screams in the void

awesome. reminds me of my local Kmart many moons ago .

I have that HelloGreedo video saved to my favorites , I think he is spot on ! I saw it shortly after he posted it , I was also concerned about people bashing Kathleen Kennedy and came across this video a couple weeks later … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ttS7IupC5E and then a day after I viewed it, the whole thing with Kellie Marie Tran was in the news.

I get what you are saying , and I do like Chaykin’s art , I own several issues of American Flagg , as for Simonson , I will try and find some stuff , I am curious as to the origin of the giant stormtroopers myself .

I can understand what you mean , art is subjective and people like different things about it . I recently came across this video and now have some mixed feelings about Howard Chaykin , he has some good points about some things but to me they get a bit drowned out by the attitude he has toward Star Wars fans . I understand he is miffed about royalties he missed out on , but if I ever become an established creator , I hope I will never be like this guy is to his fans…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-cvoqg9wzg

I have seen some of the art for that Solomon Kane comic and it looks pretty good , I read an article somewhere a few years back saying that Chaykin was working on that Solomon Kane project at the same time as the Star Wars adaptation and that he was more enamored with it than Star Wars and that he basically phoned in his first isue of Star Wars . Chaykin himself has said that he felt his work was not very good on the adaptation of Star Wars

I just came across this…https://screenrant.com/modern-movie-special-effects-no-cgi/ How could I forget Fury Road ?! It is one of my all time faves .

I was thinking about an alternate reality where practical effects in movies kept advancing and cgi never took over , and that got me wondering , what was the last great movie that would be considered the pinnacle of practical effects ?

not a fan of most Marvel movies then ?

oojason said:

https://twitter.com/HamillHimself/status/1005493534110068736

‘Now that Kelly Marie has quit social-media, I really hope she somehow gets the chance to see the outpouring of love & affection for her in the #FanArtforRose - Adoring Fans! Amazing Artwork! - https://www.themarysue.com/star-wars-fan-art-for-rose/’

Thank you.

^ what he said.I concur.

paja said:

Here’s a “better” comparison.

I like what you did here . They look more in line with the original trilogy as they looked a long time ago and have a more "filmic " quality to them IMHO and the black levels are much richer

I sometimes wonder about what younger people will get into , Vinyl has made a comeback and there is a collectors market for it , I see young people in antique and thrift shops near me buying used vinyl all the time and there is a comic shop in my town that sells new records as well. There is even a sub culture into collecting vhs .I myself started a vhs collection after finding a 13 inch tv/vcr combo at Goodwill five years ago and then finding a panasonic vcr with hi-fi and 4 heads in perfect working order for 2 bucks at a garage sale .I have also seen many young people on youtube showcasing vhs collections .I would think older and perfectly serviceable technology would be of great interest to SOME people who are on a tight budget and might not have easy access to more expensive stuff . There is even a trend I have seen where younger people are buying crt tv’s for retro gaming because the black levels on them are phenomenal.I don’t think generalizing and making a blanket statement about a whole group of people makes a good case .

#standagainst https://www.deviantart.com/screamsinthevoid/art/Stand-Against-748884934?ga_submit_new=10%3A1528516751 " Being a toxic fan is when you’re insulting and berating and harassing the people making the movies or the people that like them." Folks , these are the exact people I speak to in making this topic , Kelly Marie Tran , Ahmed Best ,Jake Lloyd, Daisy Ridley, etc. . I understand that some people genuinely do not like the direction of the new films,or the decisions of those making them , and have some ligitimate criticisms,but this is not the place to heir those concerns , you probably SHOULD start your own topic to express your views and if you are of a mind to take a stand and stick up for the aforementioned people making the movies and the people that like them that ARE being harrassed, then this is the place for it .

Shopping Maul said:

screams in the void said:

I have to say those are my two favorite films as well , although the 1982 Conan did lead me to the works of Robert E. Howard , the creator of Conan , and while the movie uses a lot of his concepts ,there has never been a faithful adaptation to screen of any of Howard’s stories save for a little short story called Pigeons From Hell that was adapted for a 1961 tv show Boris Karloff’s thriller. I love the movie regardless , would just love to see a direct adaptation of a Howard Conan story . Conan was never a slave and would never have gone quietly.I even made a fan edit of the movie showing how I believe the movie could have skewed a bit closer to Howard’s work which you can see here…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iZSC3LMTw8

Thanks for the link - really interesting take on it all. I must confess I absolutely hated Conan 2011, but I like what you’ve done there. Marvel’s Conan movie adaptation is my favourite comic book of all time (particularly the painted Super Special version) so I loved how you cut between the book and the movie scenes.

I guess where I part company with my fellow Conan-lovers is on the subject of fidelity to Howard. When I discovered Conan in the early 80s I had little sense of where Howard began and ended, diluted as it all was by DeCamp and Thomas and so forth. It was only when Del Rey released their volumes in 2003 that I finally read ‘pure’ Howard. What struck me the most was just how deeply I felt Milius had nailed it. But for me it’s not about the minutiae of Conan’s origins or fidelity to the exact stories so much as it’s about capturing Howard’s attitude. Indeed, it seems to me that the Conan character was really just a foil for Howard to tell a bunch of different stories - from swashbucklers to mysteries to pirate tales to westerns and so on. Conan’s almost a side-character in many of these. He also comes into it all more or less fully formed. There’s no real arc beyond his growing from young upstart to leader of men (and finally King) - which is perfect for the haphazard short stories Howard was telling, but not so great for a movie hero. So I think it was entirely appropriate for Milius to give Conan an arc - an origin and a driving purpose.

I also feel that other writers were scared of REH. DeCamp certainly was. Roy Thomas smoothed out many rough edges to make Conan more heroic and noble (and he completely destroyed Belit IMO). The 2011 film seemed to think that extra violence and nudity was the key - which is juvenile. I think Milius really got Howard. I think he got the essence of Howard, the deep passion and melancholy (and mirth!), the pure love of storytelling at a primal level, the mythic quality. There are some great nods to Howard’s other works in the film - even while the film strays in ‘canon’ terms - and overall I think the movie captures the keynotes of Conan’s life really well. A proper sequel would have had Conan reaching Argos and heading for the sea, very much in keeping with his post-thief career. But alas, we got Conan the Destroyer…

I’m no Howard scholar by any stretch, so I may be well off base here. I think capturing Conan’s character is such a subjective undertaking. Dark Horse’s determination to make a truly Howardian Conan in 2004 (and beyond) was fun but still didn’t feel like Howard to me, even though they ticked all the canon boxes.

Sorry about the rambling! And thanks again for the link - really interesting stuff. May the Crom be with you…

you’re welcome . And speaking of capturing the essence of Howard’s stories , I thought the movie Solomon Kane came the closest .

I have to say those are my two favorite films as well , although the 1982 Conan did lead me to the works of Robert E. Howard , the creator of Conan , and while the movie uses a lot of his concepts ,there has never been a faithful adaptation to screen of any of Howard’s stories save for a little short story called Pigeons From Hell that was adapted for a 1961 tv show Boris Karloff’s thriller. I love the movie regardless , would just love to see a direct adaptation of a Howard Conan story . Conan was never a slave and would never have gone quietly.I even made a fan edit of the movie showing how I believe the movie could have skewed a bit closer to Howard’s work which you can see here…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iZSC3LMTw8

ZkinandBonez said:

screams in the void said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Do you know if he specifically asked for Roy Thomas as well? If so that’d be quite ironic as he eventually asked for him to be removed from the series after the Eight for Aduba-3 story-line. (At least that how I’ve been told that it played out.)

Just came across this video of Roy Thomas , Howard Chaykin and Charles Lippincot at a Panel and it seems I had a few of my facts mixed up…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRLF9TiyzWE

That was really fascinating. Thanks for sharing that. I’m normally to lazy to scour through long convention panel videos.

I also think it’s funny how Chaykin chastises modern comic artist for padding their stories. He might come off as a little harsh at times, but I completely agree with him. Back in the 70’s comic artists really did know how to efficiently tell a story, unlike today. Some still do, but most stories just drags on and on.

screams in the void said:

oops …sorry it was IronWolf …Cody came later…http://beachbumcomics.blogspot.com/2014/12/there-shall-come-hero-howard-chaykins.html

According to the panel it was Starbuck that inspired Lucas to ask for Chaykin, plus it debuted in 1974. Of course IronWolf could have been a part of it as well.

I’m also starting to see where Amaiza’s wacky design might have come from; http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-y8Hp0Agzo8s/VIiepWekLiI/AAAAAAAANr4/JuaBp1BBp0k/s1600/ironwolf-05.jpg

yeah , the Starbuck thing was what I mentioned I had mixed up my facts about and I see what you mean by that panel , looks very plausible to me

ZkinandBonez said:

Do you know if he specifically asked for Roy Thomas as well? If so that’d be quite ironic as he eventually asked for him to be removed from the series after the Eight for Aduba-3 story-line. (At least that how I’ve been told that it played out.)

Just came across this video of Roy Thomas , Howard Chaykin and Charles Lippincot at a Panel and it seems I had a few of my facts mixed up…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRLF9TiyzWE

sorry for your loss , I have lost many relatives over the years and know how painful it can be .

It could be . I see that it is number one as well . I think the movie came out too soon after the last one .The Christmas season also seems to be the new blockbuster season the past five or so years in my area at least . I know a lot of people who go to the Theaters on Christmas day and they are packed . I went to more than a few movies on Christmas day for a few years and sometimes had to sit in the front row.

put them back in theaters and let me radically re-do my watching of them.

Sewing Machine and needle

and here is a little more on the subject…https://aux.avclub.com/a-really-long-time-ago-marvel-played-fast-and-loose-wi-1798286716

ZkinandBonez said:

Do you know if he specifically asked for Roy Thomas as well? If so that’d be quite ironic as he eventually asked for him to be removed from the series after the Eight for Aduba-3 story-line. (At least that how I’ve been told that it played out.)

looking at the article in the first issue of the U.S. monthly comic , Roy says that it started when George expressed interest in a Scrooge McDuck painting on his wall , they met , shared a dinner and that was it .A few months later , Charles Lipincott , the media relations director of Lucasfilm ,looked him up.He said Charlie informed him after a spaghetti dinner , that both he and George would like Marvel in general and him in particular to handle the comic book adaptation. So, yeah , that is ironic , especially given the creation of Jar Jar decades later.

oops …sorry it was IronWolf …Cody came later…http://beachbumcomics.blogspot.com/2014/12/there-shall-come-hero-howard-chaykins.html

as I undestand it , George Lucas was a fan of Chaykin’s Cody Starbuck comic and hand picked Chaykin to do the adaptation