Papai, thanks for your support!
nickdiba, thank you too for the support, and for seeding my project files...
As it seems there is some interest, I think I'll do JP2 next... what do you all think?
I investigated a bit these days, and it seems that effectively there are three versions:
Theatrical cut (available on BD, 2.35:1)
Extended Edition (available on LD, 1.90:1)
Special Edition (available on DVD, 1:85:1)
(any correction are welcome!)
So, at least, there are no Extended or Special Edition available on Blu Ray... yet!
Yes, I agree that the best option is the thetrical cut, but the EE has its right to be preserved, don't you think?
Jetrell, you are right, according to this review - so, it seems that EP6 as seen on laserdisc is not present on BD and/or DVD...
Video Collector said:
Andrea.
Just finished downloading this today (took over a week as there was only one seeder).
Hope now someone else will seed it for some time, so the download time will be lowered (I hope).
I have taken a look at different scenes and had a listen to the DTS track and I must say I am mightily impressed. This is very watchable, and a worthy preservation of what Laserdisc has to offer.
Thank you very much, is rewarding to know someone else (apart me) likes one of my projects!
I look forward to your other Laserdisc projects.
What about JP2 and JP1 "making of" + JP2 "behind the scenes"? I just discovered that JP2 PAL has the same "making of" of the NTSC LD... but has subtitles and not an italian soundtrack... oh well, I'll copy them by hand, and use them for the soft subs of the project!
...and what about Star Trek EP1 to EP8?
The Aluminum Falcon said:
Be interesting seeing a preservation of Muse LDs. Anyone on the forum have a player? The Jurassic Park one would probably look like this except with a higher level of detail. It be interesting seeing HD transfers circa the late 90s, with substantially different color timing and contrast sensibilities. Terminator 2, Back to the Future, etc.
I have the Pioneer HLD-X9 and Panasonic LX-HD20 MUSE laserdisc players... If only someone would borrow me a MUSE decoder along with some MUSE discs, I would invest some money for a HD capture card!
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Until today Jurassic Park [ruLes] - BD was snatched ten times... please seed it as long as you can, and don't forget to post your feedbacks here!
dvdmike said:
They are old masters but miles better than the blurays and are the theatrical cuts
"They" are referred to HDTV or laserdisc versions?
It would be cool (to me, at least) to do a restoration project of EP1-8 with PAL laserdiscs as source (and EP9 from NTSC LD as no PAL LD was available) - EP1,2,7,8 have italian soundtrack, too...
By the way, EP6 on the PAL UK laserdisc boxset is the extended version, and include a prologue by Leonard Nimoy... IIRC the latter was not available on BD, right?
What about a project based onto PAL laserdiscs?
Thanks for your help; it will be interesting to do comparisons, and discover where the problem is!
I considered the MUSE JP, but:
If someone with a MUSE laserdisc player, a MUSE decoder, a MUSE Jurassic Park laserdisc and an high definition capture card would like to do this, he/she's welcome! (^^o)
Leonardo said:
You can't fix that. You can't "un-mix" stuff from a soundtrack. Unfortunately all those tracks are stuck like that, I'm sad to say.
I'm not sure about that... the italian soundtrack is (should be) Dolby Surround encoded, thus have the left, right, central and surround channels encoded into a stereo track; decoding those channels, is it possible to take only the central one and including it in the corrispondig place of, e.g., the english AC3 5.1 soundtrack; the quality will not be the same, as the best Dolby Surround ProLogic decoder has around 40db of separation, but should be sufficient to result into a better surround italian soundtrack than the original; the same could be done for the other languages... mmmhhh, you inspired me a bit...
Windows Media Player and VLC. On the former I can turn them on, but I can't select the track, and the first one doesn't work. On the latter I can see all the sub tracks, but as I said only the second one works.
As I'm against Windows Media Player, I couldn't tell anything about it, but in VLC it works well.. just play the file; under "Audio/Traccia Audio" you should see "Disabilita|Traccia 1 [italian]|Traccia 2 [english]"; under "Video/Traccia Sottotitoli" you should see "Apri file|Disabilita|Traccia 1 [italian]|Traccia 2 [italian]|Traccia 3 [english]|Traccia 4 [english]" - the first is italian forced, the second italian full, third english forced, fourth english full...
If it doesn't work, download Media Player Classic - it's light, and works very well!
Leonardo said:
Well, I've sampled though some scenes for now, and I have to say: "Impressive. Most impressive." I didn't know laserdisc could look this good!
It's the same thing I think: in this totally High Definition and Digital world of nowadays, there is a (little) place for analog things like laserdisc... obviously it must be "helped" a bit to shine, but results are really satisfactory, at least to me... and you, it seems! Thanks!
Of course, this is not a jab at you, my dear Andrea, this is just what you had to work with.
I know, Leonardo, don't worry! But I'd like to add a note: it's not only the italian soundtrack that is that bad... we are in good company, as the french, german and spanish laserdisc soundtracks have similar problems!
If only someone could (and would) fix all those soundtracks... at the end, I could think to release an OUT 3.0! (^^,)
About the subtitles, maybe I did something wrong, but the only one that seemed to work was the second one, the dubbing transcript.
Don't know... I've just played the file with Media Player Classic, and all the four subtitles (english and italian, forced and full) work well, along with the two soundtracks... what software are you using to play the file?
About edge halos: they are present on ALL the laserdisc captures of JP I've done, both copies of PAL IT, in PAL UK and in NTSC DTS... I thought about a Pioneer laserdisc player fault, so I capture some footage using a Philips player... they are still there!
I picked up the SW captures (I have done A LOT of them), and magnifing 8x random frames, it seems there are not edge halos...
Again, in JP those halos could be seen only on the right side of dark objects over bright background (like trees over the sky), and are quite visible in only few scenes (obviously, if seen frame-by-frame, and magnified, they are more visible...)
At the end, the causes could be:
To be sure #3 is wrong, someone else should capture some scene - the best should be the first encounter of Alan and Ellie with the brachiosaurus; the edge halos could be seen easily on the trees on the right... if there are NOT edge halos, it should NOT be the master or the laserdisc format itself, but only my capture card... but why with JP and not SW?
Jetrell Fo said:
Well then, all I have is 2 different U.S. Bluray releases, 1 theatrical, 1 extended.
...all I have is the PAL italian laserdisc (three copies, just to make median), NTSC US theatrical edition (two copies, just to be sure one is laser-rot free), and NTSC US extended edtion (one copy only... nobody is perfect...) (**,)
Jetrell Fo said:
I have DTS cinema Audio for Stargate ................. ;)
Interesting! But it seems that the italian edition is the extended version, and not the theatrical one... (xx/)
I have a simple, old SigmaTel audio card with the CXD9872RD chipset, and, although it's not the best sound card around - at the contrary, it's quite mediocre! - it does its job...
Try to do a test: capture audio from a DTS laserdisc, let's say a minute, then play the file with your DTS sound system: if it plays correctly, your audio card is able to capture DTS sound stream.
borisanddoris said:
I have both Schindler's List and Stargate on DTS LaserDisc., along with many others. If anyone can teach me how to rip them, I'd love to help.
First, you must have an audio capture card with digital input, and that must be bit-to-bit perfect.
I use VirtualDub to capture DTS laserdiscs, video and audio - audio set at 44.1KHz, uncompressed PCM.
Your help is highly appreciated!
After I finished my latest project, I must admit I had some fun to do it! So, I thought to do some other restorations based on the following facts:
This is because I LOVE DTS laserdisc soundtracks, and I’d like to do preservations including an italian soundtrack (my native language), but there must be some reasons to do it… if the DVD or BD version has no problems, it’s futile to do a restoration, don’t you think?
The first two points are quite easy, as there are only around 140 DTS titles on laserdisc, and only few of them have the italian laserdisc counterpart - here you are the list (ported directly from another thread of mine):
001) … 12 Monkeys (1995) 43208
003) … Apollo 13 (1995) 43119
006) … Babe (1995) 43209
013) … Casino (1995) 43117 -> The BD is DTS 5.1 but likely a new mix.
014) … Casper (1995) 43120
018) … Dante’s Peak (1997) 43364
020) … Daylight (1996) 43271
025) … Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story (1993) ID4426MC
026) … Dragonheart (1996) 43207
044) … Hard Target (1993) 43276
050) … In the Name of the Father (1993) ID4484MC
052) … Jackal, The (1997) ID4424MC
<span style=“text-decoration: line-through;”>055) …</span> <span style=“text-decoration: line-through;”>****Jurassic Park (1993) 43115</span>
059) … Liar Liar (1997) 43365
062) … Lost World, The: Jurassic Park (1997) 43366
073) … Nutty Professor, The (1996) 43272
079) … River Wild, The (1994) 43275
084) … Schindler’s List (1993) 43277
094) … Stargate: Deluxe Edition (1994) LD 60231-DTS
096) … Street Fighter (1994) 43368
097) … Sudden Death (1995) 43210
101) … Titanic (1997) LV334812-WSDTS
109) … Waterworld (1995) 43118
TITLES IN BOLD - movies I own, both on DTS and italian laserdisc, so they could be used for a restoration project
<span style=“text-decoration: line-through;”>STRIKEDTHROUGH</span> - projects made
I’ve done Jurassic Park because there was some interest in it, as the laserdisc has less cropped picture, and colors are different from the 3D BD… and the next project will be Lost World: Jurassic Park - because I’d like to do “sagas” (^^,)
I started this thread to know if there are some of the previous titles that deserve a preservation project - for example, if the DVD or BD edition is more cropped than laserdisc, color timing is different, there are cut scenes, or there is an “improved” version (you know what I mean…) - if the DVD or BD is missing a DTS soundtrack but otherwise has no problems is not a sufficient reason to do a restoration project! (or not?)
Thanks in advance to all!
Some screenshots (click to view full image):
Edge halos are present in the original captures, and they are not due to the median avisynth script... if I'll find a non-Pioneer laserdisc player, I'll capture the laserdiscs again to see if is a player or disc problem...
JP [ruLes 1.0] - BD edition - is ready! You could find it on myspleen.
Video bitrate is 16.5Mbps, hope it will be satisfactory for all; the actual BD 1.0 takes about 21GB, as I've left intentionally enough space to include in a future the spanish and the german laserdisc soundtracks (I really, really hope someone will send me the spanish and the german laserdisc soundtrack, to release a complete euro-package of JP!)
I decided to include only the DTS (english) and PCM (english, italian, french) soundtracks, and leave out the AC3 converted files - these ones will be included into the AVCHD, if someone is still interested in it, of course!
Many thanks to ilovewaterslides for the french laserdisc soundtrack!
I've done the literal italian subtitles myself, a really hard task... it took two days, but I'm happy to have done it, because reading the "normal" subtitles don't do justice to the really good italian translation!
Waiting for your feedback, as usual!
Papai2013 said:
You could combine the width and height from the different sources and create short clips for those scenes, after you've finished the project. Just as extras. So we could see what the full picture looks like!
It's an idea... maybe when I (if I) will release the "Making of Jurassic Park [ruLes]"... but first I'd like to release "The lost world: Jurassic Park [ruLes]"!
You've lowered the bitrate, but that's going to cost the picture quality won't it?
Is the picture quality deteriorated slightly?
'Cause already laserdisc has low resolution, will reducing the bitrate help.
Consider that 8Mbps is enough for very high quality, if you have 1280x720 video... I think to leave out PCM-to-AC3 soundtracks, and retain only the DTS english and the three PCM soundtracks (english, italian, french). In this case, the bitrate will be around 16/17Mbps, more than enough for very high quality video!
Why don't you keep the track separate, within the package, so that the individual user can mux them. This way video quality won't have to be compromised?
Because not everyone is capable to correctly mux audio/video tracks...
darth_ender said:
I tried watching after I burned it, but I've got what I believe is a first generation BD player, and apparently it doesn't play AVCHDs. So I can't give an assessment yet.
You could always watch the movie using your PC; check the file 00001.m2ts inside the AVCHD folder, and play it with any compatible video player (media player classic, VLC, KMplayer are the ones I use and they all work with this file).
I'm sure it's discouraging to not get feedback...
Yes, it is indeed, but then it's rewarding when feedbacks are coming... (^^,)
Papai2013 said:
Ok did you compare the UK pal LD with the Italian Pal LD, which one has more picture, which one is cropped, or are they the same?
Italian version is clearer and so I decided to use this (those) for the main part of the JP [ruLes]; cropping is the same for the whole movie, except for the scenes where there are subtitles, when one version has more picture on the left but less on the right and vice versa... I could always try to combine those scene to obtain some more vertical lines of resolution, but I don't think it will change a lot the project, as those scenes account for a total of less than two minutes...
I'm waiting to receive the french laserdisc soundtrack from ilovewaterslides, and meanwhile I'm reconverting video with a lower bitrate to accomodate the french soundtrack into a BD-25.
But before this, the video was ready, so I muxed it with the italian audio, all at 23.976fps, and I watched it... it's really good, better than what I've imagined, with no "plastification" due to the denoise filter... the only bad thing is that some edge halos (present on the original captures) are found on few scenes... I've tried to cancel the halos, but it's impossible without corrupting the whole image, so I decided to leave the video "as is", as the notable halos are visibles on really few scenes.
Avatar_Emil said:
I just finished watching it and all I can say is: I was blown away.
Thank you very much! I'm happy to hear someone who likes my project... it seems I must continue with my project, after all... (^^,)
Happy to know that someone is interested in this project... as nobody has posted any comment, I don't know if I 've done a decent job, or at the contrary a bad job...
Hope someone (who actually has downloaded and watched it) will post some feedback about this project, or about the OUT [ruLes] project, so I could know if I must continue with them, and release EP V and EP VI, or definitely stop here...
Video for BD version is ready (20mbps); audio tracks are ready; only subtitles should be prepared (sync, and italian correction must be done).
Hope to do everything this night, or at least tomorrow.
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Jetrell Fo said:
I have this set .....
Jurassic Park (1993) [41830] CAV
Thank for the offer, Jetrell, but I have this set too, along with the "normal" CLV version... I will not use them, until someone think that its soundtrack is better or different than the UK PAL, or of my experimental conversion (from DTS to AC3 5.1 640kbps)...
If everything will go allright, it will be released next week!