satanika

adywan said:

Needa & Quarren (squid head race  in jabbas palace)

Or Nien Nunb.

Well, there are many different posters and logos, is there something specific you're looking for?

I've updated my poster scan/photo collection, feel free to look there, also put up a few eps logos.

My SW posters (83mb)

SW .eps logos (2mb)

Supplement with ocp's posterbook scans.

..

These Russian posters have to be some of the weirdest ones I've seen (and yes they're for Star Wars...):

My take on it:
It's the difference between selfish and selfless 'love'.
Being IN love (desire/attraction) can lead to obsession/jealousy/controlling etc. - selfish feelings.
"I need you", "Don't leave me" - by definition also selfish sentiments.
Jedi should love, but in a selfless way. Or, "If you love someone, set them free"...

These?
http://ygg.nu/images/sw/ep4.jpg
http://ygg.nu/images/sw/ep5.jpg
http://ygg.nu/images/sw/ep6.jpg

That's the highest res I have of them.

...

You know, I really, really hate when you find an older but interesting thread with what would have been lotsa cool pics, but almost all the links are expired. It's such a tease...

Edit: Here's my own smallish collection of (semi)hi-res poster scans/photos saved from this thread and various websites. 83mb. Not Including ocp's posterbook scans which are still up at his site, and mostly from the ot since there is about a billion pt images.

Any particular images you're looking for?

I did find this - http://agaudi.files.wordpress.com/2006/12/blade-runner.jpg

Other than that I only have the cards included in the collector's edition.

Ok, time for another post..

@McPeter - Sorry, I don't have a facebook account and I'm not really in a hurry to get one. Hope you all can follow this thread instead. :)

It's been a bit quiet, mainly because of that pesky thing called 'real life'.. ;)

Anyway, the video will soon be locked, and what remains is fixing/syncing some of the audio and the subs. As mentioned before there will be a completely different translation other than the common fansub. It needs heavy editing though, as it's pretty bad in it's original form.

Also, I'm imposing a deadline on myself - I will release this just before Christmas at the latest.

This (Uproar In Heaven) will be the first in (hopefully) a series of releases called The Monkey King Fan Project, which will most likely be these:

Ginseng Fruit (1981) - Mandarin audio w/English subs, minor restoration/fixup

Monkey King conquers the Bone Demon (1985) (Alternate versions) - alternate versions of both the theatrical and episodic version w/fixed subs. Other language narrations exits for these but has not (yet) been found

There are three or four more cartoons, but they have only Mandarin audio and no subs of any kind. So for those to happen I would need the help of someone who could translate it..

...

The theatrical version... As said earlier, I was lucky enough to catch Uproar In Heaven on the big screen.

It was an English print (with the English narration) in very good condition. The colours were similar to what you may have seen on tv or vhs - heavy on the blue and red and lacking some yellow.

But there was so much detail, more than I've ever seen... Especially in the dark scenes you could see details not available on any transfer. I made me realize just how much the 40th edition is affected by crushed blacks - a LOT of detail is lost in the dark scenes. :(

For example, in the pills/elixir scene you could clearly make out all the details in the background, and in the furnace scene you could actually see everything that was going on.

But at least there are still prints in good condition around, this one at least, and most likely also some French ones. So it still possible that a better transfer can be made in the future..

The English narration was not very good to be frank. It skipped over a lot of the dialogue and finer points and most of the humour. To bad for all those in the audience who didn't know the story as well as me!

So, while I would like to include the English audio on my version, it's not a huge loss if it doesn't turn up.

The Danish and Swedish narrations are actually a lot better IMO... The Danish especially captures the humour well. The Swedish is a bit too 'childish' for my taste.

That's all for now!

skyjedi2005 said:

I would like to see the Filmgoers complaints of Temple of Doom to compare with the Crystal Skull bad reviews from fans.

Here's a few:

http://groups.google.com/group/net.movies/browse_thread/thread/11c79e6b6ab71ee5/d82ddf03e54cb4e3

http://groups.google.com/group/net.movies/browse_thread/thread/2138c3bde554eee2/fffe61d6a434a27

http://groups.google.com/group/net.movies/browse_thread/thread/af8c0ba7c2629/77e195f07184b35d

And...

'Rotj nitpicking'

http://groups.google.com/group/net.movies.sw/browse_thread/thread/b2c7f3760fb1702c/001eadfe79b8d67d

'RotJ ***SPOILER*** & disappointed flame'

http://groups.google.com/group/net.movies.sw/browse_thread/thread/f63b1734b2601bcb/30c4e784be3a887e

'RotJ: Comments, Criticism, and Speculation'

http://groups.google.com/group/net.movies.sw/browse_thread/thread/c7c7d96b051ebacc/f1011f76344e1386

Preview of the dvd-cover (not final yet):

You really should use a lossless codec (lagarith or huffyuv - lagarith will usually output smaller files though) if you're serious about the final quality. I would NEVER edit in anything other than that.
It takes more space, yes, but not overly much and why degrade the picture needlessly? 500GB or maybe 1TB should be enough space for most projects, depending on how much source material you need to have access to at any given time.

Thanks for that image. I can't view that flash file myself for some reason, so I've never seen the big version. I like the airbrushed almost cg-like quality of it. I'm gonna have to use it for something...

Hmm, I can't make it work anyway...
If I have a 24fps progressive clip and use dgpulldown with a custom setting of 24 -> 25, it simply changes the framerate to 25fps. Would have liked to have tested it though - but oh well...

Yes, similar, except he seems to have used 23.976->25, but that's practically the the same of course.

Yeah, I know soft pulldown is preferable.

Just wondering why we're not seeing this type of pulldown more with for example fan preservations... Maybe it's just not very well known or there could be other issues.. 

(Btw, the issues mentioned in that thread with the blended fields - it's my understanding this usually stems from poorly converted ntsc material -> pal (bad ivtc).)

Anyone know something about this method of getting 24fps on pal equipment? Specifically if there are any drawbacks to this method?

A small note for Tobbeo (who was asking about the possibility of 24fps):

Having done a small bit of research, it might be possible to do a pal dvd with 24->25fps pulldown, also called a 2:2:2:2:2:2:2:2:2:2:2:3 pulldown (google it for more info). Don't know that much about it yet, will need to do some testing. But could be a way to retain the 24fps...

Is this the H20 ntsc dvd?

I had a quick look at it, didn't find any problems.

Ripped vobs, ran dgindex.exe. Used this avisynth script:

LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\dgdecode.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\tcomb.dll")
Mpeg2Source("S:\temp\h20\h20.d2v")
Telecide()
Decimate(5)
crop(0,100,0,-102,align=true)
#correct aspect ratio for 1:1 pixel ratio displays (like pc monitors)
#Lanczos4Resize(720, 306)
#OR
#resize to anamorphic
#Lanczos4Resize(720, 360).Addborders(0,60,0,60)

Use the crop and/or resizer (one of them) if you want, hope I calculated correctly :)

Edit - Note:

If you want the highest possible quality ntsc anamorphic dvd you might try obtaining a pal version of the movie - this will have higher vertical resolution (unless they really messed up and upconverted from ntsc...).

A few screens of color-correction.... DVD colors on the left, mine to the right.

I'm sure it can be solved, but I really don't have enough information to offer any more suggestions.

If you put up a small clip from the source file I'll be happy to take a look at it.

Well...
You say it's fine now, does that mean the jerkiness went away? It could have been caused by wrong ivtc settings.

Do you want to be resizing? You are using LanczosResize(640,352) (making the frame smaller). If you are first making it smaller and then resizing back to dvd resolution in vegas that could of course cause some loss of detail. Comment out the line if you don't want that.

I feel I don't really have enough information to help you properly - you also mention aspect ratio; you don't need to correct the aspect ratio if you're making a dvd for example, your project should simply be in 720x480 for ntsc.

Yes, it looks like some blur was applied or something...

It would be much easier to help you if you could upload a small clip as I said.

Alternatively, list all the steps you're doing and post the avs script if you're using one.

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

Bobocop said:

So am I to understand there will be a Swedish overdubbed audio option?

Sorry, it's English audio with Swedish subtitles.  Interestingly, Chewbacca's name appears to be "Tugg".  Hmm, now might be a good time to ask the question that the subtitles left me with --- what's a "misslycat"?

Misslycat or misslyckat means 'failed'.

Tugg means 'Chew', so that kinda makes sense. :)

Edit: Ah, didn't see the replies for some reason.

thebutcher said:

Also, is it normal that I notice a slight drop in sharpness after the inverse telecine process?

No, not if it was originally progressive (shot on film, not video), and wasn't messed up during pulldown.

Hm, it's a bit difficult to tell what could be going wrong for you, maybe you could upload a small clip of the raw mpg somewhere?

The jerkiness could be caused by swapped fields. Have you tried swapping the field order?

Another update:

I'm basically stopping the search for other and/or better sources for these movies.
I've been unable to locate the dvd of the Chinese bootleg version and the English narration audio.
I've spent a lot of time and money so far trying to get every version out there, but I have to stop sometime...

I did have a lead on the English narration but it seems unlikely I will get it at the moment... Oh well.

Since every version I have of the full version has various problems, the companion disc with the alternate version is on hold for now.
If someone can get me the Chinese bootleg dvd (error free) or a lossless vhs rip of the French version I will be happy to work on it... But it seems silly to work on it now, when I know there are better versions out there.

Maybe after the restoration is released someone will come forward? We'll have to wait and see I guess.

I'll post some mini-reviews later for all the Monkey King dvds I've accumulated so far, in case some of you were wondering which versions to get and where.
Also some notes about the theatrical version coming up..


Planned dvd specs:

The Monkey King - Uproar In Heaven (1965) FAN RESTORATION

PAL DVD5

Runtime: ~110 mins.

Audio:
Mandarin mono/stereo
Danish narration
Swedish narration
French dub

Subtitles:
Chinese Simplified
English (reworked fansub)
English alternate (reworked from Taiwan ed.)

- Stabilized and cleaned image
- Re-inserted 20+ mins. missing from the 40th anniversary edition
- Hand-cleaned/repaired hundreds of frames (There are still a few frames with writing on them remaining, some would basically need redrawing to fix)
- Color-corrected entire movie as best as possible (due to damage, it's basically impossible to make it completely consistent, but I've tried)
- Restored stereo audio from poorly faked 5.1 audio
- Tried to make the audio slightly less grating
- Added credits
- Added reworked fansub and reworked Taiwan ed. subs, including new subs for the added scenes

If you're in Denmark you might have a chance to see Uproar In Heaven on the big screen...

http://www.dfi.dk/cinemateket/Program/Filmbeskrivelse.htm?id=f19971

It will be shown tomorrow (the 11th) and again the 28th of September.

It's an English 35mm theatrical version.

Of course I'll be going both times...

What a strange coincidence... and great opportunity. 8)

Old (and long) article about 35mm piracy...
Mentions the McDowall case and more.

http://www.jamesmonaco.com/PiracyJM.html