I thought he permanantly altered them to make the SE.
Originally posted by: Go-Mer-TonicHe chose to update the films to make them more like he was hoping they had turned out, and in the process, he permanantly altered the negative. Now the only negative he has is the special edition.
What. Are we going in circles? I thought that it was established and agreed upon in this thread
http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=2&threadid=6537&STARTPAGE=17 that there are non SE or unaltered prints of the OOT. This was only discussed in September, my memory is suspect at times but not that bad.
JediRandy, I’ve had no previous interaction with you, so sorry because I’m sure you’ve been asked this before, are/were you in support of the OOT getting a release on dvd?
Originally posted by: Vigo If you don't like it, tough titties.... it isn't yours.
You are right. The 2004SE DVD´s aren´t mine. And for getting hard nipples, I need something stronger.
Holy crap, that gave me the chuckles.
Originally posted by: VigoAgain, I say that the OOT release was just a marketing gag to sell the unsold SE discs, not to test market the demand for it.
Is this the case? I’m not questioning you, but I was unaware of this. I know the ‘new’ ’05 set didn’t sell well because everyone who wanted it bought it in ’04, but are you saying they salvaged the discs from these sets, repacked them and popped in the OOT and reshipped them to retailers? Does this happen, what a crappy business practice if it does?
Correct me if I’m wrong but there is another officially Star Wars con next year, celebrating the 30th anniversary, isn’t there?
I’d dearly love it for George to address the crowd. I’d be very interested to hear what he has to say to the fans that have followed SW for 30 years, and to hear what he has to say about the only movie that has been around for 30 years, not the SW film that has been around only since ’04.
I’d also love for George to do a Q & A but maybe not for the con. Maybe it would be better suited with journalists as part of promotion for the 30th anniversary to save us from the fanboy questions *speaking with a lisp* “What are the technical capabilities of the Star Destroyer Hyperdrive Engines”
From articles we’ve all read through out recent years there are obviously journalists with influence out there who love the OOT and question the revisions, I’d love them to question George over the constant updating and the many dvd releases, since that will be the big sell next year.
It does make me quite sad that what Lucasfilm started out as, a movie making house independent of the hollywood studios, now employs the practices of those studios to serve the bottom line. Hell, I’m all for George making money and don’t want to see his company go under, but the company is not what it once was.
I’m no LOTR fan. I saw them all once in the cinema and enjoyed them all for the most part, but if I was a fan the multitude of dvd releases would be very annoying. At least I’d be able to pick and choose what I want and buy them, but at the end of the day I could distinguish Peter Jackson from the studio and I wouldn’t be annoyed at Peter Jackson for constant releasing of the dvd’s. It’s not really his decision. The studio that owns the rights are the ones putting out the dvds, they know what their fan base is and how much they can milk them for it. Why is Lucasfilm doing the same thing, when Lucasfilm was established initially to be different from the studio model?
Originally posted by: Go-Mer-TonicI don't deny the business side of Lucas, I just think that his idea of good business is to make the best product he can.
I realise the non Anamorphic release isn't the best he could have done. To him the SE version was the best he could do.
Obviously not everyone thinks the new changes were for the better, and legitimately prefer the original versions. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, and I do hope that all SW fans can enjoy as much or as little of the saga as they want to, in the format they prefer.
I just also understand where Lucas is coming from.
I don't think it's about disrespecting the people who don't agree with him as much as he is respecting his own vision for it with a determined passion.
Nobody could talk him out of making SW in the first place, and a lot of people thought he was crazy to do it in the first place. Why would he suddenly come to the conclusion that his detractors are right now? I think it is a bit selfish to not give a crap about the people who prefer the originals, but I honesty don't see many of those people giving a crap about what he wants either.
I know some of you have no problem with his changes as long as the original is provided along side of it, but by and large there is a lot of crap being flung in Lucas general direction over all of this.
While I can relate to the hard feelings over his suppression of the O-OT and now his lackluster presentation of the O-OT, I think that there is a lot of disrespect given to him beyond that, putting down his artistic vision to the point where you might get the idea that SW was great despite Lucas.
I'm not pointing fingers here, but surely you have to admit there have been a lot of insults sent his way.
The worst he did was not produce the versions everyone wanted to have on DVD. You don't see him putting down all the ways we might have done it differently. He doesn't say that the people who disagree with him are not artistically competant. The way I see it, he is stubborn about his vision, but gracious about the diversity of opinions out there.
I like this post for the most part. I think you nailed it on the part were you said “some of you have no problem with his changes as long as the original is provided along side of it”
If we got the OOT is a dvd release equal to the others, it would make 99% of the fans happy. Lucas could keep on doing what he wants and if we don’t like the prequels we can ignore them too. It’s really quite simple.
Insults are insults, I don’t want to or need to explain them. You can defend Lucas against them if you want to, that’s your prerogative, but at the end of the day it’s all idle internet chatter, I don’t think it really matters nor is it really hurting anyone apart from the Lucas fans who take it to heart.
But by you saying we don’t care what Lucas wants (no we don’t care, release the kickass OOT and he can do whatever he wants, we won’t care any longer) so why should he care what we want. That’s not fair. You’re
spite us with withholding the release because we are unsympathetic to his wishes. Like I’ve said before, two wrongs don’t make a right.
last night that featured a Q&A with the writer/director Nicolas Meyer. He said that films were like a message in a bottle ... and that despite any legal claims to the contrary, a film no longer belongs to its creator in any real or moral sense once it's put out there to the public. I gave him a hearty dose of applause for his admission, as a filmmaker, that "ownership" of art is impossible and illusory once it becomes part of the public sphere.
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