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#692374
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Team Negative1 - The Empire Strikes Back 1980 - 35mm Theatrical Version (Released)
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Here is another 1080p sample from the very end of the movie. Just to change things up. Right before the credits.

Again, partial color correction has been done to it.

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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k2UAYivEONyMYV5Cmkt

Note : There is quite a bit of damage on the far right hand side of the frame.

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#692363
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Just as a better comparison, here is the Raw LPP vs GOUT for the intro, and flyover again.

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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k2ThzVBezL2VIg5ClcJ

And just to change things up, here's the very end ceremony before the credits kick in. 

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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k7HOVchKzzJQUS5Cldk

Its interesting to watch the movie synced up, and see where the edits line up, and the framing of the picture.

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#692110
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team negative1 - star wars 1977 - 35mm theatrical version (Released)
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Working together with another group means that no one would ever be able to share anything according to another person, due to liablility.

We have always said our version will be released and you can see for yourself the progress and status of it over the last few years. 

You will never be able to see any of the final or intermediate results of the other project. Just claims and random screenshots of the crawl, although the project might be somewhat complete.

Look at how many people have enjoyed Harmy's project.

You can't have it both ways. Either you share your final work and let other people see it, or you keep it to yourself and keep talking about how great it is.

We know that people want to see footage, and we are happy to post screenshots, videos, and comparisons as we go along.

Yes we know the rationale behind not sharing it, but since we don't have to deal with those issues, that's not stopping us, as we are in much better position and understand how to deal with the limitations of the circumstances.

Instead of being public about who we are, we choose to stay anonymous because we knew that ultimately that it would not hinder us. If we choose to go public, no one here on this site or anyone else would get a release.

We choose to share our final product with people, and we know that our version will be the best and highest quality available given our resources and knowledge. No one else can match those claims, and we have yet to see any proof or evidence of anything better out there.

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#692085
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team negative1 - star wars 1977 - 35mm theatrical version (Released)
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dillon said:

What I really love about this project from what I have seen so far, is the fact, that it really looks like 1977 again.

This trailer:

http://vimeo.com/49889448

awakens something in me I can't possibly describe.

You really feel the effort George Lucas and the whole crew put into this movie. It does not look like some cheap CGI-flick.

I'm depressed and sometimes even suicidal, but these things really keep me alive. 

 We agree that our preservation and restoration will be the best one out there that captures the feel of the original movie.

While Harmy's version is a nice recreation, it does not match what the original looked like. Even the technicolor reference is good, but not exact as it has a green cast to it, and depending on your interpretation, can vary in parts.

We have seen the samples provided to him, and we also have our own reference versions of the technicolors to look at also. We find the LPP has its own warmth and color reference that will provide a truer sense to us of one version of Star Wars that can't be captured with other means.

Also the technicolor versions out there are very beat up, and have lots of damage in them, compared to the relatively light damage to the headers and tails of the LPP.

There might be some comparisons of the two in the future.

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#692084
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Fantomas said:

What is the password for this video please ?

Password : OT

 It's in the first post of this thread:

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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/team-negative1-star-wars-1977-35mm-theatrical-version-release-details-and-updates/post/593114/#TopicPost593114

We have a lot of other videos, clips and examples. Throughout this thread. Please check the first one again, and there is a list of the links also.

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#691897
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team negative1 - star wars 1977 - 35mm theatrical version (Released)
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A red faded print of Star Wars 35mm sold for $500 on ebay recently:

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/35mm-Feature-Film-Star-Wars-Episode-IV-A-New-Hope-1981-/301102370842?nma=true&si=sZT3Fb5j8YkB5TV0KnFGM93NJg4%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Wonder if anyone here bought it. It was the stereo version.

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#691608
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team negative1 - star wars 1977 - 35mm theatrical version (Released)
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Here is a preview showing the raw comparison of the intro, ALTA, and crawl, and parts of the flyover.

Note, this is the unprocessed, uncorrected version.

We've posted the cleaned up intro and crawl before. (See previous links).

This compares a few of the laserdisc versions, and the SE.

You can see the different changes in the different films, and types as the changes occur.

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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k1R9n0GVbfYQWk5AwDr

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#691570
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Commenting, and questions can be a good thing. Not everyone knows what questions have been asked before. And also pointing out things that were overlooked, or wondering where things were different from the DVD or the many other versions can be enlightening.

Since I started this project from where the others have left off, I have learned quite a bit. Even with the basic information and clean up that is being done. I'm sure the other members of the team have heard many of the questions before.

Since I've been posting, I've started at the beginning of the film, and so a lot of it is just as new to me as it is to the newer members out there. I'm sure some of you saw more on the blog than I did, and I haven't caught up on all that information either.

So don't be shy about asking questions about the print. We can all learn new things from it.

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As far as the LPP intro goes. Yes, the original faded Kodak intro goes quite aways before it turns into the different splices of the LPP.

We will post the first few minutes of the comparison shortly.

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#691513
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We're glad that people realize that Mike V is doing a lot of good for Star Wars. It's too bad it had to be keep being brought up by the same people with the same arguments over and over again.

Hopefully, this will be put to rest so that he can keep on working on his project to completion. We knew it all along, but sometimes people have to be convinced.

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#691279
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Don't take it personally. There's a lot of ungrateful people out there. But if you start one, we'll be sure to keep hounding you until you are done, and constantly asking for progress reports.

Just claiming you read everything here and there doesn't mean anything. Anybody can do that. Reading it, understanding it, and being able to comment intelligently about a topic is hard, and takes work. That is what is being people are being asked to do, instead of just randomly bashing people without cause or understanding.

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#691267
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By the way, just to address some points in another thread. For those picking on Mike V, although he is not directly involved with our project, he has been a silent person behind the scenes that has impacted us also. We have also helped Harmy out. So those people that keep asking , what is with that project? , should know there is a lot of behind the scenes things going on that you are shielded from. If you know the work that he has done, you wouldn't dare keep asking why he bothers to post here. Just be glad he doesn't just disappear and leave you in the dark.

And for those that wonder why things that take so long, and keep asking for more previews. They should either learn to contribute and make comments instead of constantly repeating they want higher resolution scans or more. It's nice to be enthusiastic, but there is a reason and a timing for releasing material to maintain interest. There's no point in putting up screenshots for every single frame without context.

People that have contributed to the blog in the past, will be the first ones to get our restoration before anyone from OT. That is due to their contributions and for not constantly asking without doing anything for it. They have a right to entitlement unlike people that only ask and never do anything constructive.

We are willing to share our project because there is little to no risk for our team members. And although one member (group member [-1]) left awhile ago. The remainder of the team, and new members have picked up from where he had left off. He made it clear that he was done with the project, since the initial scans and rescans were done, and the project was well under way. There is no one pretending to be anyone here, and unless people are willing to post some proof or evidence, it's tiring to keep hearing the same baseless speculation that adds nothing to this thread. Unless that persons posts and says it himself, that would be proof, anything else is just distraction not paranoia. Remember, we are doing this for ourselves first and foremost, the only reason for sharing, is because other members have shared material with us, and the founder of this project wants it to be shared.

So for people that keep posting in other threads, speculation about this group, or whether this project will be complete or not, they should realize the real world nature of how long things take. Otherwise we would have ESB:R revisited and Team Blu's projects already. 

As far as the future, there are 2 IB tech scans already, and 2 more partial ones to go. Some are done in 4k, and the other ones might likely be also.

We've shown we can handle 2k, and 4k. But since no one except a small handful of people can watch it. There is no point in speculating about releasing those. They would be used to get a higher quality version that will be made into 2k and 1080p versions, and if they were made they will also be kept internally for reference.

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#690211
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team negative1 - star wars 1977 - 35mm theatrical version (Released)
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Here's a slowed down version of the part of the flyover where it switches between the two LPP prints.

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full 1080p images

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Multiple Downloads

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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k6YQoVRaNMDmEo5t2SK

(That was from the trailer posted for the project in post #1)

Here is an overview of part of the flyover, compared with 2 special edition versions and the original DVD.

You can see the blueish cast in the latter part of the clip.

NOTE: Some frames at the end are slightly out of sync.

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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k6CaV2gGh0pX7K5t2Vp

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#690074
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skyjedi2005 said:

Looks very yellow and brown is it supposed to look like that?

 Thanks for all the comments people. Appreciate it.

The flyover is unique to this print, and has a few issues that we will highlight.

There were actually 2 different LPP prints that were spliced together for it, that are different from the actual LPP one.

If you watch the trailer for this project, you will see the transition for it. We'll repost just that segment for inspection.

The rest of the LPP has a different blue-ish cast to it, but the core colors are all their.

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#690041
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Feallan said:

I thought your scanner was only 2K, 2048×1556. Have you upgraded it?

 We had used a Digital camera originally (which actually could do up to 8k pictures). Since then we've upgraded all our equipment for video captures, sound processing and stills.

The higher resolutions are for future proofing. However,  most of the work will be done at 2k because it's easier to process, takes up less space, and is a standard that can be made into 1080p, which is the final resolution.

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#690012
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Team Negative1 - The Empire Strikes Back 1980 - 35mm Theatrical Version (Released)
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Here's a sample of about 1min:40sec of the Fuji version of ESB from Reel 1.

You can see quite a bit of damage on it.

There is partial color correction done on it.

ESB Reel 1 - 1080p Fuji version

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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k5MDqaK2vceeWZ5soI6

See what you think, in comparison to the colors from the other versions out there.

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#690004
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We've got plenty of sources, and with the color correction specialist, they know how to adjust the colors to approximate the originals.

We have laserdiscs, VHS's, and bootlegs of the film versions.

See this thread for more samples.

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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-Colortiming-Cinematography-was-What-changes-was-done-to-STAR-WARS-in-93/topic/9805/

There are many samples of them there. Some are listed

in post 4 of this thread:

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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Team-Negative1-The-Empire-Strikes-Back-1980-35mm-Theatrical-Version-Release-Details-and-Updates/post/670914/#TopicPost670914

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Here is a sample glue frame from ESB. Not sure if it is in all the versions.

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The original 1080p frame:

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http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/1738/phpb.jpg

There is no thread for these, like there are for Star Wars:

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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-Tantives-Orange-Items-Thread-other-unintended-objects/topic/13355/

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#689998
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Here are 10 frames from the flyover.

2 different LPP's prints were spliced together for this scene.

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Here are the 3.2k x 2.4k original frames:

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Multiple Downloads

Img_0977.jpg (2.60MB)

No color correction, or cleanup was done on these samples.

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