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#152277
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Help: looking for... 'High Road To China' or 'Starchase : Legend of Orin'?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/152277/action/topic#152277
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High Road To China or Starchase : Legend of Orin

on DVD taken from LD at all?? They are two of my favourite films and I’m after them on DVD. I know High Road is out in Sweden or somewhere but the disc is 4:3 full frame and I know it was released on LD as widescreen. if anyones got either at all could they PM me please.

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#148745
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.: The Lancer DVD Project :. (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/148745/action/topic#148745
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@mebejedi.

using adobe audition to create the mono wavs for each channel
sonic foundry soundforge to scan the track for the normalisation values for the Sonic scenarist Ac3 encoder to then encode it.

I know that's a short answer but it's getting late here and I think this question really deserves a fuller answer which we can put into the relevant forum for everyone to learn from.

its not hard, but it does take a bit of trail and error + time to do.
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#148719
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.: The Lancer DVD Project :. (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/148719/action/topic#148719
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@ moth3r regarding the greedo clip.

yes you're right, there is a slight pause and it's simple to explain why for those interested.

basically, to make the new 'crap' greedo shot work with the shooting over the table etc without lengthening the film any further was cut about 20-25 frames out of the shot where Han says "Yes, I bet you have" some from the beginning, some from the end.

basically by repeating two frames 3 times each and slowing down his hand gesture at the end by a certain percentage, I could cover the gap of the missing frames and keep the scene timing the same as the original, right down to the shooting, greedo cut away (for 1 frame) and the table smoke.

it's such a quick scene that unless you really scrutinize it, + have another version available for comparison its something that passes unnoticed. (I hope)

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#148200
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.: The Lancer DVD Project :. (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/148200/action/topic#148200
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we are in the final stages. there is one final reverse in direction I am considering regards the sound but I need to tinker some more to see if it will work so I'll keep silent on that for now.

the sample menus I'm going to test on my TV to see how that looks. the thumbnails aren't small as such. consider the fact that the official DVd has 5 to 6 thumbs per page as well so size isn't the issue.

when I release this thing as a dual layer and single layer version, only the dual layer version will feature all the soundtrack options. I am not prepared to blow off visual quality after about 9 months of working in all the changes and colour correction. the Darth Editous version shows you can get a perfectly acceptable visual quality from the 2004DVD on a single layer disc with one soundtrack so that is my basic benchmark for visual quality to shoot for. bear in mind that on a dual layer 9GB disc the official release video is only 5.7GB. the rest of the space is 3 menus at 200-250mb each + 400mb 5.1 ac3 file, 200mb commentary file + THX optimiser.

I'm looking to weigh in at about 6GB for my video file and no more to leave room for 200mb of menus and all the soundtracks.

the basic sound is taken from the DE LD edition + snippets from the 97 SE and 2004 DVD for some of the remaining 2004 scenes that are retained.

expected release date is soon. I've just gone back to work after 12 days off. that break allowed me to get the sound all synced up and ready to go and the menus done. the remaining thing is to output my master file for conversion to DVD. I have instructions for a method to get the dual layer break where I want it and not just where the software will dump it so hopefully I can time it to end up at a scene change with no music to help hide the momentary stutter endemic to layer changes.
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#147265
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.: The Lancer DVD Project :. (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/147265/action/topic#147265
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well this is question I have been wrestling with.

The 5.1 surround, whether it be Dolby or DTS is just a digital frig from the PCM track.

I've used Adobe Audition, Sound Forge and Nuendo to make it and I've isolated a lot of the speech out of the Front Left and Front right channels, making a fairly reasonable Dolby Digital track including an LFE channel. however, what is peoples opinion on this?

would you prefer

a)
PCM 2.0 track
Mono audio
Commentary from 2004 DVD
Commentary from LD
Isolated Score Track

b)
5.1 DTS full bitrate track
Mono audio
Commentary from 2004 DVD
Commentary from LD
Isolated Score Track

c)
5.1 Dolby Digital
PCM 2.0 track
Mono audio
Commentary from 2004 DVD
Commentary from LD
Isolated Score Track

I am torn here. At the end of the day, a PCM 2.0 stereo will at best give you pseudo surround through your amplifier. Whereas, the 5.1 track I've constructed is based on this PCM track but will be 'properly' surround through the amplifier. However also consider this. a PCM track is uncompressed audio 2 channel audio at 1536 kbps. making a file in this case 1.313gigs in size. A DTS track has the same bitrate but that allowance is spread over 6 sound channels, rather than the 2 of PCM. however, it's a damn sight less compressed than Dolby Digital 5.1 which has a bitrate of 448kbps for all 6 tracks in the mix.


or

would you want both to be present on the disc? (bear in mind though you can't have full rate DTS and PCM without sacrificing 3 of the other four audio tracks due to space restrictions. however, PCM AND dolby can fit with the other four tracks present.)

if it's just PCM, then I save at a minimum 500mb of disc space. if you'd rather have the Dolby 5.1, then I save 1.3GB of disc space by dumping the 2.0 PCM track. If you'd rather DTS only , then I save the 500mb of the dolby 5.1 not being present and the DTS replaces the PCM in the disc budget.

So not to sidetrack too much.

1. comments on the menus welcome please.

2. comments regarding sound welcome.
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#147250
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.: The Lancer DVD Project :. (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/147250/action/topic#147250
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Moth3r

here it is, the link for the greedo scene.

this is wookiegroomer style frame comparison with both versions visibile on screen at the same time.

at the top is a LD OT scene from my old LD capture. this was 29.97 footage, pulled back to 23.976 and then speeded up to 25fps PAL to match my new file.

the new file is adapted 2004 DVD footage and resized for this comparison.

link for greedo scene
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#147225
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.: The Lancer DVD Project :. (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/147225/action/topic#147225
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I have encoded my menus into a DVD form for comments.

scored with music, effects and transistions. this is the final form I'm going with unless someone comes up with something I haven't thought of/better suggestion.

Comments and criticisms welcome.

if you like them , don't just drool, tell me why.

if you don't like them, same. tell me what you dislike.

http://s55.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=26716K5UHDRZS2JF5EKUNPADJO

LINK TO MENUS

@ MOTH3R : I will upload my corrected greedo scene for you to take a look at.
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#146928
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Info & Help Wanted: for DVD Menu Info
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/146928/action/topic#146928
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NTSC or PAL

1.85:1, 2.35:1 or

Anamorphic or 4:3?

all of this has a bearing on what size your picture should be.

NTSC is 720 x 480
PAL is 720 x 576

non anamoprhic 2.35:1 NTSC is 720 x 236
non anamorphic 2.35:1 PAL is 720 x 360

Anamorphic 2.35:1 NTSC is 720 x 360
Anamorphic 2.35:1 PAL is 720 x 430

that's a starting point but you need to give us some idea of what your using etc for more detail.
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#140061
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is there a list of 2004 DVD audio changes?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/140061/action/topic#140061
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as the title says. now I've moved onto the sound, is there a list of changes made to the 2004 audio on DVD?

I know about the rear channels being reversed
the 'there's no one here' line added to the stormtroopers on the falcon, the crap 'bong' as his head hits the door, the fanfare being too low on the trench dive.

are there any others?

also, anyone got a list of bits of dialogue or sound that were below par on the DVD release, I recall tarkin having a dodgy line that drew some comment.
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#139999
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.: The Lancer DVD Project :. (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/139999/action/topic#139999
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that's a fair comment. the point here is obviously, if I have 5.1 DTS, then there is no need for 5.1 Dolby Digital. However what I will say, as this is NOT a proper 5.1 DTS mix produced by a studio I wonder if there is any point. the sound is being created from an original PCM track so perhaps 5.1 DD is the way to go after all.

so, we have a choice.

1. 5.1 DTS, mono soundtrack, commentary track, motion menus, film
2. 5.1 DTS, PCM 2.0 sound, basic menus, film
4. half bitrate 5.1 DTS track, pcm 2.0 sound, mono soundtrack, commentary track, motion menus, film (theoretically possible based on my calculations, 1gb for dts, 1.3 pcm, 300 commentary, 300 mono, 5gb film, leaves 500 for menus. bear in mind for a half rate DTS track, that is still 200kbps higher than a full bitrate 5.1 dolby digital track. )
3. 5.1 Dolby Digital, PCM 2.0 sound, mono soundtrack, commentary track, motion menus, film


Update

don't forget, the official dvd from 2004 is only 5.5gb ish for the video file so that leaves 3gb of space for sound and menus. possible on a dual layer disc.
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#139897
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.: The Lancer DVD Project :. (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/139897/action/topic#139897
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As long as it was mixed correctly and didn't come out sounding like one of those crappy Asian boot tracks, DTS would be most welcomed!

well I don't think it will. the point being is that I'm using proper programs to do it. the dialogue has been isolated and removed from the rear surrounds and confined to the correct channels.

Would there be room?


the big question, would there be room.

I'm not entirely sure.

on the one hand, the Darth Editous version still looks excellent with about 4GB of video file.

the official release M2v file from the DVD is 5.5GB so when we consider 8.5GB of space on a Dual layer disc that leaves about 3GB if I bring my movie file in at about the same size.

by my calculations a full bitrate DTS track will come in at about 2GB. if that is the case then I must make some choices. you see a full stereo 2 channel PCM track weighs in at 1.3GB if we use the above figures for video as a rule of thumb that leaves me naff all space for motion menus, mono soundtrack, and menu music.

in fact I'll be so bold as to say it won't be enough. 200mb for motion menus and mono soundtrack just doesn't fit, the math doesn't track.

the original plan was to have

5.1 track which is about 600mb
1.0 mono track which is about 140mb
2.0 pcm track which is about 1.3gb
Gonzo commentary track which is about 200mb

that's about 2.3gb altogether. Leaving room for menus full 2 pass variable bitrate movie.

DTS on the other hand is bloody expensive in relation to allocation.

peoples opinions welcome on this.
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#139805
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Info Wanted: your opinions on the changing lightsabers colors in the OT
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/139805/action/topic#139805
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ooooh, interesting comment, which sample moth3r? maybe the fact its smaller is missing that out but when you see the full size, full res file, the original flicker in the footage is there. some shots just don't have it because the original underlying cruddy effect doesn't have it.

other thing to note. its really only ANH that has flicker. the flicker is way less obvious on ESB, so if that is the benchmark, there should be nex to know flicker.