satanika

Well, I guess it depends on how paranoid you are.. :)

But (talking generally) if you're doing something illegal a po box is not gonna save you...

I'm still not quite sure what kind of distribution you're talking about - the final product?
That's not really anything to worry about at this point?

But if, say, 50 people are going to work on individual raw frames, then that method is going to be s-l-o-w. Snailmailing frames out... Working on them... Sending them back... Team leader or whatever checking them... sending back if more work is needed... it will be logistics hell...

negative1 said:

) how will the HD versions of the OT be distributed?

2) how do we keep it anonymous?

3) how do we restrict the copy to only people that want it?

4) can we keep it off torrent, filesharing sites?

5) how do we make all the discussion about these topics disappear

once its done, and that way it won't be archived by google?

6) how do we keep any of the information about it, or the people

involved disappear also? [AND NO, I DONT MEAN MAKE THE PEOPLE DISAPPEAR, ha ha]

1. The usual channels? Or do you mean the raw files (for cleanup etc.)? Someone with a bigass server and uplink... if many people are going to be involved in the frame by frame cleanup.

2. You can't basically, unless you go completely dark and run everything from a server located in Russia or similar.. But of course getting all the threads erased would increase security.

3-4. Impossible...Stuff is leaked on the interwebs all the time, movies, music games etc. Once it's out it's out..

5-6. You will need to contact a moderator or owner of this site...

Suggestion:

Worry more about intent... Set up a closed website with invite only access. This is a private project for transferring 35mm film for personal/educational use... The intent is not to distribute it and certainly not profit from it. What happens later is out of your hands basically.

Did you try the analog tv signal option and try to tune to the signal?
It should have it's own channel somewhere?

Erm, what was the problem?

Sorry, I don't understand, doesn't the device output a tv signal in effect??

In my search for a better secondary source for Uproar In Heaven I came across these...

Ginseng Fruit (1981) ~44 mins.

The only version that seems to be available of this is on vcd. This is definitely better!

Subtitling is about 90% done.

I also found a third version of The Monkey King Conquers the Bone Demon (1985).

In some ways it is superior to both official dvd's.

It does however have a few problems - blended fields and aliasing... but still might be a nice alternate version.

It requires a lot of reworking of the subtitles though.

Screens - 1st theatrical version from official dvd, 2nd tv/episodic version from official dvd (notice how overcropped it is) and 3rd this new version (also the tv/episodic version).

'Ginseng Fruit' will definitely be done; the other - well I'd like to release it also, but we'll see...

Cool, there is just something about these old outdated formats.. :)

Now, someone preserve this please:
http://theswca.com/index.php?action=disp_item&item_id=22504

(more here http://theswca.com/index.php?action=disp_category&category_id=407 )

;)

Something like this?
http://www.terratec.net/en/products/Cinergy_HT_PCI_1828.html

Really it should be easy to find a cheap tv tuner card at any computer store.

I didn't say it was impossible, nor necessarily a bad idea.
But firstly I have no access to any hd equipment to test on, and I know noting about converting to a blu-ray compatible format..

Secondly, why do you want it? Is it only for the 24fps? An ntsc dvd would (very nearly anyway) deliver that... Another possibility, while not quite the same, would be a pitch corrected pal audio track.
Or is it also upscaling you want? Somehow I would assume anyone serious about hd would have some sort of quality upscaler for their dvds..

Anyway, if you (or anyone else) can provide me with some info on doing this sort of conversion, all the more likely it could happen.


PS: sweyland - not sure if you got my pm, but if you're reading this feel free to contact me if you still wanna help out..

What about a tv-card/tv-grabber for the computer?

Blu-ray, I don't see how?

The first version will be pal, but an ntsc version should be possible.

You could try using an avisynth .avs file via VFAPIConvEN.exe?

They're vcds so about vhs quality... They're also fullscreen.
They were cool to own at the time (well, I thought so anyway) but a mere curiosity these days.

Ah, ok.

You could try this -
http://www.dvdshrink.info/forcing_subs.php

Don't know if it works, but it's quick to try.

Edit: Otherwise you could read up on dvd programming.. It shouldn't be to hard to make a small program in ifoedit that automatically selects a subtitle, forced or not.

Well it is still up to the players software/firmware to honor the 'forced' flag I think, similar to region codes etc.

Another option might be in the players settings where you can often set the default subtitle language and whether it is on or off by default.

Update:
This project was on hold hold for a few weeks, as I had a lead on a dvd of the full version. However, while it had a few more lines of resolution it also had various other problems making the quality same or worse than the xvid I've been using...

The editing is nearly done. I did my first full encode yesterday, and I think it looks pretty good. A drop in quality for both audio and video was always unavoidable, but I've done my best to blend the two sources. This is the best it's gonna get until someone does another transfer...

I've tried color correcting the best I could. But the '40th' dvd, while sharp, is so messed up... The color is all over the place, and in many scenes the color information is damaged or even missing.

In one of the final scenes for example, all the blue is basically missing and no amount of color correction can get it back. This scene also had severely crushed blacks, you basically couldn't see what was happening (it is naturally a very dark scene). I've had to replace this scene though I didn't really want to.

Many scenes are shifted towards green or another color, and it really is impossible to make it completely consistent, also because the color sometimes fluctuates a lot just in a single scene... But it should be a lot better.

The work that remains is
- syncing the other language audio tracks, which is tedious work, but at least the Danish one will be done.
- translating a few more lines for the subtitles.
- fixing about a billion bad frames... Well there sure are many. I think it is unfeasible for me to fix them all, but I'll try and do some more..
- final color pass, if needed

Anyone up for some quality control? Just one maybe two guys, preferable someone familiar with the original dvd for comparisons. PM me if you're interested.


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I'm considering releasing the complete 'long' version I have as a bonus disc to this. It is framed/cropped differently and has rather different colors, and is a lot blurrier, but in a way it is more consistent with itself at least. What do you think?

Well, the source is very bad, so I can't say you've done a bad job.

But it just looks very overfiltered to me. The background basically has lost any texture and is just smeared completely out.

This is most evident when Luke has just entered the building, compare the original wall texture to the new - all detail is lost.

I suggest cutting back a little on the filtering so you don't lose too much detail. Of course that's the real trick, finding the perfect middle ground between filtering and too much filtering. :)

How are you doing this? A general filter chain or hand-cleaning each frame, or a combination?

Good luck anyway! :)

Yes, there are other Monkey King movies...

In 1985 the same company (Shanghai Animation Film Studio) that did Da Nao Tian Gong/Uproar In Heaven made another theatrical movie featuring the Monkey King - Jin Hou Xiang Yao/The Monkey King Conquers the Bone Demon (AKA The Golden Monkey Conquers the Evil AKA Golden Monkey Subdued the Evil).

Similar to 'Uproar' this was also broadcast (in episodic format) on tv in various European countries, probably in the late 80's.

This movie is available on dvd with (bad) English subs; though as is unfortunately common with these Chinese releases it has various problems.. The 1-disc ed. has the theatrical version, it is watchable but the transfer is quite washed out, jumpy and flickery... The bonus disc on the 2-disc ed. has the episodic/tv version, this version looks a lot better but unfortunately someone decided to crop it quite badly to make it 16:9... A lot of the top picture is missing.. :(

Apparently further episodes was produced, most likely for tv only, but I have very little information on them.. They only seem to be available on vcd, and I don't own them. But I do believe they are produced by SAFS.

adywan said:

Octorox said:

doubleofive said:

I couldn't resist posting the two changes I noticed.  I won't directly put them on here till everyone has had a look, but I'll post the links for the curious:

Change 1

Change 2

change 2 looked really shopped in that video. I guess HD is a lot less forgiving! Of course, it's still in early development as well.

actually that's the best i'm going to get it at the moment. trying to find horns to match the wampa is hard enough but to get them in HD res then that's the killer.i haven't got a clue where i'd find some horns to match or come even close. i had to use a mixture of wampa & taun taun to do those shots.  then tracking those shots...man that's tough. if you think it looks crap then if i can't get it any better then i'll just have to drop it. This is the big hurdle i have to face now i'm working in HD. its a whole new ball game.

 

You and Josh really need to get a room