action/topic#78663
Time: 20-Nov-2004 12:59 PM

well you can if you revert the pal back to the 23.976 progressive state of film. I know, I know, film is 24fps but for the sake of argument go with me here.

once you've got your PAL source to a progressive 25fps, make it 23.976, crop it for NTSC and you're laughing, but then it won't be the correct aspect ratio etc.

bear in mind you can't just make a PAL source run atNTSC frame rate and expect it to run on an NTSC TV because the resolution would still need to be corrected.

Post: #78355
Topic: .: The Zion DVD Project :. (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/78355/action/topic#78355
Time: 18-Nov-2004 5:11 AM

unless it's just because the manufacturer of those discs was producing better pressings.

bingo, got in one. give the man a prize. the late Jap laserdiscs basically kicked the crap out of a lot of north american stuff, even better than PAL, even though pal had higher res and color fidelity.

the more I think about this, the more I'm convinced the way to get a good color rich capture is off a PAL pressing because NTSC is known for poor color fidelity and inconsistency across frames anyway. it's not known as Not Twice Same Color for nothing.

also, no IVTC needed to get star wars back to 24fps film as PAL is only 24fps film speeded up 4% to get 25fps. just de-interlace, dot crawl fix and away we go.

Post: #78352
Topic: Thought on de-SE'ing the DVD
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/78352/action/topic#78352
Time: 18-Nov-2004 3:56 AM

???? why?

I thought that was one of the changes that wasn't bad.

Post: #78361
Topic: Expanded Universe Novel Discussion.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/78361/action/topic#78361
Time: 18-Nov-2004 3:40 AM

my main recomends are

the Thrawn Trilogy, + hand of thrawn by Tim Zahn.

then

the Xwing series by Mike Stackpole. bloody good

splinter of the minds eye by alan dean foster (nostalgia value)

han solo at stars end + the other two by Brian daley (he also wrote the NPR radio dramas)

Post: #78244
Topic: .: The Lancer DVD Project :. (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/78244/action/topic#78244
Time: 17-Nov-2004 9:37 AM

Your caps seem to be a little on the soft side though. Though I'm not sure if that's due to your filtering process or your card just not capturing all the detail. Keep up the great work man.

beleive me, you should see the original file I'm working from. I never realised before that it was so soft. that's what you get for staring at the screen for so long.

Post: #78235
Topic: Thought on de-SE'ing the DVD
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/78235/action/topic#78235
Time: 17-Nov-2004 8:27 AM

Well that's what I am going to do.

use a combination of original trilogy, SE 97 and SE 2004 DVD in each case color correcting for it all to match.

SE 2004 DVD used as much as possible, although the opening crawl and starfield is better on my 97 copy. + mos eisley will probably be the OT, although the speeder was corrected, I do not want Ronto's in any bloody shots if I can help it. no frigging spy droids either.

Post: #78233
Topic: StarWarsLegacy.com - The Official Thread
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/78233/action/topic#78233
Time: 17-Nov-2004 6:51 AM

@mverta, intersting that you're not going to put the close the blast doors line back in.

by the same token therefore, would you not be substituting the 'blast it biggs, where are you line' for blast it wedge, where are you?

both of these lines were in the original theatrical run and both lines where subsequently accidentally omitted from home video prints.

I consider close the blast doors to surely be a given. the scene has more fun to it, plus the cutaway to the stormtroopers now makes more sense because of the restored dialogue. the wedge, biggs line also stops audiences going 'huh' when Luke says the line because it's quite obviously wedge that is comng to help him, not biggs.

I always thought the biggs line odd becaues I could remember seeing for one time only the blast it wedge line on a TV broadcast.

Post: #78231
Topic: ***The MeBeJedi feedback thread ***
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/78231/action/topic#78231
Time: 17-Nov-2004 5:45 AM

mebejedi said

To compare such changes to the monstronsity that is the SE's is just flat-out ludicrous.

I take it you are referring to the SE changes and not the fact it was cleaned up and sharpened? I think its admirable that someone is willing to go through it all frame by frame and clean it up a la lowry has done. If I was still single, then yeah, I'd probably invest the time and do that myself, however, wife politics precludes that for me.

with that in mind, the more I look at this as a project. the more I am leaning towards the following.

keep my NTSC's as they are, they are after all the original film and just finish a slight color correction and sharpen and remove jaggies.

then with PAL DVD's de SE the DVD so that I have a version that is really sharp but re color correct it from the abortion that was lucasfilms judgement. somehow I might be able to get 5.1 sound + PCM track + standard stereo and then put all that on a dual layer disc with moving menus etc.

Post: #78229
Topic: Thought on de-SE'ing the DVD
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/78229/action/topic#78229
Time: 17-Nov-2004 4:08 AM

okay, now I've read this, the more I become convinced Lucasfilm just rushed this to get some money this year prior to May 2005 for ROTS and then the subsequent DVD release of everything.

considering Citizen Kane was restored over the course of a year and Lowry were given one month 'per' movie that's pretty disgusting. but then, lowrys work on sharpening etc is good, I don't think anyone disputes that. what is criminal is the bizarre color matching done by Lucasfilm to make the original film match the prequels for palette and tone.

no fan boy would have let such skewed values be approved.

Post: #78228
Topic: Thought on de-SE'ing the DVD
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/78228/action/topic#78228
Time: 17-Nov-2004 4:02 AM

don't matter, I found this one

apple article

Post: #78227
Topic: Thought on de-SE'ing the DVD
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/78227/action/topic#78227
Time: 17-Nov-2004 3:59 AM

I must repeat, Lowry had nothing to do with the colours. In another thread somewhere I have posted links to articles from Apple's and StarWars' official site where it is clearly stated all the colour work and effects, etc were done by LucasFilm, Lowry simply cleaned the film to make it practically free of dust, scratches, etc.

links? I'd be interested in readin that actually. the whole DVD process articles would make an interesting read. if it wasn't lowry then lucasfilm are even more guilty for rushing this thing out than I thought.

Post: #78226
Topic: .: The Lancer DVD Project :. (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/78226/action/topic#78226
Time: 17-Nov-2004 3:55 AM

I think the softness happens to come from the save for web option in photoshop on this occasion because I am sure they were sharper on my screen at home and I ain't got the best monitor in the world.

the other trick of course is that they don't seem quite so soft on my Wega TV so its swings and roundabouts.

I dialed blue down 2 notches on my RGB settings because looking at some later scenes there just seems to be a slight lack in some of the whites.

Post: #78037
Topic: ***The "official" Screenshots feedback thread ***
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/78037/action/topic#78037
Time: 16-Nov-2004 11:31 AM

how do you want them zion?

you can get my e-mail address from my profile to contact me or PM me to give me your mail address.

Post: #78035
Topic: .: The Lancer DVD Project :. (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/78035/action/topic#78035
Time: 16-Nov-2004 11:28 AM

no one got an opinion then?

Post: #78032
Topic: Thought on de-SE'ing the DVD
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/78032/action/topic#78032
Time: 16-Nov-2004 11:19 AM

I'm for a De SEing thread. at the least it will consolidate the changes that have to be made. the big thing as you say is the difference in colour tone and contrast between the material. I think that to DE SE properly, we have to use the 97 SE version of ANH as our base file. I reason this because lowry so screwed the colour balance. not their fault, they did a lot in a month but there are obviously a lot of issues. in fact, I would go so far as to say that about the only thing worth saving from the SE DVD release is the 5.1 AC3 sound which we are still going to have to seperate into 6 mono wav's and diddle to correc the space battle sound mix and edit properly for the omissions we are going to take out, like the jabba scene and mos eisley entrance.

still use the SE DVD for things like the final space battle becaues the space shots are better corrected, but even then, perhaps some form of overlay is going to be needed because of how the laser blasts have been meddled with and the stars wiped out.

using the 97 SE means we've got something that is better color corrected and sharper than the OT LD. then use the minimal amount of OT LD footage to correct back to the OT cut.

taken as a whole that should then give us OT visuals with advanced sound fx.

Post: #78007
Topic: sound question - seperating channels from PCM
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/78007/action/topic#78007
Time: 16-Nov-2004 8:21 AM

seeing as mebe created a 5.1 some time ago from his captured PCM track, I thought I'd ask the obvious.

how did you seperate the captured stereo PCM into the seperate dolby channels? particularly for the center dialogue channel? was this done using vegas or something?

I ask because I think splicing and mixing the new 5.1DVD ac3 in relation to the original stuff might be too much work, but it doesn't mean I can't pinch elements of it. however if we can take the PCM, and turn it into at least a reasonable surround track AC3 with a seperate dialogue centre channel that would be a big improvement.

Post: #77999
Topic: ***The MeBeJedi feedback thread ***
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/77999/action/topic#77999
Time: 16-Nov-2004 4:18 AM

time to dip my toe into this proverbial minefield.

MeBeJedi are you going to release your set unedited? Because that is not preserving the theatrical version. I know you might say that the changes make it better, or are "only small" - but all in all it's the same thing Lucas did.

I take the line of the original Special edition from 97 to some extent. anything done to fix slightly dodgy fx shots that were originally missed on the film due to release pressures is okay, and by that I mean

restoring the close the blast doors line
restoring the 3po line in the control room
keeping all the digitally recomposited space battle shots but not the new CG shots. after all, the recomping fixes original matte lines.
ditch extended mos eisley cos it's shit
ditch jabba scene cos it makes a nonsense of the greedo scene earlier
original greedo please because that is a character contextural change.

also for example, in empire, keeping all of the digitally recomp'ed snow battle as that cured matte lines.

so, only keep stuff that fixes but does not change original movie.

now, the more conjectural, the new matte shot of ben's house, the beefed up skyline from the canyon, the new jawa wipe. bit torn here. they are better but is it in keeping with the movie?

the new matte for ben's house is a damn site better than the shot used in the OT which, like the crap mos eisley approach shot I think was done last second as an establishing shot.

the jawa sandcrawler I couldn't care less about because it does nothing new over the original and the new skyline for the canyon is more a color correction than anything else so I think in this area, I would accept that. however, by the same token in Jedi, I would not accept the herd of bantha before Jabba's sail barge because it doesn't need to be there. it's a modern movie thing to have a longer scenic establishing shot and the rest of the trilogy does not have them so therefore it's a frivolous addition, same goes for the Vader shuttle thing at the end of empire and the added shots of the Wampa. Kersh did a bang up old style movie job with the wampa, and the old adage less is more applies here very well. we don't need to see the creature to know it's bloody big and scary.

Post: #77954
Topic: ***The "official" Screenshots feedback thread ***
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/77954/action/topic#77954
Time: 15-Nov-2004 6:19 PM

anyone know how I can send badash my screenies for inclusion on the screenshots page? he hasn't responed to PM on this.

Post: #77950
Topic: .: The Lancer DVD Project :. (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/77950/action/topic#77950
Time: 15-Nov-2004 6:01 PM

new tweaks and screencaps to show progress. I am resigned to using MSU smartsharpen even though it's gonna take a bloody age to do 174,000 frames of movie that way.

sangnom has now been included in the filters to cure my jaggies and a bloody good job its done too.
I've also used a few new filters too.

what are peoples opinions? I'm particularly interested in comments on the following.

using mverta's site as a good rule of thumb reference.

artoo's blue
skin tone
sky color

oversaturated, about right. too much too little?

zip with screencaps here

Post: #77906
Topic: Help Wanted: need a huge favour from someone re SW '77 scene
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/77906/action/topic#77906
Time: 15-Nov-2004 2:12 PM

ah, but vdubs IVTC didn't work for me. then again, when I did this originally, Vdub was up to version 1.4.13 and I used vdub_sync. vdubmod didn't even exist yet.

so I used donald grafts excellent decomb filter.

Post: #77871
Topic: ***The MeBeJedi feedback thread ***
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/77871/action/topic#77871
Time: 15-Nov-2004 10:09 AM

um, not meaning to be rude, but what exactly was supposed to be fixed in that scene? did you cut out the camera jump before he switches on the lightsaber or something???

Post: #77870
Topic: Help Wanted: need a huge favour from someone re SW '77 scene
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/77870/action/topic#77870
Time: 15-Nov-2004 10:05 AM

sorry mebe, just noticed your question.

the shimmer was on the top of luke's prone body, the bottom of bens rob and the sleeve on his outstretched hand. it was a twofold issue.

1.) looks like there was a field shift that the IVTC didn't handle right when I did it originally. so that these areas shift left and right for about two seconds.
2.) massive jaggies, again due to the IVTC not coping well with the minimal movement of the subjects.

Post: #77865
Topic: ***The MeBeJedi feedback thread ***
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/77865/action/topic#77865
Time: 15-Nov-2004 9:54 AM

lol. sounds like a friend of mine who used to work at the Mill. he spent about two weeks doing a shot where a guy thrashes around in a lit flooded corridor . he then comp'ed in a CG tentactle and lots of water splashes to blend it in to the scene.

then the director changed his mind and reshot the scene in the dark which meant my mate doing it all again. language was colourful to say the least.