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#899154
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team negative1 - star wars 1977 - 35mm theatrical version (Released)
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Just wanted to answer a few more thoughts about this project.

The project goals for this release were to preserve the movie in close to the theatrical version
as we could.

Therefore, we have not included subtitles, or other features as most releases have.

We know the community here at OT, is more than capable of adding back those requested.

For the Subtitles

We would rather use the few Gigabytes needed for subtitles for the movie. People can make
a custom version later on.

GOUT comptability

Due to the timeframe we had, we didn’t have time to match them, and in fact with some of the
frames missing, it was not a priority.

We will add back what we can for the Bluray.

Audio

Again, we used something we had to get it synced for the MKV, rather than taking more time
to use theatrical versions. This will be fixed in the future relase. We are only concentrating
on the Stereo 35mm, and the mono 16mm, along with the mono Spanish.

Any further audio tracks will have to be added as a custom version.

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A few of our Team Members are going to be taking a break for awhile from this project.

Progress on the Bluray will continue at a slower pace, but that will be it for the time
being, along with Empire Strikes Back - Sanitized.

Any corrections, and issues at that point will stop with the 1.5 version.

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We have already started moving onto the next set of projects.

  • Return of the Jedi (LPP)
  • Star Wars (Eastman vs Technicolor)

We did mention Empire Strikes Back (Fuji), but that will be a project taken on without a current timeframe,
but will be a dedicated restoration.

There will be more details of other projects as we get to them.

Team Negative1

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#899142
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team negative1 - star wars 1977 - 35mm theatrical version (Released)
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For further information, and discussion, please go to:

http://www.thestarwarstrilogy.com/

https://www.facebook.com/The-Star-Wars-Trilogy-441501702602041/

Image comparison with Bluray

http://imgur.com/a/0AGSZ

Video Samples Comparison

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwsda6LhKc4gTUIg8u5bLGw

Team Negative1

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#898874
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team negative1 - star wars 1977 - 35mm theatrical version (Released)
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To answer some question, since the Bluray will take some time, we will be putting out a 1.1 MKV version.
This will only fix a few issues (the rest will be fixed later).

  • volume to introduction will be lowered
  • color correction to scene
  • fix framerate for container

And possibly any other minor errors.

We’ll see about encoding tweaks for this.

Sound, subtitles and other issues will have to be addressed later.

Team Negative1

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#898533
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team negative1 - star wars 1977 - 35mm theatrical version (Released)
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Beber said:

Okay, so now my question : when I split the video to get rid of your introduction so I just have the movie on its own, I noticed the audio came down from 256 kbps to 192 kbps, according to MediaInfo. So my guess is that the 256 kbps only concern your introduction, right? Isn’t 192 kbps a little down? What is it supposed to be when the Dolby is decoded from the print?

Actually, we used the GOUT audio, at 192k. For the Bluray, we are going to try to use higher bitrates, and better versions of the Audio.

Team Negative1

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#898440
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team negative1 - star wars 1977 - 35mm theatrical version (Released)
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DrDre said:

I watched the entire film, and it looks amazing! The colors, detail, and cleanup are excellent. Thanks a lot for all your hard work team, it’s been a lot of years in the making, but it’s definitely worth it. I’m already looking forward to your future projects…

Thanks Dre, and of course without your tool to help, it would have taken longer. Which is why we thanked you again in the credits, so everyone knows.

Also, unlike some want-to-be Sherlock types, that can’t bother to read who the rest of the Team members are, they are mentioned also. Maybe they will tell us the sky is blue, or that grass is green next.

Team Negative1

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#898267
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team negative1 - star wars 1977 - 35mm theatrical version (Released)
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Some of you may get this reference, and if you don’t, just ignore it.

From the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy:

Arthur is discussing why he didn’t see the plans for demolition of his house:

MISTER PROSSER:
But Mister Dent the plans have been available in the planning office for the last nine months!

ARTHUR DENT:
Yes! I went round to find them yesterday afternoon. You’d hadn’t exactly gone out of your way to pull much attention to them have you? I mean, like actually telling anybody or anything.

MISTER PROSSER:
The plans were on display.

ARTHUR DENT:
Ah! And how many members of the public are in the habit of casually dropping around the local planning office of an evening?

MISTER PROSSER:
Er - ah!

ARTHUR DENT:
It’s not exactly a noted social venue is it? And even if you had popped in on the off chance that some raving bureaucrat wanted to knock your house down, the plans weren’t immediately obvious to the eye were they?

MISTER PROSSER:
That depends where you were looking.

ARTHUR DENT:
I eventually had to go down to the cellar!

MISTER PROSSER:
That’s the display department.

ARTHUR DENT:
With a torch!

MISTER PROSSER:
The lights, had… probably gone.

ARTHUR DENT:
So had the stairs!

MISTER PROSSER:
Well you found the notice didn’t you?

ARTHUR DENT:
Yes. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet, stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying “Beware of the Leopard”. Ever thought of going into advertising?

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Congratulations to those of you who found the plans!

Team Negative1

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#898188
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team negative1 - star wars 1977 - 35mm theatrical version (Released)
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Regarding grain. It’s mostly a personal preference.

Some notes, you may have read in the FAQ:

  1. Harmys version, and Bluray are clearer - Yes

But they never appeared like that in the theater. Release prints were never one generation away from the Negative, so they would never appear that clear, even day one.

2 What if it was a Technicolor print

Then the colors would be closer, but then it still wouldn’t look as sharp. Technicolor prints were only shown in the UK mostly (there are some German, and other ones out there), and that was in 1978. They wear down like other prints when it comes to damage, and usage.

3 What about this LPP

This wasn’t show in a Spanish theater either, from what we gather. It might have been a copy made for a movie collector, or shown on Spanish Television.

4 Future projects and color sources

We do have an Eastman project forthcoming (Along with colors from Technicolor in the works)

Hinted at here: http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/What-does-Lucasfilm-or-George-Lucas-really-have-as-Reference-Material/id/47412

Stay tuned for more.

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So basically, the grain, is real grain from the print. You could run a clean up on it, but we wanted to preserve it to match what grain might have been if this print was projected.

So, the movie didn’t look like this in the theater, and due to its LPP nature, it is more Grainy than Eastman Kodak shots, which you can see the replacements are sharper for in certain scenes, like Han shoots first, and the Crawl.

By the way, we actually did have a Screening of this very print a few years ago, in a theater,
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Private-Screening-of-Star-Wars-1977-35mm-spanish-LPP-USA-oct-2012/id/14719

and we are planning future screenings of the digital versions.

We will post more details once they are finalized.

Team Negative1

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#898075
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Team Negative1 - Return of the Jedi 1983 - 35mm Theatrical Version (unfinished project)
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We’ve been given the OK to mention it here. But we are hoping when Harmy has the time to help out with our version of Return of the Jedi, he can assist us. To what extent, we haven’t quite gotten there yet, but we will all have to wait and see.

We look forward to his contributions, and expertise, and will post more information when appropriate.

Of course, once this project is released, he will also be using scenes for his future versions also.

Team Negative1

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#898031
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team negative1 - star wars 1977 - 35mm theatrical version (Released)
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We would like to take a moment, to address a few things:


1 Thanks to all the people that have made comments, and have appreciated our work.

2 This release was initially intended to be released last year, around Christmas or New Years, however due to some last minute changes, we had to postpone it.

We had planned for a bigger notice, but when we thought it was ready, it wasn’t so we had to pull the mention of it.

One of the Team members, actually wanted it to be a silent release, so we respected those wishes.

Note, that we haven’t mentioned anywhere where to get it, or how its to be distributed, although that’s implied in the first post, and the FAQ (which came later).

Obviously, we know about public releases, trackers, etc. However, as mentioned by many other members, our focus was on completing our project. Other people have stepped up on the distribution.

Believe it or not, people still copy discs, and mail them, or have showings, so when we say share it, that is what the intent was.


3 Many of our Team members do not belong to OT, do NOT post, or monitor this site. They are too busy working on things, and rely on others to handle issues such as distribution, and technical issues reporting.

In fact, a few of the members don’t have internet access, or high speed access, and also a member ended up having to download the final version from Myspleen.

For people on this board, they are rewarded for following this project, and participating in it by leaving comments, and in other ways. That is why they are given first notice, and early access.

4 We do not have a timeframe for the BD ISO. It’s going to take some time to assemble it.

We WILL BE DISTRIBUTING COPIES BY MAIL to members of our previous blogs, and those that have contributed. If your physical address has changed (from your current paypal one), PM us with the current one.

This will be done with no charge to you. More details will be sent by email.

Also, we plan on making that Disc image, and exclusive material to those members again first.

5 We can only make so many corrections, and fixes, before we have to consider a project finished.

We have major upcoming plans for the rest of our projects, so keep checking back for updates.


Thank you for your enthusiasm, and keep the responses coming.

We will continue to respond, and address issues when we can.

Team Negative1