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#97250
Topic
StarWarsLegacy.com - The Official Thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/97250/action/topic#97250
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mike,

have you given any thought yet as to how you are going to address the issue of mos eisley. the main point being the ronto inserted into the long panning shot of the landspeeder going from left to right before pulling up at the cantina?

I can see how a certain amount of masking is going to be required. would I be right in saying that you would need to create a new background plate to mask out the ronto and then drop the landspeeder + shadow on top of it?

also, the han/greedo shot?

one way is of course is to use laserdisc footage but I'm curious if you've managed to filter the LD footage sufficiently well to make it sit in the middle of the DVD standard resolution of the movie.

any pointers regarding this.
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#96575
Topic
Thought on de-SE'ing the DVD
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/96575/action/topic#96575
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@adigitalman

you don't need seamless branching to have a version of the movie that can play with or without a scene you wish to exclude from one version to another.

if you have maestro as a DVD authoring program, you can use what are called playlists. master the movie to include the scene and put it into maestro and mark that scene you wish to exclude as one of the chapters in the chapter list, then create two playlists. one of which includes this scene chapter, and the other that excludes it.

then on the menu you have two buttons. one plays one playlist, the other, the second one which includes your scene.

it's a super program and if you PM me we can talk on this further
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#96345
Topic
.: The Lancer DVD Project :. (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/96345/action/topic#96345
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Okay, movement, another good successful weekend. I've got the movie looking about as good as I think I can manage it. as I said earlier. this is being done off my original m2v file, not the original capture. that was lost when the drive died. however, I've been sneaky and spent this weekend rebuilding the opening credits, crawl and initial star destroyer pass in vegas 5. 0 and it's looking good.

I pinched mverta's star background off his website. (thanx for that) Tellan said humbly while prostrating himself at the altar of mverta. I also pinched the planet background of tatooine from the UK PAL DVD release.

then I rebuilt the credits, re coloured them, and used the modern fox logo. until someone comes up with a better one of the old logo, I'd rather do an mverta and use the new one. yes there is a bit of dot crawl but I can't eliminate whats left. also, I retimed to the star wars logo so that it retreats at the correct speed.

screenie of the credits. and the planet etc I used a matte for the firs time in vegas and blended my static background plate of the planet with the moving action from my capture.

note, this is not what mverta did. he re-rotoscoped all the laser blasts etc using the DVD. this is a combination of the Dvd backplate, mverta's corrected starfield. (note here that mine was derived from his small example on his website so his will be tons better.) and my captured footage with a travelling matte applied.

see what you think. I've chucked a few from later in the film as well to give you a taste

screenie 1
screenie 2
screenie 3
screenie 4
screenie 5
screenie 6
screenie 7
screenie 8
screenie 9
screenie 10
screenie 11
screenie 12
screenie 13
screenie 14
screenie 15
screenie 16

to recap, my release will be NTSC, anamorphic, possibly single layer, maybe dual, I've not got that far yet. I will have a stab like mebejedi at turning my stereo capture sound into 5.1. if not it's will be 2.0 dolby pro logic. depending on dual layer will decide on moving menu's another time.
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#95208
Topic
Info: tellan's Lancer laserdisc-to-DVD OT project update
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/95208/action/topic#95208
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I know I haven’t been here for a while but my thread seems to have dropped off the end of the world. my project ain’t dead and I was getting some nice results with it. just to let people know it is still going, but 3 months training away from home can kinda put a crimp in plans when I am only home for 36 hours between each weeks training. however, the wife is away for a few weeks so I can do a little bit to progress this thing along.

if anyone can resurrect my thread from the archive I’d appreciate it as I had links and stuff to the screenies etc of what I’d done so far.

ta

peace

 

Mod Edit: link - .: The Lancer DVD Project :.

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#82834
Topic
Thought on de-SE'ing the DVD
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/82834/action/topic#82834
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no amount of jiggery pokery, (unless you happen to be Mverta)

I suppose 97 SE LD + faces LD might work, at least you are working from a similar baseline regards resolution. and there in lies my problem. all I have to work with in this instance is DE LD capture + DVD SE so the step between the two with the tools I have to work with is just too great.
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#82827
Topic
Thought on de-SE'ing the DVD
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/82827/action/topic#82827
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I've been working on de-se'ing the DVD for a few days now and one thing becomes painfully clear. the Laserdisc doesn't come anywhere close to the DVD for quality. I know people have said it before but I didn't believe just how different it was until seeing it on my own monitor.

so.

my project is diverging a little. I will still finish my laserdisc version which is the original cut. but my DVD edit will basically expunge all the crappy SE stuff that was added and replace only a few shots with LD footage. if neccesary. Mos eisley is the greatest sticking point but what I am going to do is this.

My methodology here is 'to stick to the spirit of the original films' while using the new footage. for mos eisley this is painfully a necessity as this is the worst part of the LD capture I have and no amount of jiggery pokery is going to get it to measure up.

so I am going to reuse the mos eisley CGI footage in a minimal way. eradicate the comedy ronto and spy bot moments and pare it down so that the mos eisley arrival is a minimalist thing that matches the timing of the original approach.

i've already done the stormtroopers on tatooine's surface and that matches the original cut for timing with no scene extension. I've also replaced the lucasfilm logo with text and re-timed the opening crawl so that it is correct.

for the space scenes I'm going to use the LD footage in some areas and I'm going to rework the CGI flyby to match the original film.

more details to come later.
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#82767
Topic
StarWarsLegacy.com - The Official Thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/82767/action/topic#82767
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mverta.

I don't know if you've made a recent change to your website but for about a week now I've been unable to get any joy out of your pull down restoration menu. nothing happens.

this is using IE 6.1 on WinXP, also Mozilla Firefox 1.0.

neither of then show anything beyond the opening restoration page which is accesible through a seperate menu link. the pulldown doesn't do anything at all.
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#82312
Topic
Thought on de-SE'ing the DVD
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/82312/action/topic#82312
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came across something when viewing the 2004 SE DVD extras last night that we may find useful.

hint. watch the 1997 re-release trailer. it's been sharpened up but the color values haven't been messed with.

ie, we can use it as a comparison shot to establish color values on the SE DVD to get it back to how it should be. the 1997 trailer has no blue caste to it at all.
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#81921
Topic
.: The Lancer DVD Project :. (* unfinished project *)
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/81921/action/topic#81921
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nope, but nearly had a heart attack when I was attempting at first to recover using norton ghost.

I have
C:
D:
E:
F:

as drives. boot off D:

I've got a new USB external hard drive and when it was plugged in I didn't know that ghost 2003 saw it as C: and bumped everything down a letter. so when I was restoring it said 'restoring to drive E:' and I went buggo because in dread because that is where all my filters, toolchains and everything else is stored. in fact, D: had become E: so I didn't but talk about heart failure.
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#81902
Topic
.: The Lancer DVD Project :. (* unfinished project *)
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/81902/action/topic#81902
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sorry to everyone for the delay and lack of news the last few days. NLTDR errors on bootup will do that to you. so I've been busy upgrading from win2k to XP + I've finally upgraded to Broadband. plus, give it ten more minutes and I've got combustion 3.0 to play with so I envisage a radically diffrent approach in the next few weeks.

updated screenies to come once I've got avisynth and masktools and ltd sharpen co-operating again.

at the moment ltd sharpen don't work. damn u mask tools.
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#81586
Topic
Thought on de-SE'ing the DVD
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/81586/action/topic#81586
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something occurs to me here. BTW, adigitalman, that is a sweet post. I'm thinking of toying with combustion myself and the more I hear, the more I think this is going to be the program of choice.

Lowry digitally scanned all the film right, and this is after LS monkeys color corrected it. how's about they actually did something partly right during this 'restoration'.

what if they went back to the original source stuff that had previously been restored, color corrected it and this includes the optical composite elements. only they then scrwed up and someone wasn't watching when they were doing the lightsaber rotoscope mattes.

it might explain why just the saber is screwed for color in some shots and the rest of the scene is fine. if they had color corrected a finished fully composited frame, then it would be logical to assume that other colors would be off as well. the fact that only the saber color is wrong in quite a few shots suggests that they did something else and this is why we might have to manually re-rotoscope the sabers or do a travelling selection to just alter the saber color.
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#81163
Topic
.: Moth3r's PAL DVD project :.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/81163/action/topic#81163
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if I were you moth3r, I would do what mebejedi has done and capture slightly black higher, white lower and post process. the reason being is that the light and colour values on the LD's are not consistent so there are some scenes where you will lose detail as whites get blown and blacks are too black.

I did what you did (ie capture pure blacks etc) and have overblown whites in the tantive sequence. the section where vader and the officer are walking down the corridor saying, she'll die before she'll tell you anything, leave that to me etc, around frame 12000. the white corridor totally blows out in the background on my capture and loses all the detail, it also hurts the eyes too.

if you capture mebejedi style, then you have total source control and can adjust individual scenes if you have too. it will make for a better capture.
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#80966
Topic
.: Moth3r's PAL DVD project :.
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/80966/action/topic#80966
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I think you;'ll find moth3r that disc 1 if using the DE LD's, if using the faces then basically, up until 19 minutes in, the color values are off in relation to the other discs.

highlights are a bit blown. the rebel troopers face around frame 5100 is oversaturated in comparison to skin tone against the rest of the first 19 minutes. red on the tantive wall displays is very intense and needs dialing down. intensity of white needs adjusting too.

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#80802
Topic
Info: what can i do to help?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/80802/action/topic#80802
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seconded. if someone was able to capture either PAL or NTSC trilogy from the Faces set to huffyuv codec in RGB form and then we all sent them a big hard drive to copy it to, to give us a common good base capture to work from I'd be over the moon.

with high end gear they'd only have to capture once through and the cost of mailing a drive both ways isn't that much. I would say that is probably the biggest service someone could do me. :-D the more I look at my set, the more I see little glitches introduced by the IVTC process and it's annoying me that I could have missed them.

on a more practical level Charliex, pointers to any known good online tutorials for AE regarding Travelling matte's, compositing etc, or making yourself available to answer complex member questions about that sort of stuff would be brilliant. I for one am certainly in the process of hacking up the DVD and reverting it to a non-SE state, including color correction etc so I am bound to have questions regarding AE, premier etc. any help you could give on that front would be amazing.
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#80688
Topic
.: The Zion DVD Project :. (Released)
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/80688/action/topic#80688
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Zion - few things.

first, glad you are back on the board. must admit the last few days left a bit of a taste in my mouth too. anyway, glad you're back.

second. some new screenies on there way to you if you could be so kind as to include them on the official screenshots thread that would be great.

third, if you've got mebe's e-mail could you PM me please. I talked to him a lot via PM but we never exchanged e-mail cos I thought we'd use the board. ah well.

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#80303
Topic
.: The Lancer DVD Project :. (* unfinished project *)
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/80303/action/topic#80303
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nope, not seen the faces set and I think I should have captured off that instead of the DE. it's a damn sight better considering what I've seen of Zion's and Karyudo's screen grabs.

I see what you mean about the dress.

I've tweaked my script so that I've cooled the yellow but retained the creamy aspect of her dress in the tantive scene.

makes a difference to skin tone too.

Damn U Smart Sharpen!!!! I still haven't found anything that can beat it. in script anyway.

perhaps I can improve on it in Vegas or Premier or AE maybe.

ie make the interim file. then sharpen for the final pass in one of these programs. but they are sooooo slow!!!!

vegas unsharp mask is quite nice. anyone got a source for 3rd party vegas or AE plugins in the sharpen category at all? PM if you wanna be kind.