smpearce1981

^ thanks, man 😃

Ok, I think THIS is my suggestion for a crawl?

The Rise of Skywalker

‘The Resistance rises! Luke Skywalker’s sacrifice at the battle of Crait has reignited the spark of hope across the galaxy and hundreds more freedom fighters have joined in the fight against the tyranical FIRST ORDER and their new Supreme Leader, KYLO REN.

REY, the last of the Jedi lineage, continues her training under the guidance of GENERAL LEIA ORGANA, and attempts to communicate with the great Jedi from the past, hoping that their wisdom will help her during the confrontation to come.

Meanwhile, KYLO REN leads an assault on MUSTAFAR, in search of an artefact that will guide him to the source of a mysterious presence that offers a dark alliance, one that will help him crush his enemies once and for all…’

Took another stab at it to lower the word count and get it more concise?

‘The Resistance rises! Luke Skywalker’s sacrifice at the battle of Crait has reignited the spark of hope across the galaxy and hundreds more freedom fighters have joined in the fight against the tyranical First Order.

Rey, the last great hope for a Jedi resurgence, continues her training under the guidance of Leia Organa, but strives to commune with Jedi from the past who’s wisdom may help her in the final fight against the First Order.

Meanwhile, Supreme Leader KYLO REN tirelessly searches the galaxy for an ancient artefact that could lead him to a mysterious new presence that promises to help him destroy his enemies once and for all…’

Or:

Sensing the increasing threat, Supreme Leader KYLO REN leads a mission to MUSTAFAR in search of an ancient artefact that can guide him to a phantom presence in the force that promises to help him crush his enemies once and for all…’

Or:

Meanwhile, Supreme Leader KYLO REN leads an assault on MUSTAFAR in search of an artefact that will guide him to the source of sinister presence that offers a dark alliance, one that will help him crush his enemies once and for all…’

I promise I’m not 😃

I’d normally agree, but that approach would have been better served if the Trilogy had been mapped out from the outset, where such things might have had the opportunity to be placed more organically across not only TLJ but also TFA.

I personally think that retroactively placing the burden solely on TLJ to accomodate the diverted narrative demonstrated by the story of TROS and then dumping all that new set up, hard and fast into TLJ where it never existed previously risks it all just coming off as a mess of ideas?

…almost like TROS itself(?)

I think Poppa carefully curating what scenes can accommodate these hints and then just gently massaging them in is definitely a wiser, more effective approach?

As per Starkiller’s opinion:- I think the magic of what Poppa is attempting with these additions is that if you look at it from the perspective of watching TLJ as a first time viewer there are hints and easter eggs that we would have come out of the movie and then questioned, debated, freeze framed, rewatched etc in order to develop theories for the story ahead?

The beauty and fun of it is that when Palpatine’s Return is revealed for TROS, these hints were always there if you were looking/paying attention but it wasn’t ever overtly spelt out.

As fans that’s the stuff we live for…because we like to feel we are cleverer or perhaps just simply care more about these details than general audiences do?

Im with Starkiller on this and definitely support Poppa’s more nuanced approach to hinting at palpatine’s presence.

TLJ has it’s own complete narrative and just isn’t Palpatine’s movie.

Going too hard and throwing in Sith swirls and what not would just be too much. I feel it would

1. be hugely distracting from that moment in movie, where Rey and Kylo join forces and the possibility of Kylo’s redemption

2. undo all of Poppa’s efforts to balance the right amount of subtlety in the rest of the additions?

I don’t mean to be disrespectful of other’s ideas, but I can’t see how such a aggressive approach would be effective?

To anyone interested.

I’ve also taken a preliminary shot at an opening crawl:-

‘The Rise of Skywalker

The resistence rises! Luke Skywalkers sacrifice at the battle of Crait has reignited a spark of hope across the galaxy and more freedom fighters have joined the fight against the tyranical First Order.

Rey, the last great hope for a resurgent Jedi order, continues her training under the guidance of General Leia Organa but strives to commune with Jedi from the past who’s wisdom may help her in the final confrontation against the First Order.

Meanwhile, Supreme Leader KYLO REN moves to mercilessly crush any threat to his rule and uses his unlimited resources to dispatch agents across the galaxy in search of an ancient artifact that could lead him to a mysterious force that may help him solidify his power once and for all…’

It’s only a first pass and might still be a bit wordy…but I think it sets up the playing field a little more clearly than the original?

^ I LOVE 'See ya ‘round kid’ and I’d be really sorry to lose it if for no other reason than it gives Luke a bit more of a badass personality (within this movie considering he’s sulking for 90 percent of it)…but I certainly don’t disagree with your point:- that it seemed like it was foreshadowing some sort of payoff to come…that never came (sigh)

I’d personally vote to still keep it in (?) so as not to rob Luke of having that moment and because I guess he needs to ‘sign off’ their encounter somehow and have the last word? but I can totally see your angle here.

How about keep it simple and have a call back to ANH?:-

‘We don’t serve their kind here’

…except this time it’s can’t be interpreted as anything other than overt racism and xenophobia

High society whites and aliens…totally ok!

But a black guy and an asian girl?! Nope!

Space ‘ICE’ are standing by to toss them into a holding cell…with a pre-held HISPANIC dude!

Jeez! This stuff writes itself 😕

The line is totally SW but the subtext then totally changes and becomes quite culturally relevant?

I’m not actually being serious, but it’s interesting how this line change in this moment (to something so familiar within SW lore) would make this scene super politically charged!?

Love this!!

I’d say it’s ready?

You’ve honed in and refind this besutifully!

in my view having ‘at last’ being anything more than what’s already hidden in there would be too much?

From a story perspective (at this point in the story) ‘at last’ what??

Since we get ‘at last’ said within a more meaningful context literally 4mins into TROS i’d say it’s doubly unneeded here?

Not to speak for anyone else here, but when talking about ending on ‘Broom boy’ I wasn’t referring to having the entirety of TLJ be the end of the saga, I simply meant close out the saga on the ‘Broom Boy’ sequence/shot.

The logic being that our central characters have ended their stories…but that doesn’t mean there can’t be more, and so to end the saga with the promise that others can/will take up the mantle and have infinite, as-yet undetermined adventures of their own is quite a nice way to close out the story.

(I’m not talking about Broom boy specifically…Broom Boy is just the metaphor or allegory for the idea)

TLJ is definitely a ‘middle’ movie, there’s no way you could close out the entire narrative where it left off, it’s too open ended, but when discussing the possibility of a fan made ‘hybrid’ which combines whatever elements can be worked from across TLJ and TROS into one narrative, there is certainly scope to close out that project by incorporating Broom boy.

…Or maybe there isn’t? but that’s going to be the fun of exploring what can and can’t be made out of it? 😃

I wish I had the skills…well certainly the technical refinement required to get stuck into it myself!

I can chop and drop basic edits all the live-long day, but what some of big boys here can achieve is a whole different level of skill that I just don’t have the time, patience or equipment to hone. I wish I did but I just don’t.

The only thing I can really contribute to this community is ideas and concepts…hopefully that have some form of narrative sense or that serve characters, however when working within the limitations of only having the source material to work with, there just aren’t infinite possibilities to fabricate the necessary connective tissue required to realise these concepts…and you can only explore that once you get into the edit, so since I lack the skills, I’ll bow to the knowledge of those that do.

I had a thought.

I’m sure there are a good few of us who don’t REALLY need something like this,

But would the below be of any use to help potential editors start structuring an imaginary cut?

I’ve kept it short because I don’t want to go to the effort of a ‘shot to shot’ commentary for the whole movie if I’m going to break any rules??

I’ll post it up for now, and if I have to take it down, I’m here standing by to delete it if need be:

so 1) If I’m breaking rules, I’ll delete it

2. If the idea isn’t really helpful without visual reference, I’ll get rid just the same and let the experts do their thing once TROS gets it’s home release.

Anyhow:-

TROS

Scene 1:

Crawl….

*Camera pans down 3 x Tie Fighters fly toward a FO Star Destroyer and Mustafar.

*Cut to – Ground level Kylo cutting down natives (only storm troopers – no knights of Wren)

Fight ends – (no dialogue)

*Hard cut to shot of stone case containing wayfinder.

Kylo takes it and inspects.

*Scene fades to space, Kylo’s TIE approaching Red Nebula.

3rd person sequence of Kylo piloting through the Nebula

Close up of Kylo piloting > Close Up of Wayfinder plugged into TIE systems

*External shot of space – Nebula in distance. Kylo’s TIE seemingly drops out of hyperspace. Camera pans to follow TIE as it enters Exogol atmosphere.

*Cut to – Establishing shot of Geometric structure – Kylo’s TIE approaches in shot.

*Cut to – Ground level pan up, Kylo now on foot, walks toward amera and ignites crossguard saber.

Reverse shot – Kylo enters structure

*Cut to – Middle distance, Kylo stand upon circular stone lift and it decends, revealing huge Sith statues.

Mid shot of Kylo reacting to:-

(FIRST DIALOGUE!! 4mins in ) = Palpatine’s exposition.

I think they only way it could work (for me at least) would be if it was more of a 3-in-2 edit a la edits of The Hobbit. I’ve accepted TROS for what it is and there’s too much in it at this point that I would miss if nearly all of it was cut.

The Hobbit 3 into 2 was exactly where I was at when I let my mind wander into the prospect of merging TLJ and TROS into one.

Of course ‘The Hobbit’ for all of it’s flaws (of which there were many!) at least benefitted from being shot back to back and having a singular vision and so at least ‘fan’ editors don’t have to contend with cutting around footage filmed and constructed potentially years apart by different directors, cinematographers, editors, costume designers etc etc etc

Hence the challenge now faced by editors who might be starting to think about the viability of this project (or similar projects of their own)

The lack of vision for this trilogy exhibited by Lucasfilm is now painfully apparent and I have no doubts some of the guys and girls here will work their magic and make some wonderful things out of it…but it’s definitely going to be a tough challenge to extract all the right pieces and reassemble them back cohesively

Hal 9000 said:

I’m almost afraid to type this, but…

I like the idea of just slipping into a contributor role for a TROS project with you at the helm. Partly because life is much more demanding than it was when I did TLJ:L, and partly because TROS is oil to faneditors’ water.

I reject this ridiculous idea in it’s entirety!

We can’t have one of our top 1% of editors just sitting on the sidelines, like Luke sulking himself silly on Ach-To

If that’s the case, I’m R2…and this message is the equivalent of me hologramming you an old recording of your sister from way back when she was so hot that you’d have happily turned a blind eye and iced her cinnamon swirls, regardless of your shared genes.

Cheap move?

Maybe!! …but you need get back in the fight!

This is our most desperate hour!!

Well, actually we’re alright for now…we can wait until March…but come March, it WILL be our most desperate hour.

Regardless, broom boy is the ending to the trilogy for me.

Broom boy at the end of the Trilogy is a great idea! One might even say it’s beautifully poetic?!

The central narrative from 1-9 has ended, but here we get a natural hand off to a new generation, a potential galaxy of unknown’s, not personally involved or affected by our established lineage of heroes, but none the less inspired to rise up and branch off on adventures anon.

I know that is exactly the intent of it being the ‘Iris out’ in TLJ, but as an end to a trilogy/saga:-IT’S BLOODY PERFECT!!!

(Applause)

First idea (not accounting for any adjustments that might have to be made within the bulk of TLJ)

Disclaimer: There are going to be LOTS of errors and holes here. I’m working blind due to not being intimately familiar with the content of each scene in TROS. Some of these may not work once scene specific dialogue is considered.

1. As per Poppasketti’s current work on having Palpatine’s ‘Find me’ come through the radio on Crait,

Resistence escapes.

TLJ doesn’t end here. We follow Kylo for a bit here.

First order of business? Reforge his mask.

(logic:- Kylo after being embarrassed by Luke on Crait, finds it easier to deal with the scheming minions from behind the mask’

Leads to:-

His ‘War council scene’:- somehow replace him heading out on his mission to find Rey to him actually heading out to Mustafar in search of the wayfinder.

Cue his slaughter scene and recovery of the wayfinder (He doesn’t need his mask to cut up random aliens alongside stormtrooper grunts, plus he’s trying showcasing his badassery to rebuild his credibility and demonstrate that he’s a hands on murderer kind of guy 😃 )

Cut to:-

A Rey and/or Resistance scene.

Probably Rey meditating/ doing her trials course?

(issues here:- making it clear there’s been a significant time jump…repaired saber etc)

To be continued as I spitball further ideas

Hi all,

I love Hal’s thinking here as I’ve spent the last few days wondering how hard it would be to make one big ‘epic’ MOVIE from TLJ and TROS…at least from a narrative perspective (I’m not initially considering the look and feel of the 2 movies might juxtapose each other considering that RJ and JJ have completely different stylistic approaches to the look, pace and overall cut of their respective movies)

What fuelled this idea, is what I consider to be the problem with TROS.

I’ve said it elsewhere on this forum, but I believe TROS’s biggest issue is not what is in the movie, but what ISN’T…

I assume there’s a 3 hour(ish) cut that existed once before it was edited down to what we ended up getting (whether it was a deliberate move to increase the pace of the movie, or certain plot points just didn’t work at a script level and so the only way to save the movie was cut it all away?..whatever, I digress)

Anyhow, I was upsetting myself at the possibility that Disney will never release any substantial/juicy deleted scenes and how the talented fan editors may never have enough ‘meat’ to make the movie better/more complete.

That left me thinking that the only way TROS may be salvageable is in MORE cutting. Cutting out all the dead-end plot threads and the leaps and holes in logic and plot, which even if that were done successfully, would leave us all with a rather short movie!

So, that potentially being the case, I wondered if on a thematic level it might be possible to combine TLJ and TROS into one mega-movie so that the relentless pace of TROS is offset by the slower burn of TLJ.

Plot elements that have been (or are in the process of being) incorporated into Fan edits of TLJ would serve as some the most effective connective tissue between the two movies, helping them join as one.

It might be that the two projects simply CAN’T be joined cohesively, and if that’s the case then that’s just an unfortunate outcome of not having the right pieces to work with from what Lucasfilm gave us…but if some fairly aggressive cutting/re-working of both movies could enable us to salvage a more satisfying hybrid then that might help us get over some the disappointment we have felt since TROS released.

Initial thoughts:-

As much as I feel it would be less jarring to potentially inter-weave different scenes between the two movies, I can’t see how any MAJOR scenes could be reworked chronologically due to differences in costume, hair etc, so all the main plot lines would pretty much have to run in a linear fashion.

The unfortunate outcome of this, is that at some point you are pretty much forced to consider a ‘1 year later’ splash screen approach, to account for the obvious time jump. This is decidedly ‘un-Star Wars’ but unless it’s better to just ignore it and let the audience do the math, it’s going to be a matter of deciding whether we break from stylistic tradition and look at the project as it’s own entity and accept such compromises.

Anyhow, this is me just jumping on Hal’s bandwagon, and really it’s just an unprocessed idea for a project, rather than something I’ve really thought through in any detail (ie what elements across both movies stay, go, get reworked etc in order to accommodate them being joined cohesively…if they even can be)

I’d love to hear others opinions, especially those with the talent and eye for editing who might be able to be determine whether this is a non-starter , or whether there might be a narrative pathway to making it work?

Poppa, I do like the newer subtler subtle version…I really think you are honing in on nailing this (I wold say that you have already)

Poppa…if the eyes are staying I deffo think the ‘eyes turn on head lift’ is the one.

It’s there if you want it/are paying attention…but you’ve got to work for it.

Great work!!! 😃

Definitely the subtle…but if my opinion counts for anything the more I watch it the less the whole idea of the eyes works.

I think the colouring is wrong (too orange??)

I agree with some other observations that the concept was great but now that it’s being tested it’s not working (for me)…ultimately it’s too distracting and theres enough going on in that scene as it is

#my2cents

P.S

I’m basing my above opinion solely on the strong and subtle versions

I’d like to see the ‘The eyes turn when lifting head’ version but the link appears to be dead, so I’ll reserve final comment until I’ve seen that

I just rewatched this again!

Poppa tell me if I’m seeing this correct.

When Snoke’s torso falls…that’s not blue smoke!?? It’s a ghostly silhouette of cloaked Palpatine perfectly scaled to where Snoke was sat?

(Which would perfectly allude to him possessing the body)

Thinking maybe the digital insert is sourced from footage of him in hologram form sat at the table of the trade federation ship from TPM?

Am I right?? Or am I seeing things?

Regardless, Whatever is going on here…I LOVE IT

Ok, so I’m not buying the first shot of the eyes…the change of colour within the shot…in such a close up it’s too on the nose and even somewhat distracting.

The second shot (the mid-shot) where eyes are already yellow is much more subtle and personally i like how if you don’t telegraph the change of colour in the first shot (the closeup)it’s almost ‘blink and you’ll miss it’ and thats where the gold is. Hinting/foreshadowing rather than spelling it all out??

However, I love the blue aura departing the body!!

So, now that you have made these ideas into a real tangible thing, can I dare to throw in some thoughts on whether the sith eyes are even necessary? (from a story perspective)

If we are approaching this as Snoke being Palpatines puppet…perhaps even a surrogate body to inhabit…i like to think that even though Snoke looks shocked at being run through…it’s just an act.

Palpatine is the puppet master ala ‘ Everything that has transpired has done so according to my design’

He knew EXACTLY what was coming and so any shock/suprise/pain he showed was only for show and therefore I don’t think he’d lose sight of himself or his physical control of Snoke to allow his eyes to show through?

I can totally see the logic of seeing the palpatine essence evacuate Snokes corpse…but the eyes? Im not so sure they are even necessary

However, as per my observations above…the yellow eyes in the mid shot are a lot better and i feel the subtlety here is a much more stylish way of showing that there is definitely something ‘Sithy’ about Snoke 😃

4E felt VERY organic and just worked, I wasn’t sure you needed it but once i saw it play out there was nothing that distracted me or pulled me out of the scene.

It’s very clean, very understated. I like it a lot!

In my opinion it’s now between that and 4D V2 which was my previous fav

I might be leaning toward 4E though?

4D = NAILED IT!!

Beautifully done Poppasketti!