skye1083

No problem. :)

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Are you still working on this?

I watched RLM's review of RotS and he made an interesting point about RotJ - the emperor doesn't really have anything to offer to Luke to tempt him to the dark side. At best, all he can do is goad him. Is that something that can be addressed in this edit? I think we just have to accept that Luke is only there to help save Vader, but it's hard to rule anything out in this forum.

With regard to Luke's conversation with Ben, I do love that you changed Luke's tone with "Why didn't you tell me?" and that Ben just jumps right into it - really, what else could Luke be talking about? - but it seems to slow down the pace. Maybe I've seen it too many times, but it was the only part I was tempted to skip past. It's be discussed in other threads that it could be removed altogether and not hurt anything - Luke would just know that the other was Leia. Other than that, it's a lot better having the focus on Luke and the empire.

Yay! :)

As long as they're violent later, I'm ok with their moment of cute.

Re carbonite: Then it's probably just me. I don't know, I watched it four times and each time he hit the ground, half a second, and then the sound.

That sounds good. Version 2 should be interesting.

daneditor said:

In Shuttle Tydirium I was looking to build up the Luke/Vader conflict. In my edit the scene resembles the Luke/Vader ship to ship conversation at the end of TESB. Which is a good thing to be reminded of. As soon as I get my hands on a decent copy of the Luke lightsaber building scene it'll definitely be going in to try to add some more to this conflict - which the original film neglects.

I guess that makes sense, but it's a 'quieter' scene than the one in ESB. Perhaps there's a way to shorten his lines, so it seems like he's talking to himself? "Vader?" Show Piett waiting for Vader's order, then back to Luke, "I'm endangering the mission...". Or something like that to make it just between the two of them.

It's probably not an issue if you haven't seen this movie a million times. ;) Fingers crossed that the lightsaber scene is useable.

I just finished watching your edit. Over all, I'd say it takes the embarrassment out of the movie. It still doesn't live up to the first two, but I can't lump it in with prequels any more either.

Here's what stood out to me:

• The music number is a greatly improved.
• The sound of Han falling out of the carbonite shell to the ground was delayed.
• The subtitles are better. I'm not sure why Jabba likes female humanoids, but I didn’t understand that in the original either.
• In the shuttle Tydirium, Han’s original response to Luke was silly, but it’s odd that no one cares that the Jedi is worried.
• Cutting out the Ewok traps makes it clearer that the Rebels are ok with letting teddy bears fight their battles. They were literally hiding out to the left of the bunker.
  
• Following Luke hugging Leia and Han, there is a noticeable cut to Luke looking at the ghosts.

Good job. :)

itsatrap said:

skye1083 said:

Is there supposed to be a back up Rebel team hiding in the forest? My initial reaction was that C3PO popping up was all that was needed to distract the troopers, which seems silly. Han Solo would have knocked out one trooper and then would have been shot by three others. The second viewing showed a lone Rebel outside the circle. What causes all of the Imperials to scatter and not attack Han and company?

Yeah, I was wondering if people thought that. If that edit doesn't work, the rest probably won't, either. This version depends on the viewer believing that Han and friends could overtake the Stormtroopers without help.

Maybe it needs a composited shot of the Rebels jumping out after 3PO's "We surrender!" line, but I'm at a loss on how to do that.

And aside from a few nice comments here, there doesn't seem to be much interest in this project, and my enthusiasm for it is waning as well.  I'll leave this as a fun thought experiment -- maybe it'll spark ideas for other editors out there in the future.

 

Aren't there some scenes of Rebels sneaking through the woods you could use? There's no reason to think that Han has his whole team with him. But I don't think there are any shots of nameless Rebels shooting really. :-/

Maybe you'll think of something later?

Is there supposed to be a back up Rebel team hiding in the forest? My initial reaction was that C3PO popping up was all that was needed to distract the troopers, which seems silly. Han Solo would have knocked out one trooper and then would have been shot by three others. The second viewing showed a lone Rebel outside the circle. What causes all of the Imperials to scatter and not attack Han and company?

It adds some nice tension to that scene. I don't know why GL thought leering and creepy was the way to go.

Shame you can't doing anything about her ridiculous outfits.

Well thank you. ;)

I see your point. It's harder to go from coward to love interest. I just hate to see another idealized female. Perhaps she should be impulsive - definitely a trait Luke and Leia share. Her brother wants to wait for a solution and she has other ideas? ...

She asked for Obi-Wan to come to Alderaan against her brother's wishes, he refuses to be seen aiding a Jedi, and she sneaks out to rescue them. So Bail is still trying for a peaceful solution, while NotPadme sees the writing on the wall.

Her impulsiveness works for her here, but it comes back to bite her later in the sequel.

Over all, I'd say it's a good start.

I don't think Anakin needs the Force lecture until after he sees it in action. And when he does explain it, it should be shorter that the one Luke gets. Mostly, because they're in a hurry and it keeps the original scene special.

As for the princess rescuing them, it seems a bit convenient to have her as a guardian. Perhaps she was trying to escape - making her the coward and not her brother - and Obi Wan and Anakin unintentionally shame her into going back. If you do want to keep her as a forest guardian, then please, no white until the end of the movie. It's symbolic of her accepting her destiny.

Why shouldn't he? He's siding with Palpatine, not Windu.

What are Jedi but space samurai anyway? ;) I was thinking it's worth watching for the look and feel of the movie. Wikipedia has a summary of the differences between the two: Differences from Seven Samurai

I say post your outline so that there's something to discuss.

It seems alright on the face of it. Would Anakin be one of the peasants?

You really should watch it all the way through. It's a good movie.

Hmm, I'm not sure about the "caring for Luke's well being" part. Seems to me that he wants a disciple for himself and if he brings Luke in too soon, he'd likely end up as Palpatine's disciple. Vader needed the chance to get Luke on his own to play the "I'm your father" card.

Let the Lars' take care of the toilet training. He'll remember him when he's old enough to be useful.

Yes, I looked there first, but I didn't see it. I can check again.

Edit: It's not in the forum there, is it? It won't let me register to check.

I need some help with the password for Pearl Harbor? Please and thank you.

xhonzi said:

I had a thought yesteday after posting all of this:

Perhaps it should just be a forum for people writing new Star Wars stories, Fan Fics I guess, though that term carries with it such baggage.

 

That's true. That's why the cartoon idea was appealing since it implied that it was still a movie project. But if we can work out a reasonably good story, that could still happen, right?

I'll read through those links you posted to see if I can find a good starting point.

I thought that's what asteroid man is working on?

Hmm, Owen and Bail. Yeah, I guess they're important. ;)

mrbenja0618 said:

I don't know. I mean, it sounds good.... But in another movie. One of the many problems of the PT is that it was overly political, and with this, I feel it might be a lot of the same. The political drama was almost a character in of itself when it should merely act as a backdrop.

We didn't ask too many questions during the OT, like why are they fighting? It wasn't overly complicated. I mean the bad guy wore black. It's classic style storytelling and I feel that should have been maintained in the PT. Come up with your backdrop, and let be that and nothing more.

I could be wrong, but that's how I feel at the moment.

I guess it comes back to how much of the PT is worth keeping? If you try to keep the basic outline, then it's not going to be black and white.

All we really need is Anakin, Luke and Leia's mom, Obi-Wan, and clones. Where do we go from here?

xhonzi said:

In short- I think you have to keep Star Wars prequels primarily about ACTION and less about moral dilemmas... Though they should be there to a point... But the main con I see about your take on clones is that it places the emphasis on the clones themselves.  I can't get my head around that, because I think the clones, while necessary to explain the war, should not be too much the focus of the movies.  I'm too tired to explain that better, but perhaps you know what I mean.

I'm not saying it should be one huge debate with little or no action. That would make it Next Gen Star Trek and not Star Wars. But how can a good Jedi go bad without a moral dilemma? As it is now, the war is too much in the background, and that's because there's no human element to it. Anakin falls only because he wants to save his wife. He could have been working at a bakery and still would have fallen to the dark side. My thinking is that the events of the war weakens his resolve and NotPadme's illness pushes him over the edge.

I'm not a script writer but it seems like the amount of time they wasted explaining space taxes and parliamentary procedures in the prequels could have been used to explain why the war is important and what some of the moral implications could be. If you had NotPadme, Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Yoda being some of the few ('few' is key) fighting for peace only to be betrayed by Anakin later? I think that could be amazing to watch. And there would be plenty of room for dog fights and lightsaber duels. So let's say 70/30, action/drama. But the action needs to have a soul.

Now I talked this over with my sister and she doesn't like the telepathy idea and thinks they should be pretty much be Mandalorians who find a new Mandalore. It's too KotOR/300 for me but whatever makes them a threat worthy of naming the whole war after them (but with none surviving - they're that bad) is ok by me.

And thank you for your comments. There has been so much said about Star Wars that I figured I was unknowingly beating a dead horse.