smpearce1981

Chase Adams said:

Hal 9000 said:

Hmmm…

Crawl

Pan down to establishing shot of TIEs flying over Mustafar

Cut to interior of Star Destroyer, as Vader’s helmet emerges and Kylo places his hand on it. Maybe Vader says something vaguely relevant or just the vision that was there originally. Kylo begins to walk off.

Color corrected TFA teaser shot of Kylo walking in the woods, crouching and lighting his saber.

A couple establishing shots of Mustafar, ideally with three TIEs somewhere in there

Main scene as Kylo slaughters people

The wayfinder says “Find me”

I LOVE the idea of using the Vader helmet shot before he meets Palpy, since it makes absolutely no sense why he would connect with it after learning that IT’S NOT VADER! 😄

I do think that DominicCobb’s two vision scenes and all his other work he’s done is quite excellent, so maybe you should find more ways to incorperate some of his scenes into this, since you haven’t really given as much detail on how you are reworking all the Rey Palpatine scenes yet! 😋

I’m honestly not taking anything away from the change/edit, I agree with Chase that’s it’s actually more effective to be used in this manner

…BUT

(And this isn’t strictly pertinent) I always interpreted Kylo attempting to commune with Vader’s mask after Palpatine’s reveal as Kylo looking to ‘truth check’ Palpatine’s claim that he was acting as the voice of Vader.

I always assumed that the implication here was that Vader’s helmet has now fallen silent to him, which substantiates Palpatine’s claim that it was him all along and now that the truth has been revealed he’s dropped the charade/disdirection?

Vader’s mask is no longer a vessel but simply an inanimate object.

As I say that was always MY interpretation.

IF that is/was the intention/meaning/subtext I would still certainly agree that there’s not ANYTHING that explicitly states that to be the case…so repurposing it more effectively elsewhere is still a great idea!

I’m only saying that I never questioned it’s placement before due to how I personally interpreted the meaning of it.

(Which I always quite liked since it was probably one of the few moments of genuine nuance in the movie…If they had followed through on that thread and pursued the effect it had on Kylo now that he realises his connection to his grandfather’s spirit is revealed to be nothing more than a lie in order to manipulate him to the will of a Palpatine

…but like the allusion to Finn’s force sensitivity and Jannah being Lando’s daughter I wonder if it’s inclusion is nothing but a tiny remnant of storylines that were cut?)

Anyhow, carry on everybody 😃

I love everything about A. Everything!

The motion, the flight path and the overall timing.

But I do prefer the model of B due to it appearing more OT-sequel so it has an inherent familiarity with it’s slightly ‘ropey’ composition.

Considering that B is Snooker’s with Poppa’s touch ups it may be impossible to get the perfect blend/hybrid of the two, so if I had to call it now:- It’s A all the way on account of it being the strongest overall

https://youtu.be/j4f7bHP8z78

From 01:00

or

02.23

Hi Poppa!!

You do it again…and again…and AGAIN!!

So, overall and as it stands Option A

But here’s a curve ball…I’d be interested to see option C which had the look and detail of A but with the motion/flight path of B?

If they are the same, B still looks distinctly different somehow as it cruises and adjusts it’s trajectory in the lead up to the jump

I can’t quite put my finger on it but it’s almost as if ‘less is more’?

RogueLeader said:

Regarding the Skywalker Saber, we talked about adding some kind of effect to it to make it feel slightly different, though we never really pinned down an effect that just clicked with anyone.

Coming in REALLY late to this idea…but this is a great idea!

how about a Blue unstable effect?

It’s consistent with the damage it sustained from TLJ and could be used to nicely reflect Rey’s unstable emotional state for the first half of the movie whilst also foreshadowing that Ben will eventually wield it later?

The weapon then serves as a metaphor to demonstrate how their paths are connected and destined to converge as it is reflective/a blend of them both?

Hal 9000 said:

This is NOT intended to represent a reservation I have about using the Falcon ending shot. This is such a nerdy thing to say that it would have rightfully been shouted down by people if this had been in the movie.

But…

The Falcon leaping right into hyperspace within a few seconds of taking off makes Han’s efforts to escape from Mos Eisley in ANH seem overly cautionary. (Doesn’t seem like entering hyperspace from within an atmosphere or planet’s gravity would normally be a good idea.)

BUT, it’s a perfect visual ending for the story. Just felt obliged to throw a neckbeard comment in for devil’s advocacy.

C’mon Hal

This is Star Wars - it’s space fantasy, not cold hard science fiction ala Blade Runner or even Star Trek

It’s ok for romanticism to override logic and even low level continuity. That’s why Star Wars has never bogged itself down in explaining it’s science and technology so that it’s not burdened by it.

Plus we’ve seen an in atmosphere jump in Rogue One, when the U Wing escaped Jeddah.

The drama there wasn’t the risk of aerodynamic forces but not having plotted a course in the navicomputer.

Similar to Han trying to evade the Star Destroyers after an emergency take off.

In both situations, there was no pre-planning or luxury of time to pre-load any coordinates, as escape was the priority and everyone’s actions were under duress.

It’s not unfair to imagine that in this instance, Rey has comfortably and leisurely already plotted her return journey so can just hit the jump as and when she fancies?

poppasketti said:

Slight update to the end shot. I made the falcon darker, less thin, toned down the blue, and a couple of other small adjustments. Still have to things I want to tweak, though!

https://vimeo.com/414985184
pw: fanedit

Poppa!

This is amazing!!!

I love it!!!

Octorox said:

That’s why I think it would work well to have just Ben’s ghost, since Ben is the one who initially pushed her to confront the fact that she’s a nobody.

As for titles:
Duel of the Fates
Throne of Darkness
Secrets of the Sith
Secrets of the Empire
The Phantom Fleet
Rise of the Scavenger

‘Rise of the Scavenger’ is an absolute winner!!!

This should cover all the bases:-

‘The Menacing Empire gets Revenge on The Jedi by Rising The Sith who Awaken to Strike Back in Force against The Skywalker who Returned in a Last Hope of Attacking The Phantom with New Clones’

Nailed it!

Lock it into the edit, Hal…we’re done here.

😬

Chase Adams said:

My favourite is “Balance of the Force”

Here’s an idea!

Instead of “Heir to the Empire”
How about “Heir to the Emperor”

‘Heir of the Emperor’ or bust 😃

stevepaynter said:

I’m leaning towards Balance of the Force (BotF) because of the dyad between Rey and Kylo.

What about Rise of the Jedi? Kinda makes sense with jonh force Ghosts appearing to help Rey take down Palpatine. But could be too close Return of the Jedi and both using the same acronym (RotJ) may not work.

Both VERY good!

The Spoils of the Empire

I’ve always tried to lean away from hokey titles and breakdown the words used:-

Very loosely speaking (and very crudely described) it’s always ‘something does something’ or ‘makes something happen’

The something (The Empire) does something (Strikes Back)

The something (The Sith) does something (gets Revenge)

The something (The Jedi) does something (Returns)

Again, very poorly described and not 100% foolproof (A New Hope) but hopefully it paints a general picture of why I would try and avoid inanimate things from doing positive action.

Poor use of correct English termology is hampering my ability to sell my point here 😃

smpearce1981 said:

The Return of the Emperor

The Return of the Phantom

The Emperor’s Throne

The Final Order

The Rise of Palpatine

Legacy of the Emperor

Legacy of the Empire

The Phantom Legacy
(sounds like a Bourne movie 😂)

(Deleted)

The Return of the Emperor

The Return of the Phantom

The Emperor’s Throne

The Final Order

The Rise of Palpatine

Legacy of the Emperor

Legacy of the Empire

poppasketti said:

Here’s an update to the ending bits I’ve been playing with. Maybe these can work individually or be inspiration for other ideas.

https://vimeo.com/414395138
pw: fanedit

I further tweaked the “just Rey” line, and added a more pronounced “t”.

I also added an updated version of the new end shot I’ve been messing with, which removes Rey and BB-8, instead having the falcon fly off into the binary sunset.

Finally, I tacked on the YouTube clip posted a few pages back that added Ben and Anakin force ghosts. I cropped out Anakin so you could see what the idea would look like. Not crazy about the head nod, but I think the idea of adding Ben will work.

Poppa does it again!!!

As per my usual of offering ‘constructive criticism’:-

Ben’s head/face needs some work.

I know it’s a result of the source…I think it’s from an old member ‘Forceghostrecon’? work.

I would say it’s worth looking for an alternative Adam Driver headshot to roto is here.

I’ll go hunting and see what I can bring to the table.

The removal of Anakin is a definite step forward.

I think as this edit is looking to reduce some fan service elements. Anakin is surplus to requirements.

This moment is about Rey, and Rey has no relationship to Anakin so his presence here would mean nothing to her on a personal level…and especially since we are also abandoning her taking up the Skywalker name too.

I really like the idea of the Falcon departing Tatooine too.

I wasn’t sure at first. I think the final shot of the movie was so beautiful and poetic that it was a shame to lose it…but if Poppa could polish up the Falcon so that it can be totally seamless/up to his usual quality I think there’s some real merit in the change.

1. it clarifies that Rey wasn’t ever intending on staying on Tatooine

2. Gives a literal ‘riding/flying off into the (twin) sunset’ moment to close out the saga.

I really like it!

As for the ‘just Rey’ change.

Masterful!!!

I echo what another member said…that the biggest problem that removing Rey taking on the Skywalker mantle causes, is that it makes the title of the movie pretty redundant.

Don’t get me wrong the actual execution in the original is pretty piss poor in itself but it does do just about enough to justify the connection.

That’s my only gripe though, as I do like that Rey has finally stopped yearning and accepted that she has made her own way to prominence/importance in the galaxy in spite of her actual family connections/lineage but without feeling the need to rewrite her own history and take on another identity/family name.

It’s a really good arc

Hi everyone!

I saw this, this morning.

I’ve been out the loop for a bit so I’m not sure what the current feeling is on the ‘Rey Skywalker’ moment at the end of the movie.

However this definitely seems to approve the overall ‘awkwardness’ of the exchange, so I thought I’d share it to see if doing something similar was of interest?

https://twitter.com/MovieCooper/status/1255864294614487040?s=20

poppasketti said:

Not a father, but into the dad jokes!

Stu, I like your ideas and glad you started a thread. Excited to see what you put together to share!

Thanks Poppa,

That means an awful lot from you! 😃

It’s going to be sooooo rough. But I’m hoping it can serve as a proof of concept for some, and if not helps me realise a bit more of the potential hidden within it, not because it will be a viable replacement (like yours - in which case Rekindles was sooo much more than a replacement - as it exceeded the original cut by a country mile) but I’d like to just see a ‘what could have been’ cut.

That said, who’s to say if any of my ideas will actually work once we get into it, so I guess we’ll see 😃

Cheers, brother

Stu

oojason said:

Dammit - ‘ghouls’? not ‘goals’?

I was going to insert a dad-joke along the lines of… no wonder stormtroopers have issues hitting the target if they no goals to aim for!

Now it is ruined - RUINED I TELL YOU!!! Well, thank you very much, TROS!
 

Idea!

It’s pretty easy to modify the subs.

If the line stays, the subs to this fan-edit WILL change to ‘goals’

Hence, the dad joke remains relevant.

As a dad myself. I approve and support terrible comedy 😃

idir_hh said:

Even worse, its actually “goals”.

This is genuinely HILARIOUS!!

If this wasn’t Star Wars, I’d almost be prepared to do a complete 180 and keep it 😄!!

Dear all,

Thanks for the encouragement!

I’ll have a go.

I’m just trying to pump out a base file to edit from now.

So ROGUE, my base thoughts on the edit is to eliminate as much of the WTF moments as well as the plot threads that are either under served or outright dead ends.

• Most/all of Finn’s ‘Rey I’ve got something to tell you’ stuff.

I think I might keep his moments of feeling and intuition and let the audience determine that he is becoming force sensitive, but all of his ‘I have something to tell you’ stuff muddies the waters and was never very clear that that was where it was going.

• I’m going to see if I can cut Lando’s first appearance on Pasaana.

I don’t feel it really brings anything to the table that I can’t work around aside from revealing the location of Ochi’s ship.

You could argue it sets up his appearance later after Leia’s death but once again there’s nothing that can’t be interpreted that Poe just knows him from historic interactions that have occurred off screen.

• See how far I can go in removing Ochi as an ‘important’ character, for someone who has such a big role to the plot and Rey’s history he is hugely under served and so I’m going to see what I can do to cut around it.

• Reshuffle the reveal that Chewie is alive.

• I want to do something with Hux, but I don’t know what, there’s so little to work with here that I might have to leave it aside from reordering some of the scenes that he is in.

• My ‘big’ change is the importance of the Sith Dagger.

My intention is to end it’s journey/inclusion once Rey realises it was used to murder her parents and Threepio has translated it.

I’m aiming to completely omit the ‘Indiana Jones’ moment where the notches on the dagger so conveniently line up with the DS2 wreckage on Kef Bir.

I personally feel that the movie really jumps the shark in this moment and so I’m going to try and settle it that Threepio’s translation directs them to Kef Bir and after that it’s just Rey’s skill and intuition that guides her to the wayfinder.

I’m also looking to just reshuffle a few shots here and there across the entire movie. Just some nips and tucks as I’ve noticed some absolute howlers, that if they were just cut away or re-ordered the flow of the scene would be better.

What I’m not aiming to do is cut away any of the fun.

I personally like the ‘Light speed skipping’ and ‘they fly now’ sequences, as controversial as that may be?

They add some much needed excitement, levity and character interaction so I can forgive some of the silliness in these areas.

There is scope for some trims to both sequences, but I wasn’t planning on deleting them entirely.

The stuff I would like to delete though is silly/comedic dialogue that will ‘age’ or ‘date’ the movie. Such as most of the Stormtroopers talking to each other

ie:-

‘Knights of Ren’

‘Cool!’ etc

Anyhow.

I THINK I’ve got a bit of a road map in my head, but until I get in there on a scene by scene basis and really delve in, it’s hard to know exactly what I can trim away before I break it or start leaving unbridgeable holes.

I’m not looking to radically change the movie. I’ve always said that the problem isn’t what is in the movie, but what ISN’T, so I was really holding out hope for deleted scenes.

Since they aren’t going to be forthcoming, I’m very cautious to start taking away more from a movie that is already trying to rush itself to the finish line.

BUT if I can just try and simplify it by cutting around the plot threads that were seemingly abandoned and get rid of some of the leaps in logic, I think it’s possible to at least have a tighter, more focused movie?

However, my primary issue is taking it back to what I said about the sound mixing or VFX coninuity.

It’s all well and good if I can get the narrative in check, but it’s the technical issues I can’t account for, because I’ve got no idea whether I’ll create issues that can’t be fixed on the technical side (musical jumps, sound mix etc) so my ignorance in this regard means I’m sort of working blind as I’ve got no idea what can or can’t be repaired by re-laying in fresh score or sound.

Anyhow, HAL:-

Absolutely, there’s no sense in me laying down the entire movie, and expecting people to watch for the changes, so as you say, I’ll go for clips and at the most extreme end of the scale, scenes.

Thanks once again guys

Hi everyone.

So, since the announcement of the home release and the confirmation that we weren’t going to be getting any deletd scenes, I - like many here have given up hope that a better movie can be cobbled together from it’s omitted pieces and so instead, I’ve settled into a certain amount of ‘acceptance’ and instead I’ve recently been watching TROS more and more, primarily to really familiarise myself with it and scrutinise it to try and get an understanding on what lies within the movie that can be je-shuffled, removed and re-jigged to improve it.

Now, I have very little technical prowess, so I’ll never be able to pull off some of the feats that the likes of Hal and Poppasketti can, but despite lacking the skills to deliver an edit that’s actually watchable, I do have ideas.

As I’ve mentioned above, as I start to get increasingly familiar with the intricacies of the movie I’ve started to notice where some improvements can be made and so I wondered if there was any interest within the community in me putting together a REALLY scrappy workprint.

What I mean by that, is an edit which will have ZERO refinement, simply cuts and reshuffles, completely ignoring wipes, fades, transitions and most importantly sound mixing.

The idea is that hopefully I can give the community some ideas in a ‘show don’t tell’ format, and hopefully give those with the skills some ideas to explore?

I could just as well ‘discuss’ what shots and sequences I was moving and/or removing, but I figured that could get messy or lack overall context, so I thought this was an idea to get real time feed back and hopefully inspire those with the skills to explore the ideas and see if they could work on a technical level?

If there is any interest, I’ll get to work on it.

If there’s not, there’s probably little point, as anything I make will be so scrappy and unwatchable that if noone wanted to take a look at the ideas and maybe use them ‘for real’ in their own edits it would just be a dead end notion.

I know there’s no guarantee’s my ideas will be of interest anyway, but if the community was at least prepared to take a look, I’m happy to at least donate them and then let the chips fall where they may?

idir_hh said:

I thought the score for the fleet’s arrival was a little too triumphant, as if they already won before the battle had even started, I think something like this would have worked better.
https://youtu.be/KYDeNziSwFc

I REALLY like it…I also don’t???

Can’t put my finger on it.

I like the tone shift, it makes it more ‘battle like’ and that the stakes are higher.

I totally agree with what was just said about the original score indicates victory rather than just re-balancing the odds just at the point the battle seemed lost, but something still feels missing?

Something is working here but I can’t articulate what isn’t

…but I definitely think you are on to something!

specialk2121 said:

On an unrelated note, in the novelization, when Lando and the fleet arrive at Exegol there’s a moment where a bunch of different ships call in. “Mon Calamari fleet standing by. Ghost standing by.” Stuff like that. It’s got Inferno Squad, the Aces from resistance, Alphabet Squadron all calling in. Could be a cool way to expand on the final battle to show that the whole galaxy has united together.

Here I go (so genuine apologies in advance)

Considering some of the valid criticisms about the ST being reliant on ‘fan service’ this suggestion really accentuates that?

It’s not that it’s a bad idea, but I don’t see how it adds anything?

If it could be implemented organically, where it’s not drawing attention to itself, it might be ok to just add into the overall layering of the soundscape?

Maybe crackly radio audio in the falcon cockpit shots, but as I recall once Lando arrives the tone of the movie changes to being rousing where the score level goes up, average shot length goes down, so I just don’t know how it could be dropped in without it playing over the top of other things and then being too on the nose?

I’ve got lots of problems with TROS but the arrival of the ‘merchant navy fleet’ isn’t one of them, the movie directly addreses that the people/galaxy have come together so I don’t think that point is lacking enough in it’s execution to warrant hammering it home any further?

Don’t get me wrong I’m not STRONGLY against the idea as it’s not particularly polarising and so it’s insertion wouldn’t make or break anything.

I just wonder whether it’s needed for any other purpose other than serving fans?

Hal 9000 said:

There’s definitely an investment on the front end. 😕

Are you using my lossless audio output?

Hey Hal,

No, just the core DTS…but clearly there might be alternative solutions