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#897746
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team negative1 - star wars 1977 - 35mm theatrical version (Released)
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There was talk of making it more like a ‘Theatrical’ Experience, with the movie theater bumpers, and promos, along with Introductory movie trailers.

That was not the intent, obviously, we wanted to have our own introduction, which you are free to remove as long as we are credited for using in your own project.

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#897728
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Team Negative1 - The Empire Strikes Back 1980 - 35mm Theatrical Version (Released)
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A combination of things. Releases will have their own unique names. Also, the restoration of Empire Strikes Back, will be more in line of what was done with Star Wars, utilizing a better print, and much more careful processes for cleanup.

This was a one person, semi-automated cleanup, with little to no color corrections done.

A full restoration would have careful cleanup, cropping, deflickering, stabilization, and extensive color correction done to it.

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#897637
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team negative1 - star wars 1977 - 35mm theatrical version (Released)
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I know you guys don’t want to release a 50gb image and I’m not trying to convince you.

But dual layer capable burners have been common…

That may be so, but even most people on our team don’t have them, as the unwieldiness of that size is a deterrent for working with and making changes.

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#897634
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team negative1 - star wars 1977 - 35mm theatrical version (Released)
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Aquabat said:

This is awesome. Any chance of a version above 25 GB? 25 GB is a little small for a 1080p movie; especially one with grain. Criterion releases of grainy movies are regularly 40+ GB.
There are no plans to release any versions bigger than 25 G, due to negligible differences in quality.

Also,most people don’t have double layer bluray burners or media.

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#897438
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What does Lucasfilm or George Lucas really have as Reference Material
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This is the Senator print reference:

http://i.imgur.com/OGURVDZ.jpg

Our reference.

http://i.imgur.com/ic8mWAd.jpg

Another screenshot from the Senator:

http://i.imgur.com/Dxu5261.jpg

Our reference.

http://i.imgur.com/pZcxaX3.jpg

Lucasfilm did not end up using the Tech as a reference. Harmy’s version used it much more.

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#897426
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team negative1 - star wars 1977 - 35mm theatrical version (Released)
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Star Wars - 35mm LPP Silver screen version FAQ v1.0b

Welcome, from Team Negative1 to our FAQ for our release of
Star Wars 35mm Silver Screen version.


NOTE : We will not be replying to any technical issues, such as burning
discs, or playback. Please refer to the Technical forums on OriginalTrilogy.com

Similarily, any requests for color changes or corrections will have to
be done on your own. Our choices are presented as a reference.


Goals

Our philosophy was to restore the print back to what it would have been viewed like
theatrically. It is not a pristine cleaned version. We have cleaned major dust and dirt,
stabilized, deflickered, and color corrected it. It is also cropped theatrically,
although there is slightly more image in the original scans which was not intended
to be viewed in the theater.

Source information and Details

Q : What is this sourced from?
A : This version is a digital recreation of Star Wars sourced from different 35mm prints.

Q : What was used from which print?
A : The primary source was a Spanish 35 mm LPP print.
The intro and crawl were from a faded English Eastman Kodak print. (Does not have Episode 4 in it)
The Han shoots first scene was sourced from a faded Eastman Kodak print.
There are also several replacement shots throughout the movie from faded Eastman Kodak prints.

Q : What was it scanned at?
A : The majority of it was taken from 2k scans, but some sections were scanned in 4k,
and downsampled to 2k.

Q : What is an LPP print.
A : It is a type of print that is Low fade Positive Print, and retains colors better than
the Eastman Kodak types that fade.

Q : Some shots look blurry and lower resolution?
A : Any shot with effects will have lower resolution, due to multiple copies for that process.

Q : There are dirt and some shots with marks on them?
A : For our restoration, we chose to leave original marks, matte lines, and boxes in the film.
So keep an eye out for those, along with the reel change marks.

Q : The bluray has more detail.
A : Yes, the scans of these prints, will never be able to match that clarity due to multiple
process used to produce a release print. However, many scenes are still as sharp or sharper.

Q : How authentic are the colors.
A : Although not a Technicolor, which is a different process. This version accurately matches
the colors of the print if it were being projected. We have compared this with projected versions,
and the match is fairly close. Shots were color corrected scene by scene in a lot of the film.

Q : How long did it take to do this?
A : The project started 7 years ago, but 4 years is when the bulk of the work was done. With
the fine tuning and quality checks in the last year.

Q : How many releases are there?
A : Currently we have 1) MKV 1080p 2) Bluray 1080p ISO file versions. There may be more
downconverts, and a few updates, on the audio, images, and other items released
later on. We do not currently have plans for a Grindhouse version of this.

Q : Do I have to pay for this?
A : NO, this is a free fanedit restoration. Just make sure you support Disney, and Lucasfilm.

Q : Where can I find it?
A : Usenet groups(eventually), and private trackers like Myspleen, sharing site tehparadox.

Thanks for checking this out, and also look for the previously released Empire Strikes Back
Grindhouse series (3 releases).

Future Plans

Return of the Jedi, and a few more surprises are being worked on currently.

Other releases

  • Star Wars 8mm
  • Star Wars EIAJ tape
  • Star Wars CED trilogy (pre-laserdisc)

May the Force be with You

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#897367
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team negative1 - star wars 1977 - 35mm theatrical version (Released)
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Harmy said:

I was thinking about saying the above on my facebook page but I’m not sure what your distribution channels are and whether you wanted to go so public (currently nearly 27,000 people on the page).
I could put it up on tehparadox, if you wanted.

Harmy,

Please do. We want the word and the news to spread.

Thanks.

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#897364
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team negative1 - star wars 1977 - 35mm theatrical version (Released)
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Harmy said:

Wow! Looks great! Until I can make a new version of Despecialized (and this will be an invaluable asset in doing that) I would definitely recommend Team Negative 1’s version over Despecialized v2.5.

Thanks Harmy,

You’ve been a big part in giving us some publicity. We appreciate your comments.

We anticipate great things for the future, and there will be more news about it soon.

Team Negative1

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#897362
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team negative1 - star wars 1977 - 35mm theatrical version (Released)
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Darth Lucas said:

If Team Negative1 doesn’t mind, I may potentially like to use this for my custom blu-ray project which has to this point used Harmy’s v2.5 as its source. Would this be a problem with the Team? If not I understand and will continue as I was.

Feel free to use it in your project.

Just make sure the proper credits are given.

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#894729
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Team Negative1 - Return of the Jedi 1983 - 35mm Theatrical Version (unfinished project)
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There were some posts from Harmy comparing prints, here are some pictures from one of our scans:

Lucasfilm

Alt text

http://i.imgur.com/2qjkJir.jpg

A long time ago

Alt text
http://i.imgur.com/EYaBRBQ.jpg

Both of these match up, with the other scan, though these are from an LPP.

They are different from the GOUT spacing.

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#894718
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Team Negative1 - The Empire Strikes Back 1980 - 35mm Theatrical Version (Released)
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While the rendering for the 25 G mkv version will be going on. We are also working on a more manageable 9 G mkv 720p version also for those that want a smaller size.

ESB Sanitized V3 - [Eastman-Fuji Hybrid]

Format : 720p 9G MKV
VIDEO : 720p .h264 video
AUDIO : 35mm theatrical, PCM audio (not restored)

We hope sometime by next week, this version will go up, for those that want
a good quality preview, before the larger version gets released.

Alt text

http://i.imgur.com/PSXqDUy.jpg

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#894096
Topic
What does Lucasfilm or George Lucas really have as Reference Material
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Many times, it has been said that George Lucas has used a
Technicolor print as the reference for the SE editions.

Through the last few years, we have come up with some
more information about that.

Take it for what you will.

First though. A reference:

http://www.liftgammagain.com/forum/index.php?threads/star-wars-the-force-awakens-official-teaser.3931/

“Actually, we used George Lucas’ personal Tech IB print for comparison when I worked on the digital color-correction of Star Wars and Jedi at ILM in San Rafael. You can always make the argument that all previous home video versions looked different, but this was the only version that was actually supervised and approved by the director. Good or bad, it’s what he specifically wanted.”

Now this person is accredited, so it might be right.

However, from what we know, basically George Lucas consulted
with the film collector community, and ended up borrowing
the IB Tech print that might have been used as a reference.

Yes, they have negatives, and better sources. But they didn’t
have time to really use the Tech, or do much with it.

Remember the IB Tech print from the Senator screening, well that and
about 4 other Techs are out there. All of them have damage on them,
and need to be cropped heavily. Almost all have been scanned now,
and will be digitally combined, but not by Disney or FOX.

Time will tell how this actually plays out.

Also the claims of not having enough time to clean and restore
the prints, along with the cost of it are questionable also.

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#893945
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Sources on the Special Edition
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none said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9ynzTw8XMU

AMC on Film Restoration 1993

This piece gives you a peak into what was about to happen to SW.  Early digital film preservation/frame change.   Details on how the digital audio was modified by taking a small audio clip from a fraction of a second before or after.  Also about the visuals, where they take again a piece of the frame from one frame before or after to cover imperfections.

After watching this, finding myself more and more interested in seeing the original digital film capture.  This report gives a good sense of how much work goes into this digital replacement.  Can’t call it clean up anymore in my eyes.

Here’s an updated link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE_UCVyVJjA

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#892908
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Team Negative1 - The Empire Strikes Back 1980 - 35mm Theatrical Version (Released)
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Here is the current plan for the release of Empire Strikes Back - Sanitized.

1 Just to get the ball rolling, a first 25 G mkv file, which will be a bare release 3.0
for those that just want to get it first, and play it their computers:


  • English 35mm audio (not restored)
  • 1080p video h.264 encoding

2 After that a slightly improved version 3.1 - 25 G BD ISO, which is for people that
would like to burn it to a disc, and watch it on TV, or projectors:


  • Basic menu
  • English 35 audio
  • 1080p video h.264
  • Possible color correction on a few scenes

===============================================================
We really don’t have time to polish it any more currently or
add the usual features.

We would like the community to help in releasing these :

1 Subtitles (English, and others)
2 Make it GOUT compatible
2a Include Different mixes
3 Once GOUT compatible
3a Include different audio languages


4 Optional - Color correction on certain scenes

If you work on any of these, please post them here, and we will credit
you once done, and package those along with it.

At this point, there will be slight differences from the previous
Grindhouse version, so those files from that can probably be
further improved to be compatible with this release.


As stated, this was never meant to be a full blown restoration,
but a version to hold people over, until a more complete one can
be done.

There will still be some minor issues in it, but you can see from the
previews the amount of cleanup that has been done. It will be a much
more enjoyable version for those that want to sit back and have a bit
more of a polished version, visually.

Team Negative1

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#892886
Topic
Star Wars theatrical versions not coming in 2015
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We’ve mentioned the scans at the Library of Congress before, from a few years ago,
only Return of the Jedi is in decent shape, the other two are faded:


Link to document

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/team-negative1-star-wars-1977-35mm-theatrical-version-release-details-and-updates/id/14590/page/99#888103

Link to PDF

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/team-negative1-star-wars-1977-35mm-theatrical-version-release-details-and-updates/id/14590/page/99#888125

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#892804
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Team Negative1 - The Empire Strikes Back 1980 - 35mm Theatrical Version (Released)
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Watched the near final preview. There are some new fixes made.
-The intro and crawl have been cleaned up further.
-Luke going into the cave, further cleanup.
-Head and tail of Reel 4, further cleanup.
-Reel 5 has had further cleanup.
-Reel 6 has had further cleanup since the preview.
-The end credits have been cleaned.

Once these have been re-inserted, we will sync
the sound(which has not been as fixed up yet),
and be able to release it in another week or two.

A BD ISO will follow shortly afterwards.

Team Negative1