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#1228370
Topic
Taking a stand against toxic fandom (and other )
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oojason said:

DrDre said:

Apparently the analogies I used, are too far out there, so I’ll leave those for another time, and place.

However, in the vein of my original argument, is toxicity a one way street? Are only those that harshly criticize LFM, Disney, the films, and the characters toxic? Is “toxic” the new “sexist”, to be labeled on anyone with a strong negative opinion of the current canon?

No, it isn’t. Though this has already been answered, yes?

oojason said:

DrDre said:

oojason said:

Kellythatsit said:

These people deserve to be called out as the abhorrent jerks they are. Seriously, this is a series of fictional films! People are sending death threats and behaving like absolute nobs just because someone made a star war they didn’t like, or wrote a story they felt was boring, or were a bit confused by all the long words they used.

It’s time these “fans” chilled the **** out and realised their sense of entitlement doesn’t give them the right to troll and abuse people whose only “crime” was to try to make something others would enjoy. It sickens me to see Daisy Ridley and Kelly Marie Tran forced to close down their Instagram accounts because idiots think it’s their right to post hateful dribble at them when they post a photo, just because they were in Star Wars.

Meanwhile shows like RFR and Geeks and Gamers pander their self important drivel to these dregs of the community in a wholly transparent attempt to get more subscriptions and likes.

Well said mate

I disagree with the latter part. Once you start conflating critical platforms such as RFR and Geeks and Gamers with toxic fandom and the like, you’re on a very slippery slope. Similar tactics were used against many liberals in the cold war. Suddenly, everyone who’s on the opposite side is at best potentially a commie/toxic, or at worst guilty by association.

That’s ok that you don’t agree. For many they aren’t considered critical platforms - they are considered toxic. Some may think they are a little of both or varying degrees of. That people enjoy them and like them is up to them - personally I think they’re toxic.

I also like to think many of the people on here, and SW fandom in large, can differentiate between genuine, balanced, legitimate, or informative criticisms of a film(s) - and alternative views therein - and the type of toxic content often found on those and similar platforms (as well as a lack of genuine, balanced, legitimate, or informative criticism on them). Though again, if people like them, or believe they do the find above in those platforms, or aren’t interested in those things… then fair play - it’s up to them.
 

If I want to see shite like this…

(^ the cover used by Geeks and Gamers for their ‘The Last Jedi - Disney Basically Admits That Rey is a Mary Sue’ video (Disney didn’t ‘admit’ anything))

… and numerous articles on Kathleen Kennedy perceivingly ‘failing’, or doing something ‘wrong’, or not to their liking, or have words put in her mouth… I’ll know where to go. Until then I stay away from the toxic shite like that - and can get what I consider to more quality, balanced insight and actual factual-based criticism elsewhere.

Just my two-penneth.
 

… And I tire easily of circular repetitive conversations where one side of the ‘debate’ can’t remember, or doesn’t acknowledge, questions which have already been addressed and answered, all just a few hours before.
 

Edit - apologies, this was posted before seeing screams in the void’s last post.
 

It’s all good man .

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#1228361
Topic
Taking a stand against toxic fandom (and other )
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and moviefreakmind said , " Being a toxic fan is when you’re insulting and berating and harassing the people making the movies or the people that like them." Folks , these are the exact people I speak to in making this topic , Kelly Marie Tran , Ahmed Best etc . I understand that some people genuinely do not like the direction of the new films or the decisions of those making them , but this is not the place to heir those concerns , you probably SHOULD start your own topic to express your views and if you are of a mind to take a stand and stick up for the aforementioned people making the movies and the people that like them that ARE being harrassed, then this is the place for it .

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#1228358
Topic
Taking a stand against toxic fandom (and other )
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Jay said:

LordZerome1080 said:

This whole conversation is so awkward to watch. Thanks Ojason for ending it. In terms of the topic at hand I suggest appointing some sort of representative of this site to do a you tube video detailing the more positive aspects of our cause.

Seeing as opinions vary among the moderators themselves on what qualifies as “toxic”, our official position is that we have no official position. I don’t even know if everyone here could agree on what would constitute an adequate official release of the original trilogy, let alone anything remotely political.

I’ll also take this opportunity to remind everyone that when moderators post content, they’re posting as themselves and not as representatives of the site. We’re individuals with our own thoughts and views.

As OP, oojason has the right to drive the discussion in the direction he sees fit, just as any of you do within your own topics. If you think “toxic fandom” is overblown and you want to discuss that, create a new topic and go to town.

Edit: I was mistaken about oojason being the OP. It’s up to screams in the void to decide what’s on topic or not.

and I agree with Jay here , although I do think the title of moderator implies one is always a representative of the site . I understand you are human and have your own views though .

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#1227384
Topic
Is Star Wars "Better Than It's Ever Been"?
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OutboundFlight said:

Star Wars is at its peak now. You can hook up a VHS and play the classic original trilogy on your tv. You can read the Thrawn books and play the old games. You don’t have to consider the PT or ST canon, and everything will be the same. The only thing that’s changed over time is the amount of content fans can enjoy. It’s up to the fans to choose whether they like and wish to acknowledge said content or not.

By going on and on about how much one hates TLJ, one only reminds themselves of their hatred and can never move on. If ya don’t like, consider it fan fiction and forget it existed.

This is the most sensible post I have seen in a looong time.

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#1227100
Topic
<em>Star Wars: The Clone Wars</em> To Return With New Episodes
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I am happy to see this as I followed the show from the beginning and watched every episode , There were some hits and misses , but over all , I loved it . It actually showed Obi-Wan and Anakin as the good friends they were hinted at in the OT . It also felt a lot like the old Marvel Comic series to me .I just hope I do not have to get a Disney streaming subscription to see it . Does every damn show need its own streaming service now ? If that is the case , it will suck to wait but I imagine it will make its way to blu ray like Rebels did .If they do not do away with physical media all together soon .Damnit .

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#1226448
Topic
Is Star Wars &quot;Better Than It's Ever Been&quot;?
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All I can say is that I have been around since the beginning (1977) and I can remember a time when I was starved for ANY new Star Wars content , from about 1986 to 1991 you could hardly find a book , comic or magazine on the subject and there was a long ass 16 year wait between the OT and the PT .So, there is some really good stuff now and some mediocre stuff but I am just glad to have it still active after all these years

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#1225534
Topic
Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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NeverAreGreat said -" And it’s just a shame, since the seeds of greatness are within TFA from the beginning. A Republic split between a strong, centralized ‘Imperial’ government and a united confederation of self-ruled star systems would provide ample opportunity for conflict." …funny he should mention that , and while I feel that you should not need a novel or comic etc to explain the movie to you , I also feel that they can be quite an enjoyable experience at times . The novel Bloodline was a great read in my opinion and is premised on this exact scenario . It is part of the "official " canon back story to TFA . I have the audio book and it is a fantastic production. puts me in a mood to watch TFA and Last Jedi again…http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bloodline_(novel)

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#1225094
Topic
Taking a stand against toxic fandom (and other )
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Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Any comparisons to Gamergate are accurate insofar as the harrasers are concerned (though I haven’t seen these comparisons from LFL employees).

https://twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/1016392684242550784

GamerGate: another great example of using a minority of harassers to paint an entire community with that wide brush and obscure the original criticisms.

Okay, well was I wrong? I’m not seeing the part in that tweet where he says that anyone who hates his movie is a Gamergate level harraser. He’s pretty spot on in the comparison.

Did you read the preceding tweet that he was responding to? It was about ComicsGate, another supposedly hate-driven campaign that’s being used to paint many comics fans with the same brush as GamerGate, with the usual shitstirring by the usual frauds looking for attention/money like Quinn and Sarkeesian.

Maybe he’s not doing it intentionally, but by drawing the comparisons to what’s going on with Star Wars, I find it hard to believe he doesn’t know who and what he’s inviting into the discussion.

You of course have a typically cynical take on these “gates” that I have no desire to get into you with. Putting that aside, whatever you think of the people bring attacked, there is no reason whatsoever to violently harass. And it’s beyond absurd to suggest that one shouldn’t call out violent harassment just for fear that someone else entirely might come in and paint all criticism with a broad brush. I’m sorry I have more sympathy with those getting death threats than those merely getting supposedly generalized. I don’t know why Rian should have to top toe and ignore the issue completely just because of how other people may or may not respond.

Of course no one should violently harass someone else. Duh.

My point is that the result so far in these “gate” stories is that the harassment becomes the story, the broader fanbase is guilty by association (“toxic fandom”), and the original story that kicked everything off is conveniently forgotten or labeled as conspiracy, while the participants supposedly on the side of social justice go on to build massive social media followings and make money from the whole affair.

Rian can bash harassers all he wants, but drawing comparisons to GamerGate and ComicsGate is going to result in the same shitty mess. I don’t want a JediGate.

The original story that compelled me to kick this thread off was the treatment of Kelly Marie Tran , and lets not hurl insults at people such as “duh” and "panties in a bunch " aye ? seems unbecoming of a moderator imho. And speaking of making money from the whole affair , go to youtube , type in star wars and set the filter to today , on any given day and you can see it’s both sides of the fence . I also have a youtube channel but it is not monetized , nor is my star wars art