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True. We appreciate all the feedback, it does help. And we do want you to feel like you a part of this project.
Here is the completed clip:
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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/kFjgphSJeegquzbeJ4b
Team Negative1
Some of our team members are just getting into VHS players. In fact one member just got their first player 1 year ago.
It's a nice technology, but rather primitive.
It's a lot easier to record with than optical discs though.
Team Negative1
There are many issues with the 8mm print.
1) We did not correct duplicate frames.
2) Color correction is hard. We don't claim that what we do will look right in all cases. The previous tests were doing an automated test, taking the colors from other sources.
Here are some of the other tests, that still need further work,
note that there are still some blown out parts, and contrast and brightness issues:
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3) There are hardly any stars in the original files either, and the brightness and contrast have not been adjusted either.
We are hoping this test spurs other people to take the Original files, and come up with their own versions, with color correction, and other fixes.
Team Negative1
Ok, we went back and rechecked the clip.
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1) There was an issue with the first part of the clip, a layer of cleanup was left in obscuring some detail. This has been fixed.
2) The comparison script, and method with all the compression is being changed.
This way, there won't be some many levels.
3) The clips are A/B checked against the orignals.
4) There is some light auto cleanup, but that's not what caused the problem.
5) This is just a first pass WIP, there is more checking going on, as these aren't final clips.
6) There will several people checking it before it goes final.
So in the end, we wouldn't worry too much about the comparison clips, there's some dropped frame going on to sync the scenes. Don't try to extrapolate too much from them.
We have at least 3 people working on that are experienced in it. These clips are just to show some of the progress being made.
I don't think we need to put all the disclaimers on every single video we post as being works in progress.
The only posted cleaned final clips, are the Intro, Crawl, and end credits.
Note, that some of the Orange marks accidentally got erased also.
Here's the fixed intro clip:
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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k4gXRsA4EstzO0beDWq
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If you want a better idea of what our cleaned clips look like, check out the 2 minute preview in the 8mm version, or from the links in the posts above. (Disregard the compression).
We'll post the completed clip shortly.
Team Negative1
As mentioned previously, the comparison goes through at least 3 consecutive compressions, thus causing the detail loss.
We'll post the standalone video shortly.
Team Negative1
Here is more cleanup of some of the iconic scenes from the first reel, continuing from the flyover:
Lots of tricky blurred scenes, and motion shots in there.
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Video comparison:
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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/kOPISMWzfC9eSJbdEBj
NOTE : As always, there is a blue tint to the scenes that was in the original scans, color correction will be applied on a shot by shot basis later on.
Team Negative1
The LPP and tech IB both have different characterestics. Also, the condition of the film is an important factor. Most Techs have a lot of damage.
Team Negative1
Yes, its disingenious to say that there is no point to 4k. Otherwise, we wouldn't be scanning them at that rate.
We think there is no future or purpose for an consumer commercial release in that format, especially on optical media.
We have a High Bitrate 175k sample video we will post shortly to check out.
Team Negative1
For those that missed it, the 8mm Grindhouse version has a 2 and half minute preview of the LPP
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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-on-Super8/post/759651/#TopicPost759651
Team Negative1
Seriously, you guys need to read the descriptions.
For : Star Wars Super 8mm Grindhouse
Screenshots
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- No color correction
We look forward to seeing other people color corrections of it.
Team Negative1
We have higher bitrate samples, this is just to see how many people can see it at its native resolution first.
Post your machine and monitor specs also, if you know them.
Team Negative1
Actually, the print is not like either of those samples. Those are merely different settings used on the scans. They will be corrected later on. These are merely for resolution and detail purposes as you can imagine.
We've never claimed these are final, as people are assuming.
Team Negative1
I think all of you do realize we are only releasing the original version.
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For : Star Wars Super 8mm Grindhouse
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Format : 1080p MP4 high profile
VIDEO : 1920x1080p .h264 video
AUDIO : AAC 160k 48k Stereo English
Corrections : Added in missing scene after 2nd reel, with 35mm LPP scan.
Removed duplicate footage from 3rd reel.
- Cropped
- Letterboxed
- Original dirt and scratches
- No color correction
- NOT compatible with GOUT sound
- Includes a basic Stereo soundtrack
Also included is the header for Reel 1,and partial tail for Reel 4.
Compatibility :
At this point, there is no GOUT compatibility and the audio is English only.
Future work to be done:
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Crop 10-15 pixels from left of Reel 1
Crop 20 pixels from left side of Reel 4
Color Correction
Add Subtitles
Make 35mm replacement scene in Reel 2 match grain,and resolution of 8mm.
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Check out Myspleen right now.
Feel free to do your own color correction, and cleanup. That is only a temporary sample with a blue tint. Some don't like the overcast yellow of the original.
We've done some experiments matching it with the LPP, and other prints.
Team Negative1
Some preliminary shots from the work in progress version, with a first pass at cleanup, and color correction:
TOP - original release (our Grindhouse version)
BOTTOM - new cleaned and corrected version
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Video comparison:
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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k56TZnN4Df3pt9bclv1
Team Negative1
We are doing some more test scans, here's a few more frames to look at:
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http://i.imgur.com/LhG2VXP.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/eQane25.jpg
With more natural colors to them.
Team Negative1
Someone screened their faded ESB 35mm German print, this is what the Deconstructed version would look like:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxxBg0LqGpM
Team Negative1
Good points, but you may want to edit your wall of text, so that people can read it.
Team Negative1
The audio mentioned before : AUDIO : AAC 192k 48k Stereo English is the 35mm version.
Team Negative1
Here are some shots of the Sarlacc pit:
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Team Negative1
Even if the hypothetical BD 4k players support new codecs in hardware, they won't support newer ones, or if the specs change.
Cnet's take on it:
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The "blu" elephant in the room is whether anyone will actually care. Though BD disc sales are still a big source of revenue for the studios, their popularity is rapidly declining. Netflix and Amazon are both offering 4K streaming, Sony offers downloads, and that's certainly just the beginning.
The fact is, 4KBD will look significantly better than any streaming feed. The compression issues we've seen with HD are just as possible with UHD (though how it's compressed is different).
Sadly, most people won't care. Worse, most people won't know there's a difference. 4K is 4K to most people (and if you're reading this, I'm not counting you in the "most" group). That's a battle not likely to be won by an archaic physical media, no matter how shiny it's marketed as being. Think that's pessimistic? How many of your friends still watch DVDs?
http://www.cnet.com/news/ultra-hd-4k-blu-ray-what-we-know/
Team Negative1
This is not necessarily conclusive. But if you want a preview of a 4k clip,
go here for a lower resolution downsample:
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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k78sCL2G8HWzlYbcfkM
And download the 10 sec/20 Mpbs clip here:
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Report back with your results (framerates, etc), here, if you have a 4k monitor or TV to watch it on.
This is not the full high bitrate version.
You can watch the clip on lower resolution monitors, but of course with everything scaled down, you won't notice much of a difference.
We've tested it on 1080p monitors, and it ran without glitches on an I5 without a graphics card. Also viewed on an ultrawide monitor (Slightly scaled down, with an Nvidia quadro, had no problems), full screen was fine.
Video - 23.976 fps
Team Negative1
The person in charge of the screening had to have it private, with almost no advance notice to the hundreds of people that showed up.
Other members, are anticipating screenings in their local cities, by renting out theaters, and inviting friends.
The Team members are invited to all of them, but due to family, and other restrictions, so far its been very random who actually went.
Once we're done, we anticipate people that get the copies will have their own screenings.
Team Negative1
We are realists.
Team Negative1
By the time some restorations are done, we will all most likely be using the .h256 HEVC codec for encoding.
There aren't any hardware decoders for this yet.
Your best bet is to use a computer, or media player, and that way you will always be current.
Team Negative1
Sure, if you want to see the smaller DVD version, that would be fine.
Thanks.
Team Negative1