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#710310
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Team Negative1 - Return of the Jedi 1983 - 35mm Theatrical Version (unfinished project)
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We've been going through one of the versions.

So far the colors look great. There is a lot of dust and scratches on it though, so it won't be that quick or easy to convert.

Hopefully the other versions will have cleaner frames.

There's quite a bit of noise on the tails and heads of each reel.

Also, there is a lot of inherent weave in the film itself. You can see the sockets are stabilized, but when they printed the film, the image moves around.

The entire image will need to be stabilized.

This is from reel 2:

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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/kPJsFZ4cPbM3kr848dO

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#710308
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Team Negative1 - The Empire Strikes Back 1980 - 35mm Theatrical Version (Released)
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Continuing the detention cell scene, with Leia and Han, and their meeting with Lando:

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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k4tHqjWDKtCVq9846OR

Thanks for the compliments.

But we haven't done any real work on these. These are from the first scan, and have color correction.

We will be posting some comparisons of the original versions from each of the prints, and compare to the newer ones.

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#710196
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Team Negative1 - The Empire Strikes Back 1980 - 35mm Theatrical Version (Released)
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Thanks for the compliment.

I think the audio is out of sync on some of them. My fault. They were ok in the original.

Anyways, in the second clip, did you notice Han knocking the stormtroopers helmet, and then him just walking away with it crooked. If you look at the one on the right, you will see that.

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#710183
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Team Negative1 - Return of the Jedi 1983 - 35mm Theatrical Version (unfinished project)
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Reposting from an earlier question from Adywan:

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when you get to the later part of the film.

adywan said:
There is something that i have been meaning to ask, but it seems you don't have a thread specifically for ROTJ, so i will ask here.

There is a section on ROTJ that is out of focus on the HDTV & Blu-Ray versions. As you have a print of ROTJ i'm hoping you can check this section and post some screenshots that can settle an ongoing argument. From the point of the shuttle reaching Endor and giving the code right up until the beginning of the speeder bike chase ther difference is sharpness is terrible. there seems to be some sort of horizontal smearing. The worse shot that really shows this problem off is the shot below. If you could just post a hi-res screengrab off your scan of this one shot then it would prove one way or another iif there was a huge problem with the official ROTJ transfer



and her is a comparison between 2 shots inside the shuttle of Han that also shows the difference between two sections of the film
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First, from : 
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Image Quality
There are moments in Return Of The Jedi where there is softness, one character can be seen in focus and the other is slightly out of focus or you get scenes which have soft focus for the entire frame, thats intentional and should not be confused with digital noise reduction, there is a moment approximately 54 minutes into the film where the quality suddenly drops, the moment in question is when Han, Luke, Princess Leia, Chewie and the droids are approaching the Death Star for clearance to go to the forest moon of Endor, the issue continues until around the 58 minute mark, at this point they are on the Endor moon, i have no idea why that happens, resolution seems to drop off, detail becomes poor and everything seems slightly out of focus, i don't think its the way it was filmed since the issue is seen on several differently shot sequences during those 4 or so minutes, perhaps when they originally did the film scans in 2004 something went wrong and its never been fixed.
On one of the prints, we have not noticed any difference in the shots.
They are as sharp as the rest of the film.
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#709890
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team negative1 - star wars 1977 - 35mm theatrical version (Released)
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Synnöve said:

If possible, please try to upload in PNG format as there are a lot of JPEG artifacts in the images you're posting.

 I don't know if that will help, but anyways they are just previews from the video. They still get recompressed by imgur.

They are only to show what the scene in the clip. Check out the video clip to see what it will look like.

If you want samples of uncompressed TIF, check here:

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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Team-Negative1-Return-of-the-Jedi-1983-35mm-Theatrical-Version-Release-Details-and-Updates/post/709585/#TopicPost709585

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#709880
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team negative1 - star wars 1977 - 35mm theatrical version (Released)
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The flicker will be reduced in the final version,

and the shots will be stabilized and cropped also.

Here are some preview shots from the previous clip:

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http://imgur.com/sz8ujpE

http://imgur.com/kEexCw4

http://imgur.com/hRbMQYC

http://imgur.com/IGMsawq

 

http://imgur.com/k0IS85h

http://imgur.com/tG1fIbL

http://imgur.com/wGwSmuh

http://imgur.com/HtRtseL

http://imgur.com/y8Z27Rm

http://imgur.com/eCpa369

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#709623
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Team Negative1 - Return of the Jedi 1983 - 35mm Theatrical Version (unfinished project)
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DavidMerrick said:

I'm looking forward to this more than Star Wars and Empire, primarily because Jedi was most harmed by the changes but also because I'm not ashamed to admit it's my favourite of the three.

Any shots of the original Sy Snootles?

 Here you go:

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http://imgur.com/ktzNt14

http://imgur.com/tcREYcH

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#709594
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team negative1 - star wars 1977 - 35mm theatrical version (Released)
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Preview pictures of the previous clip:

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http://imgur.com/Xg0Ewpx

http://imgur.com/Hj6nUqX

http://imgur.com/NbzxSIt

http://imgur.com/zTvsFgT

http://imgur.com/z3QfPK2

http://imgur.com/pxKTkeU

http://imgur.com/cRKOfjY

http://imgur.com/Y6Cm4J0

http://imgur.com/20eq6Nl

http://imgur.com/n0slTD6

http://imgur.com/RfbfBIZ

http://imgur.com/Mrw9tk2

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#709583
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Team Negative1 - The Empire Strikes Back 1980 - 35mm Theatrical Version (Released)
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We're not really sure what the issue, or confusion is. The images are what I have, and they are compressed, and compressed again by the websites. If you want high resolution images, please check here:

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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Team-Negative1-Return-of-the-Jedi-1983-35mm-Theatrical-Version-Release-Details-and-Updates/topic/16712/

There's not a lot you can do with it.

Also, it's not masking any of our work, because we haven't started doing anything with this film yet. These are just sample color corrected scans with no cleanup. None of the videos are final, they are just to show progress, and issues.

Hope that clarifies the situation.

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#709427
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Team Negative1 - Return of the Jedi 1983 - 35mm Theatrical Version (unfinished project)
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pittrek said:

After seeing the latest pics I simply have to ask - didn't you guys plan to release first a "raw" scan and later a "cleaned up" version of it? Because I hate to repeat myself, but the samples you're posting look good enough to me. So is the plan to release the "raw" scans dead already?

 No current plans to release the raw scans.

What would be the point, when the movie hasn't been released.

There are plenty of splices, and other fixes that need to be done, and as shown with Empire, while it may look 'clean', we would never want to release anything that isn't up to the standard that we want.

That's why we're making the effort of doing it right. It might take longer this way. But the results will be worth the wait, just like anything else.

You can see the results of the years of cleanup effort in the Star Wars samples as posted.

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#709424
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Team Negative1 - The Empire Strikes Back 1980 - 35mm Theatrical Version (Released)
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bkev said:

I'm, maybe a bit ironically, more okay with compressed videos on hosting services than still images.  Those I understand -- it's easier access for everyone involved, and supposedly different members of the Team have different quality clips available.  That's fine.

It's just the still images continually posted here, from day one that -1 posted, with this quality that baffle me.

Yes, we do have different images. Not everyone has broadband access, and also hosting sites have file limits.

For larger images, I guess you haven't looked here:

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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Team-Negative1-Return-of-the-Jedi-1983-35mm-Theatrical-Version-Release-Details-and-Updates/topic/16712/

There were also many 2k images posted for Star Wars.

There will be higher quality pictures once we get the better quality scans.

These are all previews of previous, earlier versions as stated, and are not meant to convey final quality. We haven't even started to work on this film yet.

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