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Harmy said:

So, the resulting restoration will be 2K but sourced mostly from 4K scans? Sounds good to me :-)

Are you swapping the sources and re-rendering the work you've already finished before or are you keeping those parts from the 2K scan?

 The previously completed work will remain. However, there are a few scenes that had some smearing, and other issues that will benefit that will be redone.

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Previously it was at 2k, and now we can do 4k. But we always downsample it to make the files reasonable to work with.

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We will get back to posting some comparison shots and previews shortly. Will be interesting to compare our original faded versions to these new ones.

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We expect to a much better version of the complete mono mix shortly, there is still room for improvement as it is not from a 35mm source.

But it is definitely a step up from the current sources out there.

More news once we have it.

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We are quietly making progress with almost 4 reels done now. Hopefully we will have some new previews to show.

As our hardware has improved, we are rescanning the entire LPP print at a higher resolution. This should not impact the current work being done, but might also speed up some of the work on the rest of the print.

Will post more information and possibly some previews once we get it.

Our initial scans had a few scenes that will benefit from a higher resolution and the new process.

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There is actually a third print coming along that we should be getting. At this point its mostly the heads and tails that have the damaged portions. This print may have better versions, we will see.

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We hope to preview the second print of Jedi shortly. We will post reviews and comparisons once we get them. Then we will collaborate with Harmy.

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Here is a partially corrected shot from the earlier Fuji version:

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Full version: http://i.imgur.com/3XnusMg.jpg

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Here is the raw Fuji version of the medical tank scene:

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Full size: http://i.imgur.com/9MJ5d20.jpg

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ScruffyNerfHerder said:

team_negative1 said:

Other scenes, have a blue, or red tint to them. I doubt the original looked

like this when projected, or else we've been seeing a very different looking

film than this one.

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 Great news on the print! Is it possible to see video of some of the scenes with the blue/red tints? The underlined statement has me very intrigued! 

 This is a very subjective issue. Obviously the film has a type of fading that causes certain scenes to fade differently from other scenes.

From cinch:

color have faded and, depending on density of the stock, will have faded differently from shot to shot, note the scene when the power generator gets blown up.

Also from : http://www.afana.org/preservation.htm

Fuji Color:  Stable, but slightly shifts toward blue.  Made from the 1970s, its dates are coded between sprockets by year, not Eastman symbol. Older Fuji tends to turn purplish

Fujicolor has the tendency to degenerate into 'fujirot' which are colored dots that appear all over the emulsion. Cause is unknown but it might be either bad processing and storage or an inherent flaw with the stock itself since the same phenomenon is rare on Eastmancolor stock.

We are indeed seeing this happen.

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Here is the image of the marks on the floor:

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Full image: http://i.imgur.com/7owBxOk.jpg

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Nick66 said:

doubleofive said:

Nick66 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

https://plus.google.com/photos/109609428403596349302/albums/6044645069501365185/6044646111961669794?pid=6044646111961669794&oid=109609428403596349302

This is possibly the most minor change of all, but since it was an SE change it must be fixed! I noticed that in the GOUT there is a large mark on the floor (and more smaller ones) near Leia's feet, and it's gone in the SE.

I couldn't post the image here, so I posted the link.

 Hmmmm. I can't see any kind of mark.

Found it:



They look like spent shell casings from Leia's blaster. I guess we were all looking at the windows for so long we missed the floor!

 Are we sure that's just not something on the print? I mean, it seems to me that's the kind of thing that would be cleaned up in even the most purist's version of a UOT restoration.

 Yes, we can verify that the marks are there on 4 our of prints. Will post a screenshot of them.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Is the Rancor going to be restored, or would that not be possible with the available sources?

 We are trying to assist wherever we can, within reason:

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These are some observations from viewing the new Fuji print of ESB

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Reel 1

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Damage at the head

Slightly brighter right edge - bleed through of a yellow border.

Starfields have a blue tint

It looks like there are brown and yellow grain spots on the scenes with snow.

The grain is lot heavier on this print than the Kodak SP print.

Some of the snow scenes have some blue tint in them.

Scene with Leia and shield doors closing looks reddish.

Luke and Ben scene in the snow is bluish.

Medical droid scene looks very red when Luke is pulled out.

Reel 2

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Some slight damage at head of reel.

Snow speeder battle is very good.

There are some reddish pink areas in some of the explosions from the effects shots.

Skies have a natural blue look.

Matte lines are visible in effects shots.

Scan lines and holograms look great.

R2D2 has black panels once they are in space leaving Hoth.

Interior shots of Millenium Falcons cockpit,look reddish/yellowish for the effects shots or are saturated.

Tie Fighters are a nice dark shade of blue.

Canyon chase scene has bright explosion.

Reel 3

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Brief damage at head of reel.

Lukes scene landing on Dagobah look dark, and have a reddish tint.

Darth Vaders 'egg' looks yellowish, not white

Millenium falcon cockpit scenes look saturated.

Smoke, fog looks very good.

Holograms look good.

Original Emporer looks clear and sharp.

Initial scene in Yoda's hut has a reddish tint to it

Yoda training scenes with Luke are reddish at times.

Damage at tail end of reel.

Reel 4

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Slight damage at header of reel.

Light saber colors in the cave look good.

Interior scenes with Millenium Falcon look saturated.

Cloud city skies look orange.

Cloud city hallways and lighting look orange.

Ben's ghost looks very good.

Reel 5

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Some damage at header.

Some weave during the first few scenes.

Cloud city walls look very good.

Darth Vader scenes, and boba fett look like correct colors.

Smoke and particles in the freezing chamber look natural.

Lots of grain in cloud scenes when Luke is flying into cloud city.

Carbon chamber scene has lots of great looking orange and blue shades.

Lots of grain on walls scenes when Luke is walking through corridors.

The duel scene looks spectacular for the carbon chamber scenes.

Lightsaber colors are very vivid.

Light damage at end of the reel.

Reel 6

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Some damage at header of the reel.

Some light weave during the reel.

The continuation of the light saber duel looks great.

Laser blasts and smoke particles look good.

When Vader asks Luke to join the dark side, the scene is very sharp and clear looking.

Interior scenes with the falcon need to be adjusted.

Blue tie fighters and green laser blasts are fine.

Starfields look good.

Final credits have correct look and colors to them but need cleanup for dirt and scratches.

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Basically, this print is the best quality we have seen so far.

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There is minor damage on the heads of most of the reels.

Various scenes are overly saturated, but that can be corrected easily.

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Other scenes, have a blue, or red tint to them. I doubt the original looked

like this when projected, or else we've been seeing a very different looking

film than this one.

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The amount of grain is more than the Kodak in some places, however there

are other scenes that are very sharp, and rival the bluray in detail.

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There is a light weave through the entire film, this can be corrected

by stabilizing it later on.

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We will definitely be using most of this print as the basis for the final

version, unless a sharper version with higher quality shows up.

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The sound is complete, and there do not appear to be any frames missing,

if there are, we will replace them from other sources. Also, there are clicks,

pops and some crackle, so those will have to be fixed also.

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Good to be able to add this resource to our library of prints.

Team Negative1

Most of those scene changes won't matter, because we have the original 35mm source, and sometimes more than one of them, which will be used.

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We will not be in a rush for any reason. Good things come to those that wait.

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kk650 said:

team_negative1 said:

Seeing how there is a lot of interest in some of the altered scenes. We will try to post a few shots. It looks like the Darth Vader unmasking scene with the eyebrows is a popular one.

Also we have contacted Harmy about sharing some scenes. Hopefully we will have something suitable for him to use.

We are still evaluating our second scan currently

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Would you be willing to share the unaltered scenes of Lapti Nek and Yub Nub with me as well?

I would much prefer to have 35mm sources for these two scenes to work with in order to reinsert them into the Return of the Jedi V2 Semi-Specialised Edition i'm planning to release soon. I've been able to get fairly satisfactory results from upscaling the GOUT and manipulating the image dynamics a bit but I'm certain the 35mm sources you have available of those two scenes look much better and more filmic.

 Send us a PM, and we'll consider it. We don't have a time frame, and Harmy will probably come out with his version first.

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There are pictures and videos posted by Team members that are more recent starting from page 10 of this thread:

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The pictures are usually lower quality previews.

The videos are all 720p and 1080p, and are from scans made from 3 different prints with reels from Kodak and Fuji.

Currently we are evaluating a low fade Fuji print, and possibly an LPP for the 16mm and 35mm versions.

We'll have more to report once we have some definite samples.

Our scans are made with a custom rig and range from 2k-4k, downsampled to 1080p. We have our own dolby decoder to convert the sound from the prints.

This is purely a fan based preservation, and restoration project with no commercial involvement, or plans. We are privately and self funded and are not publicly known, with no plans to be.

All our material is for historical and educational use.

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Seeing how there is a lot of interest in some of the altered scenes. We will try to post a few shots. It looks like the Darth Vader unmasking scene with the eyebrows is a popular one.

Also we have contacted Harmy about sharing some scenes. Hopefully we will have something suitable for him to use.

We are still evaluating our second scan currently

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We have previewed 2/3 of the film so far, and it looks like there is slightly less damage on the later reels. The color is consistent, but one other thing of note :

From cinch: "empire seems to have been made with 70mm in mind, the sides of the 35mm scope image are blacked out to bring the ar closer to 2.2:1."

That will make for some interesting choices once we are closer to completing this scan.

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MrPib said:

team_negative1 said:

We have been previewing the new Fuji print. Though slightly dirty on the headers and tails parts, the rest looks fairly clean.

It will possible to use this as a good color reference going forward for future versions. So less guessing on what the colors will look like.

A full review will be forthcoming.

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 Fantastic!  Do you have a way to clean the physical film?

Yes, we use filmguard, and it helps quite a bit.

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We have been previewing the new Fuji print. Though slightly dirty on the headers and tails parts, the rest looks fairly clean.

It will possible to use this as a good color reference going forward for future versions. So less guessing on what the colors will look like.

A full review will be forthcoming.

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Ok, it's good to know which other parts are important. We have sent you an email Harmy, and will let you know once we're ready.

You will be contacted by the Team.

Thanks

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