swagmasta69

adywan said:

swagmasta69 said:

I would argue that TFA and the Holiday Special are the same kind of monster.
Both made without the creator’s involvement and made solely for profit.
There is nothing even close to a creative vision for either entity.

So you would need to lump the prequels into the same “made solely for profit” category. Those films were only made for the money. He had no intention of ever making those films. Lucasfilm needed a money maker. the only parts of Lucasfilm making any sort of money was its subsidiary companies ( ILM, Skywalker sound etc). Lucasfilm needed a hit. The only things of any value on its books were Star Wars and Indy. They had had too many flops. The SE’s were done to test the waters. Did the public still want Star wars? If those had failed, then pre production on TPM would have likely stopped.

But its pretty obvious now that TFA could have been a masterpiece and you would still have bashed it just because it didn’t have George’s stamp all over it. Well thank god it didn’t. The prequels were nothing more than an advertisement for what ILM could do at that point and to generate much needed profits for a failing Lucasfilm. You only have to watch the behind the scenes doc on the TPM DVD that he wanted full CG sequences, not because it would be good for the story, but for nothing more than because he thought other people would want to use ILM, and this new type of FX work, for their own movies.

I don’t want to argue with you, being a huge contributor of content that I watch and enjoy, but the prequels were in no way made solely for profit. This demonization of extensive CGI use is just grasping at straws. It’s not lazy, George doesn’t personally do any effects work, practical or digital, and CG animation is not easier than practical effects to create. The worst you could say Is that George jumped the gun on CG tech when it wasn’t quite there yet.
George had the broadstrokes of the PT laid out by the end of making the OT. (Lava planet, ROTJ Vader seeming much more like Anakin Skywalker from the prequels in dialogue and characterization, etc.)

Wexter said:

swagmasta69 said:

I would argue that TFA and the Holiday Special are the same kind of monster.
Both made without the creator’s involvement and made solely for profit.
There is nothing even close to a creative vision for either entity.

You realize the creator went completely crazy after 1980, right?

Are you sure it wasn’t you who went completely crazy after 1980?
Because ROTJ has the best scenes in the saga.

Indiana Jones reference?

I would argue that TFA and the Holiday Special are the same kind of monster.
Both made without the creator’s involvement and made solely for profit.
There is nothing even close to a creative vision for either entity.

Caravan Of Courage?

Good, lets drop it. No hard feelings.

Stop going in circles.

Lord Haseo said:

swagmasta69 said:

Lord Haseo said:
I don’t know why you’re getting so emotional.

You have a really bad attitude. Please stop replying to me. Most of the posters here seem very mature, but you… oh boy.

Not wanting to talk about a redundant topic isn’t an indication of maturity, it meant I don’t want to talk about that topic. There’s nothing more to it. Also you getting so butthurt at such a insignificant thing is however an indication of maturity.

But you keep talking! If you don’t want to talk about the topic, then don’t. Holy cow.

Lord Haseo said:
I don’t know why you’re getting so emotional.

You have a really bad attitude. Please stop replying to me. Most of the posters here seem very mature, but you… oh boy.

TV’s Frink said:

Duel of the Fates playing over a long shot of Anakin talking to a Jawa is one of the lower points of the entire PT.

It was a montage/road trip style scene and that shot of him talking to a jawa was a big wide shot that fit the music well.
Anakin was on a quest to save his mother. I think the music’s usage was perfectly fine.

DominicCobb said:
Even if it seemed like it to you, the Force theme was certainly not overused in TFA. In fact, if I had to guess, of all the films in the saga TFA might be the one with the least amount of Force theme statements.

I know it wasn’t. I was saying that it seemed like it because of the lack of a comparable theme.
One huge fumble was at the end fight when Rey closed her eyes and the force theme started. It should have been a triumphant statement of Rey’s theme.

Lord Haseo said:

swagmasta69 said:
You know, having opinions that most people on this site do not share does not make me a troll.

If those are your opinions good for you for being so unique. The world needs more people like you. You are doing God’s work.

I stand by everything i’ve said.

Good for you Flynn.

Why are you such a wise ass? Ir’s rubbing off on me. Please tone it down.

edit

I will endeavor to quote less excessively in the future.

Lord Haseo said:

swagmasta69 said:

Lord Haseo said:

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

1. ROTJ
2. ESB
3. SW
4. ROTS
5. AOTC
6. TPM

Many will disagree about ranking AOTC over TPM. But AOTC actually contained some stuff that were the reasons I wanted to see the prequels, like a big ass Jedi/Clone battle. Where as even though TPM is a much better made movie overall (Still sh*t though) it has Jar Jar (and to a lesser extent little Annie) in it for most of the running time. He’s the most irritating character in the history of mainstream movies and it’s difficult to “enjoy” anything else about that movie as a result. If a highly skilled faneditor/FX-artist ever digitally erased Jar Jar from every single pixel of TPM, then sure I’d probablly rank it as the “least worst” prequel. But so far (To my knowledge) they haven’t yet, so it’ll stay bottom for me.

At least AOTC has Kenobi in it for more than 5 minutes and he does things that significantly effect the plot. At least the villain has more than 4 lines (With Christopher Lee’s voice) and does things that significantly effect the plot. The final LS duel actually has some emotion behind it, despite also being almost totally cr*p. At least they got rid of the botched puppet Yoda. Sadly with a CGI Yoda but you can tell the FX-artists really tried.

What do you seek to accomplish with this?

If he simply didn’t watch TFA yet, you were being dumb.

If he didn’t watch TFA he should have stated it you ass.

Bosk said:

Esb
Anh
ROTJ

All the rest don’t exist…

If it was an honest opinion, you were being an intolerant jerk.

Your feeble attempt at trying to elicit an emotional response was ineffectual.

now THIS is trolling

swagmasta69 said:

1. Star Wars
2. Revenge of The Sith
3. The Empire Strikes Back
4. Attack of The Clones/The Phantom Menace/Return of The Jedi(with Victory Celebration)
5. Return of The Jedi sans Victory Celebration
6. The Special Edition OT
7. The Force Awakens

swagmasta69 said:
ROTS is much more emotionally authentic than TFA.

swagmasta69 said:
I actually think that the AOTC romance is the most authentic and unguarded romance in cinema,

Says the troll…

You know, having opinions that most people on this site do not share does not make me a troll.
I stand by everything i’ve said.

TV’s Frink said:

Mr. 69 appears to be either a kid or a TF.n troll, I can’t tell which. Maybe both?

What part of ‘post post ironic critique of modern youngsters’ do you not understand?

I’m not a troll, I just don’t post on any other forums.
I used to frequent 4chan, but it’s become overrun by low quality posters (yes, yes, pot calling the kettle black).

Lord Haseo said:

swagmasta69 said:

Lord Haseo said:

swagmasta69 said:

Wazzles said:

swagmasta69 said:

Wazzles said:
I haven’t seen AOTC in a long time, however, so it might be better than I’m giving it credit for, but I doubt it.

it is

These aren’t convincing me.

That sounds like a you problem.

The others were good examples but the CGI in this shot is shite m8

no it’s really not

use your eyes

You probably just dislike CGI in general.

The floor and ceiling don’t feel tangible. Looks like 2005 PS2 graphics

ok bud

Lord Haseo said:

swagmasta69 said:

Wazzles said:

swagmasta69 said:

Wazzles said:
I haven’t seen AOTC in a long time, however, so it might be better than I’m giving it credit for, but I doubt it.

it is

These aren’t convincing me.

That sounds like a you problem.

The others were good examples but the CGI in this shot is shite m8

no it’s really not

use your eyes

You probably just dislike CGI in general.

Lord Haseo said:

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

1. ROTJ
2. ESB
3. SW
4. ROTS
5. AOTC
6. TPM

Many will disagree about ranking AOTC over TPM. But AOTC actually contained some stuff that were the reasons I wanted to see the prequels, like a big ass Jedi/Clone battle. Where as even though TPM is a much better made movie overall (Still sh*t though) it has Jar Jar (and to a lesser extent little Annie) in it for most of the running time. He’s the most irritating character in the history of mainstream movies and it’s difficult to “enjoy” anything else about that movie as a result. If a highly skilled faneditor/FX-artist ever digitally erased Jar Jar from every single pixel of TPM, then sure I’d probablly rank it as the “least worst” prequel. But so far (To my knowledge) they haven’t yet, so it’ll stay bottom for me.

At least AOTC has Kenobi in it for more than 5 minutes and he does things that significantly effect the plot. At least the villain has more than 4 lines (With Christopher Lee’s voice) and does things that significantly effect the plot. The final LS duel actually has some emotion behind it, despite also being almost totally cr*p. At least they got rid of the botched puppet Yoda. Sadly with a CGI Yoda but you can tell the FX-artists really tried.

What do you seek to accomplish with this?

If he simply didn’t watch TFA yet, you were being dumb.

If he didn’t watch TFA he should have stated it you ass.

Bosk said:

Esb
Anh
ROTJ

All the rest don’t exist…

If it was an honest opinion, you were being an intolerant jerk.

Your feeble attempt at trying to elicit an emotional response was ineffectual.

now THIS is trolling

Wazzles said:

swagmasta69 said:

Wazzles said:
I haven’t seen AOTC in a long time, however, so it might be better than I’m giving it credit for, but I doubt it.

it is

These aren’t convincing me.

That sounds like a you problem.

Wazzles said:
I haven’t seen AOTC in a long time, however, so it might be better than I’m giving it credit for, but I doubt it.

it is

Lord Haseo said:

swagmasta69 said:

Lord Haseo said:

swagmasta69 said:

Lord Haseo said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

1. ROTJ
2. ESB
3. SW
4. ROTS
5. AOTC
6. TPM

Many will disagree about ranking AOTC over TPM. But AOTC actually contained some stuff that were the reasons I wanted to see the prequels, like a big ass Jedi/Clone battle. Where as even though TPM is a much better made movie overall (Still sh*t though) it has Jar Jar (and to a lesser extent little Annie) in it for most of the running time. He’s the most irritating character in the history of mainstream movies and it’s difficult to “enjoy” anything else about that movie as a result. If a highly skilled faneditor/FX-artist ever digitally erased Jar Jar from every single pixel of TPM, then sure I’d probablly rank it as the “least worst” prequel. But so far (To my knowledge) they haven’t yet, so it’ll stay bottom for me.

At least AOTC has Kenobi in it for more than 5 minutes and he does things that significantly effect the plot. At least the villain has more than 4 lines (With Christopher Lee’s voice) and does things that significantly effect the plot. The final LS duel actually has some emotion behind it, despite also being almost totally cr*p. At least they got rid of the botched puppet Yoda. Sadly with a CGI Yoda but you can tell the FX-artists really tried.

What do you seek to accomplish with this?

opinions you don’t agree with aren’t bait

You think

I don’t think that. I’m saying that Ryan is probably not trolling.

Well I’m saying he is. You going to cry about it or something?

yes

Lord Haseo said:

swagmasta69 said:

Lord Haseo said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

1. ROTJ
2. ESB
3. SW
4. ROTS
5. AOTC
6. TPM

Many will disagree about ranking AOTC over TPM. But AOTC actually contained some stuff that were the reasons I wanted to see the prequels, like a big ass Jedi/Clone battle. Where as even though TPM is a much better made movie overall (Still sh*t though) it has Jar Jar (and to a lesser extent little Annie) in it for most of the running time. He’s the most irritating character in the history of mainstream movies and it’s difficult to “enjoy” anything else about that movie as a result. If a highly skilled faneditor/FX-artist ever digitally erased Jar Jar from every single pixel of TPM, then sure I’d probablly rank it as the “least worst” prequel. But so far (To my knowledge) they haven’t yet, so it’ll stay bottom for me.

At least AOTC has Kenobi in it for more than 5 minutes and he does things that significantly effect the plot. At least the villain has more than 4 lines (With Christopher Lee’s voice) and does things that significantly effect the plot. The final LS duel actually has some emotion behind it, despite also being almost totally cr*p. At least they got rid of the botched puppet Yoda. Sadly with a CGI Yoda but you can tell the FX-artists really tried.

What do you seek to accomplish with this?

opinions you don’t agree with aren’t bait

You think

I don’t think that. I’m saying that Ryan is probably not trolling.

Lord Haseo said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

1. ROTJ
2. ESB
3. SW
4. ROTS
5. AOTC
6. TPM

Many will disagree about ranking AOTC over TPM. But AOTC actually contained some stuff that were the reasons I wanted to see the prequels, like a big ass Jedi/Clone battle. Where as even though TPM is a much better made movie overall (Still sh*t though) it has Jar Jar (and to a lesser extent little Annie) in it for most of the running time. He’s the most irritating character in the history of mainstream movies and it’s difficult to “enjoy” anything else about that movie as a result. If a highly skilled faneditor/FX-artist ever digitally erased Jar Jar from every single pixel of TPM, then sure I’d probablly rank it as the “least worst” prequel. But so far (To my knowledge) they haven’t yet, so it’ll stay bottom for me.

At least AOTC has Kenobi in it for more than 5 minutes and he does things that significantly effect the plot. At least the villain has more than 4 lines (With Christopher Lee’s voice) and does things that significantly effect the plot. The final LS duel actually has some emotion behind it, despite also being almost totally cr*p. At least they got rid of the botched puppet Yoda. Sadly with a CGI Yoda but you can tell the FX-artists really tried.

What do you seek to accomplish with this?

opinions you don’t agree with aren’t bait

Lord Haseo said:
But that wouldn’t mean anything to someone like you.

shots fired