swagmasta69

DominicCobb said:

swagmasta69 said:

DominicCobb said:

swagmasta69 said:

DominicCobb said:

swagmasta69 said:

The mix in Jedi Steps was closer to the ROTS mix.

https://youtu.be/cUBUlKgsNK8?t=1m59s

That’s not the music we’re talking about.
https://youtu.be/1bHtsDobdOk?t=51

I know. My point is saying that it is “ripped straight out of ROTS” is just inaccurate

no

Yes, I will admit that that 15 second snippet sounds very similar (not exact) to the ROTS arrangement, but to say it was ripped straight out of ROTS when the music before and after is drastically different just doesn’t seem right.

, though even if it was I don’t see the point. Especially strange coming from the guy who said that it doesn’t matter if a film reuses old music.

I said it’s fine as long as it fits the emotion in the scene. It did, but when the force theme kept popping up throughout the movie and was still more memorable than the rest of the score, including Jedi Steps up to that point, then there is a problem.

In fairness, you could say that about any Star Wars movie (besides the original). The Force theme is the most memorable theme in cinematic history.

But TFA didn’t have an Imperial March or Duel of The Fates or Across The Stars to balance it out, which made it seem like the Force Theme was overused.

DominicCobb said:

Sorry, honest mistake. They’re from 420chan.

I see your point though. 420chan is probably worse lol. I just needed somewhere to post pictures because the new forum layout here is confusing.

DominicCobb said:

swagmasta69 said:

mapet318 said:

1. The Empire Strikes Back
2. A New Hope
3. The Force Awakens
4. Return of the Jedi
5. Revenge of the Sith
6. The Phantom Menace
7. Attack of the Clones

1 and 2 don’t need an explanation, it’s pretty much a consensus. I’ve seen TFA twice now and I enjoyed it much more the second time. I rewatched RotJ and while I still love it, I have to admit that I think TFA is a better movie. Despite the similarities to ANH that have been discussed over and over again, I think it breathes new life into the franchise and has been the most engaging movie since Empire*.

All of the prequels are turds, but RotS is the most polished turd.

Deja vu.

Go back to 4chan.

This is funny because all your images are links from 4chan.

No, they’re not. They are from A chan, but not 4 chan.

DominicCobb said:

swagmasta69 said:

DominicCobb said:

swagmasta69 said:

The mix in Jedi Steps was closer to the ROTS mix.

https://youtu.be/cUBUlKgsNK8?t=1m59s

That’s not the music we’re talking about.
https://youtu.be/1bHtsDobdOk?t=51

I know. My point is saying that it is “ripped straight out of ROTS” is just inaccurate

no

, though even if it was I don’t see the point. Especially strange coming from the guy who said that it doesn’t matter if a film reuses old music.

I said it’s fine as long as it fits the emotion in the scene. It did, but when the force theme kept popping up throughout the movie and was still more memorable than the rest of the score, including Jedi Steps up to that point, then there is a problem.

DominicCobb said:

swagmasta69 said:

DominicCobb said:

swagmasta69 said:

DominicCobb said:

swagmasta69 said:

joefavs said:

I honestly can’t recall any themes from ROTS besides “Battle of the Heroes”, which I thought was a lot weaker than “Across the Stars”, “Duel of the Fates”, and even “Trade Federation March”. TFA has at least five themes that have been stuck in my head for more than a month now (“Rey’s Theme”, “March of the Resistance”, “The Jedi Steps”, and Kylo’s two motifs). I really can’t understand why so many people are rating this score so poorly.

Because other than Rey’s theme, they are poorly used in the movie. March of the Resistance could have been used to pump people up, instead its placement in the movie and in the mix just seemed like an afterthought.

And Jedi Steps isn’t that good (to me).

When the X-Wings arrive at Takodana and the Resistance march plays, that’s some major pump-up-age. Sorry there wasn’t a super epic choir and 3 minute all CGI video game tracking shot to go along with it.

And Jedi Steps is objectively beautiful. You’d sing its praises if it was in a George Lucas film.

Why are you talking down to me? There is nothing OBJECTIVELY wrong with CGI.

Never said there was. Just wrong ways to use it. And I’m not talking down to you, just trying to figure out what a PT fan thinks would pump people up

Good filmmaking? Good movie moments? What kind of question is that?

Also, Jedi Steps is SUBJECTIVELY not beautiful. I would not have liked it in a George Lucas film because it’s like a half written piece. it’s extremely simple and never goes anywhere but into a rendition of the force theme with quiet strings that is ripped straight out of this shot/scene in ROTS-

(The segue into the force theme with quiet strings I mean. Obviously Jedi Steps is not in ROTS.)

I’m sorry, I think you meant THIS scene from SW.

The mix in Jedi Steps was closer to the ROTS mix.

https://youtu.be/cUBUlKgsNK8?t=1m59s

That’s not the music we’re talking about.
https://youtu.be/1bHtsDobdOk?t=51

The quiet strings start at the same time in relation to the horns in ROTS and TFA.
ANH has a slightly different arrangement.

TV’s Frink said:

or Wookiees doing Tarzan yells,

The other two we can agree to disagree on, but a worse version of the ROTS wookie rope swing shot was in ROTJ, so poo poo on you.

Also, if you claim to hate the prequels, you shouldn’t be citing them as a reason why TFA is better, unless you’re giving TFA a backhanded complement.

DominicCobb said:

swagmasta69 said:

DominicCobb said:

swagmasta69 said:

joefavs said:

I honestly can’t recall any themes from ROTS besides “Battle of the Heroes”, which I thought was a lot weaker than “Across the Stars”, “Duel of the Fates”, and even “Trade Federation March”. TFA has at least five themes that have been stuck in my head for more than a month now (“Rey’s Theme”, “March of the Resistance”, “The Jedi Steps”, and Kylo’s two motifs). I really can’t understand why so many people are rating this score so poorly.

Because other than Rey’s theme, they are poorly used in the movie. March of the Resistance could have been used to pump people up, instead its placement in the movie and in the mix just seemed like an afterthought.

And Jedi Steps isn’t that good (to me).

When the X-Wings arrive at Takodana and the Resistance march plays, that’s some major pump-up-age. Sorry there wasn’t a super epic choir and 3 minute all CGI video game tracking shot to go along with it.

And Jedi Steps is objectively beautiful. You’d sing its praises if it was in a George Lucas film.

Why are you talking down to me? There is nothing OBJECTIVELY wrong with CGI.

Never said there was. Just wrong ways to use it. And I’m not talking down to you, just trying to figure out what a PT fan thinks would pump people up

Good filmmaking? Good movie moments? What kind of question is that?

Also, Jedi Steps is SUBJECTIVELY not beautiful. I would not have liked it in a George Lucas film because it’s like a half written piece. it’s extremely simple and never goes anywhere but into a rendition of the force theme with quiet strings that is ripped straight out of this shot/scene in ROTS-

(The segue into the force theme with quiet strings I mean. Obviously Jedi Steps is not in ROTS.)

I’m sorry, I think you meant THIS scene from SW.

The mix in Jedi Steps was closer to the ROTS mix.

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Lord Haseo said:

swagmasta69 said:

Lord Haseo said:

swagmasta69 said:

ROTS is much more emotionally authentic than TFA.

The shot with all the markings on the wall that show how long Rey has been on Jakku hit me harder than anything in ROTS. That should say quite a bit.

I honestly don’t believe you.

I just remembered something else that tug at my heart strings way more than anything else in ROTS…On the 10th I saw TFA for the 4th time and when Han touched Ben’s face after getting stabbed I nearly started weeping. The first 3 viewings of the scene left me relatively unaffected but for some reason I got a concentrated dose of feels I hadn’t gotten in a Star Wars film since the Vader death scene.

I believe you, I just think that’s kind of odd. I found TFA to be so… emotionally distant. I didn’t feel ANYTHING except when Luke showed his face, but JJ ruined that too when the actors held their poses for way too long and with the disgustingly out place helicopter shot that ended the movie.

TV’s Frink said:

swagmasta69 said:

TV’s Frink said:

swagmasta69 said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

1. • Tie * SW/ANH & TESB (I just cant decide!)
2. TFA. Has a more consistent tone than ROTJ so I give it a slight edge.
   4.ROTJ
3. The last crap I took
4. Those Lego Star Wars TV movies
5. ROTS
6. TPM
7. AOTC

What a beautiful post. Please continue to post in this thread.

I would be shocked if there is another person on this forum who thinks ROTS is the second best SW film, so you mocking anyone here is quite rich.

I too would be shocked if people actually had good taste.

Said the guy with a username a fourteen-year-old would pick.

something something post post ironic critique of the modern youth

DominicCobb said:
(Grievous is of course one of the lamest villains in the galaxy).

Why do people think having a fearsome visage on a coward isn’t the point? Lucas wasn’t going for cool with Grievous, he was going for an imposing look juxtaposed with a pathetic personality.

TV’s Frink said:

swagmasta69 said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

1. • Tie * SW/ANH & TESB (I just cant decide!)
2. TFA. Has a more consistent tone than ROTJ so I give it a slight edge.
   4.ROTJ
3. The last crap I took
4. Those Lego Star Wars TV movies
5. ROTS
6. TPM
7. AOTC

What a beautiful post. Please continue to post in this thread.

I would be shocked if there is another person on this forum who thinks ROTS is the second best SW film, so you mocking anyone here is quite rich.

I too would be shocked if people actually had good taste.

DominicCobb said:

swagmasta69 said:

joefavs said:

I honestly can’t recall any themes from ROTS besides “Battle of the Heroes”, which I thought was a lot weaker than “Across the Stars”, “Duel of the Fates”, and even “Trade Federation March”. TFA has at least five themes that have been stuck in my head for more than a month now (“Rey’s Theme”, “March of the Resistance”, “The Jedi Steps”, and Kylo’s two motifs). I really can’t understand why so many people are rating this score so poorly.

Because other than Rey’s theme, they are poorly used in the movie. March of the Resistance could have been used to pump people up, instead its placement in the movie and in the mix just seemed like an afterthought.

And Jedi Steps isn’t that good (to me).

When the X-Wings arrive at Takodana and the Resistance march plays, that’s some major pump-up-age. Sorry there wasn’t a super epic choir and 3 minute all CGI video game tracking shot to go along with it.

And Jedi Steps is objectively beautiful. You’d sing its praises if it was in a George Lucas film.

Why are you talking down to me? There is nothing OBJECTIVELY wrong with CGI.

Also, Jedi Steps is SUBJECTIVELY not beautiful. I would not have liked it in a George Lucas film because it’s like a half written piece. it’s extremely simple and never goes anywhere but into a rendition of the force theme with quiet strings that is ripped straight out of this shot/scene in ROTS-

(The segue into the force theme with quiet strings I mean. Obviously Jedi Steps is not in ROTS.)

joefavs said:

Lord Haseo said:

This 1:38 - 2:10 has been stuck in my head too

When I heard this I knew the spirit of Star Wars had made it’s resurgence.

See, that part sounded a little too ROTS-y for me. I really don’t like that DUNDUNDUNDUNNAH-DUNDUN! horn thing that happens there and is all over the Sith score. Soundtrack opinions seem to be way more diverse than I ever imagined.

I agree that it sounds rather prequel-y.

joefavs said:

I honestly can’t recall any themes from ROTS besides “Battle of the Heroes”, which I thought was a lot weaker than “Across the Stars”, “Duel of the Fates”, and even “Trade Federation March”. TFA has at least five themes that have been stuck in my head for more than a month now (“Rey’s Theme”, “March of the Resistance”, “The Jedi Steps”, and Kylo’s two motifs). I really can’t understand why so many people are rating this score so poorly.

Because other than Rey’s theme, they are poorly used in the movie. March of the Resistance could have been used to pump people up, instead its placement in the movie and in the mix just seemed like an afterthought.

And Jedi Steps isn’t that good (to me).

suspiciouscoffee said:

1. • Tie * SW/ANH & TESB (I just cant decide!)
2. TFA. Has a more consistent tone than ROTJ so I give it a slight edge.
   4.ROTJ
3. The last crap I took
4. Those Lego Star Wars TV movies
5. ROTS
6. TPM
7. AOTC

What a beautiful post. Please continue to post in this thread.

Lord Haseo said:

mapet318 said:

In terms of original score, RotS rates as “meh”. TFA was definitely weak.

Battle of The Heroes, Grievous Speaks To Lord Sidious, The Immolation Scene, Anakin’s Dream and Anakin’s Dark Deeds vehemently disagrees.

Don’t forget A New Hope and End Credits.

mapet318 said:

It’s strange that you think that TFA was telling audiences how to feel, when that’s a major, almost universal complaint of the PT. That George Lucas had no idea how to show the audience things and let them use their brains, and had to beat them over the head with incredibly unsubtle dialogue.

Lucas is a visual poet, he has never claimed to be a good writer. Having Padme’s death segue into this

just hit me so hard. options are opinions, and this is mine.

Lord Haseo said:
The only reason being is that is the only medium in which that romance makes any sort of sense.

I’m saying that I don’t agree with that sentiment.

joefavs said:

The editing in the ROTS score is 40% copying and pasting of note-for-note excerpts from previous scores. I have no idea what people mean when they say it was the best of the prequels in that regard.

Music placement is everything. I don’t care if a piece was originally written for AOTC (march on the temple) if it evokes the right emotion for the scene it ultimately ends up in.

Lord Haseo said:

swagmasta69 said:

joefavs said:

But the Anakin/Padmé relationship itself isn’t earned. There’s no reason why Padmé should fall in love with Anakin (and several very good ones why she shouldn’t). George just keeps telling us that they’re in love throughout Clones, and by the time we get to the heavy stuff in Sith we’re just more willing to roll with it because it’s obvious that this is what we’re getting one way or another.

I actually think that the AOTC romance is the most authentic and unguarded romance in cinema

Fanedited versions of AOTC don’t count.

???
You keep bringing up fanedits. I’m talking about the theatrical (not BD) films.

Lord Haseo said:

If anything the music should stick with you.

Speaking of music, that was one of TFA’s biggest issues. The music never evoked any emotion save for the scene when Rey is sliding down the sand dune. there were a few ok tracks, but JJ choked the soundtrack. it was poorly edited into the movie. the movie is just too hyper for a JW score.

On the other hand, ROTS had possibly the best of the 7 SW scores.

joefavs said:

But the Anakin/Padmé relationship itself isn’t earned. There’s no reason why Padmé should fall in love with Anakin (and several very good ones why she shouldn’t). George just keeps telling us that they’re in love throughout Clones, and by the time we get to the heavy stuff in Sith we’re just more willing to roll with it because it’s obvious that this is what we’re getting one way or another.

I actually think that the AOTC romance is the most authentic and unguarded romance in cinema, so take my opinions with a pound of salt.

Lord Haseo said:

swagmasta69 said:

Lord Haseo said:

swagmasta69 said:

ROTS is much more emotionally authentic than TFA.

The shot with all the markings on the wall that show how long Rey has been on Jakku hit me harder than anything in ROTS. That should say quite a bit.

I honestly don’t believe you.

I mean…I can get kind of emotional when I watch LOE v1…but then again I actually care about Anakin a bit when I watch PT fanedits.

I saw TFA a couple weeks ago and i’ve already forgotten this “markings on the wall” scene you’re talking about.

The ROTS jappor snippet shot has stayed with me since I first saw it in theaters.

Lord Haseo said:

swagmasta69 said:

ROTS is much more emotionally authentic than TFA.

The shot with all the markings on the wall that show how long Rey has been on Jakku hit me harder than anything in ROTS. That should say quite a bit.

I honestly don’t believe you.