sade1212

Burbin said:

I believe sade actually stitched the shot of Rey to alter her mouth movements, so that it reads as “I’m a Jedi”, that’s what I meant works seamless/flows naturally.

Nope: the only shot I stitched together was to stick the ending of the “I am all the Sith” shot, where Sheev shoots some lightning, on to the “A scavenger girl…” shot which I’d swapped into it’s place, to maintain sync with the original music and all. I did this by lining them up, fading between, and then masking the lightsaber beam back in from both to hide the transition (this little bit of after effects magic I’m so proud of is available as a lossless mp4 on Mega). The rest, including the bit with Rey, is just taken from Ascendant as-is; the lips just happen to line up well enough.

No, mine is just the “I’m a-” from “I’m all the Jedi” mushed straight into the “-uh Jedi” from the end of the same phrase, with a bit of trial-and-errored overlap and fading. I didn’t add any sounds from elsewhere, just a touch of reverb to smooth over that transition a bit more.

It’s definitely “I’m a Jedi” not “I am a Jedi”, but I think if you really want the latter you’d need to find a way to stitch together a more defiant delivery of the whole line from syllables elsewhere, which is beyond my level of effort. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with Sherlock’s version; I just opted to try to copy it myself while I was doing the Palpatine line swap, rather than bother cutting it out of his streamable link.

Anakin thinks Padme died prior to giving birth (and the babies with her), right? Hence she looks pregnant at her funeral. The recent Vader comic explores this idea a bit.

Cinefy said:

CaptainFaraday said:

I agree the thematic use of the Sith Spinning Scream is a bit shaky, but in terms of how it would sound in the moment, I really love the idea. It’s worth trying out at least.

I definitely think its worth testing the sound right as he explodes; or slightly after.
Found a way more echoed version in SWBFII,

Concept: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/702816288342278207/847721533132898334/Sith_Scream_Final.mp4

This is super neat. I’d love it even more if it could be mixed it with more reverb, and more of a fade out effect to really sell the ‘spirit’ going to nothing.

Put that Mustafar shot into HAL’s Rogue One so the current one isn’t technically a reuse in the 9000 saga.

/s…?

sherlockpotter said:

Hal 9000 said:

Also, sherlockpotter, did you stitch the very end of the “I am all the Sith” shot onto the end of “no match for the power in me”? If so, bravo, because I can’t tell unless I’m reverse engineering it. lol

All credit where it’s due: sade1212 is the one who did the incredible work restructuring Palp’s dialogue; I just stapled my line onto the end.

Yeah, I stitched the two Palpatine shots together. All the lossless footage for that, and all the necessary audio for switching Palpatine’s lines (plus my version of “I’m a Jedi”) are up on my Mega account here (My post about this is somehow now ten pages back because of how active this thread is!). I tried to not use too many files so all the (single-channel) audio clips are in the one mp3 and the Ascendant/Theatrical flavours of the stitched together Palpatine shot are both in the same mp4.

Ooh, I’d certainly be interested in getting a link to that when it’s available, please.

Part of me sort of enjoys having Testing as a “devil’s advocate” of sorts - after all, when fanediting, it can be all too easy to change something without fully appreciating the nuances of why it was that way to begin with, and it can be valuable to step back and reflect on whether you’ve really gained more than you’ve lost. But in moderation.

One of the best things about fanediting is it gives us freedom from the problem the studios have of needing one version of their movie to appeal to all people. There’s no need for us to reintroduce that problem by deciding any one fanedit has to be the be-all and end-all.

The 1080p BR is encoded in h264 and you can use FFmpeg to convert it to an mp4 that Premiere can open with the command “ffmpeg -i inputfile.mkv -c:v copy outputfile.mp4”.

This won’t work so well for the 4K BR for two reasons: firstly, it’s h265 (10 bit) encoded, and secondly it’s in HDR. Tonemapping HDR down to SDR yourself is quite the headache - I must confess I tend to use someone else’s SDR tonemapped version of the film (available… elsewhere) instead. I usually then use FFmpeg to convert said SDR tonemapped 4K footage to DNxHR HQX for editing according to the details laid out here. You can also use fairly recent Handbrake versions (maybe only nightlies?) to convert h265 footage to lossless h264 for editing - set the quality slider to 0, level and things to auto, and make sure the resolution is set to 3840x2160 with no anamorphism or cropping - but this produces even bigger files. 4K video generally always gets even more huge as soon as you take it to any codec besides h265.

Of course, as demonstrated in Movies Remastered’s post above, the tone mapped 4K SDR footage isn’t quite identical to the 1080p footage because it’s essentially a different grade of the movie. I use Dre’s colour match tool to match the 4K footage to the 1080p footage if necessary.

FFmpeg isn’t so scary once you’ve used it a few times. It’s pretty difficult to screw anything up with your computer - mistyped commands almost always quickly throw an error message (fail fast!).

Edit: sorry, totally off-topic page king.

Topaz Video Enhance AI would be your best bet for getting 4K footage out of a 1080p source. You’d only need to upscale the puppets and the cleaned background, right, because the rest is the same as the theatrical and could just be matted back in from the 4K source.

Xpost from the Ascendant thread in case anyone wanted it:

I’ve uploaded the various materials for my “I’m a Jedi” stuff on Mega, here. There’s two full lossless .mp4 versions of the clip, one with words, and one without (done by mixing the left and right channels to create a clean centre channel), with 5.1 AAC audio. The shorter .mp4 is the edited Palpatine shot I made in both Ascendant (purple) and Theatrical (blue) flavours. The .mp3 contains the various isolated voice clips - both the original lines and my edited versions - so you can combine them with the wordless file in whatever configuration you desire. It’s in mono; they go in the centre channel. Hopefully this is useful to someone even if HAL doesn’t go down this route. Let me know if I forgot anything.

I’ve uploaded the various materials for my “I’m a Jedi” Palpatine line switch stuff on Mega, here. There’s two full lossless .mp4 versions of the clip, one with words, and one without (done by mixing the left and right channels to create a clean centre channel), with 5.1 AAC audio. The shorter .mp4 is the edited Palpatine shot I made in both Ascendant (purple) and Theatrical (blue) flavours. The .mp3 contains the various isolated voice clips - both the original lines and my edited versions - so you can combine them with the wordless file in whatever configuration you desire. It’s in mono; they go in the centre channel. Hopefully this is useful to someone even if HAL doesn’t go down this route. Let me know if I forgot anything.

Personally I really liked the theme of balance being something has to be actively maintained. That’s how things tend to be in the real world, after all, and Star Wars is all about vaguely applicable moral lessons. The importance of keeping up the work of previous generations - and if possible, surpassing it - lest you forget the lessons of the past is one of the things the sequels manage to convey (especially in TLJ) I think.

Mistress Rey… what are you going to do?

Worth noting he’s not the only one - Doug Chiang and John Knoll have the same job title.

RogueLeader, you always have excellent ideas for small tweaks to lines which totally change their meaning. I really like “I saw what we will become. We won’t just have power. We’ll have his power.” (maybe I’ll try to see if I can put it together). The ideas that you and others have been having recently to further separate Kylo from Palpatine are excellent, I think, and a good way to bring him a little closer to TLJ Kylo and also make his redemption better fit his overall plot in the movie.

I admit that I am personally biased against Testing’s (and I suppose the official) interpretation of Palps ever wanting to possess Ben in a Rey Palpatine edit, because if he could just possess anyone regardless of their genes, why’d he bother putting all that effort into growing force sensitive clones of himself, or strandcasts like Rey’s dad? I also don’t really like the idea he ever intended to possess Luke in ROTJ - the existence of Exegol and his clone bodies there already help justify his seeming willingness to die in ROTJ; we don’t need to make it weird. In a Rey Nobody edit, though, I suppose you have to suggest he could possess either of them since there’s no obvious distinction.

DZ-330 said:
I think putting “you are nothing” over the silence would be a good idea as Rey would respond more quickly to saying she’s is a Jedi, which I think helps even more to remove the Endgame-ness of it. Are you able to mock that up?

Sure. Here’s a mockup with “You are nothing!” shifted a little later to alleviate the awkward silence, and here’s one with it shifted all the way to the end as DZ suggests. (Edit: maybe it’s a little quiet there, but you get the idea)

The issue is, of course, the footage and the music. Only “I am all the Sith!” and the back half of “…scavenger girl is no match for the power in me.” have shots of Palpatine’s face, unfortunately; so one of those has to be his last line - unless you choose to put “you are nothing” over the tension-building silence before Rey speaks.

My previous mockup was just done messily in stereo and with music from the OST, so it wasn’t usable in a 5.1 edit. It also noticeably omitted Palpatine’s final thrust of lightning just prior to the big pause and Rey’s lines. Thus, I have produced a second mockup.

This one is clearly much worse paced, with a big awkward silence, but that’s because I’ve kept it 100% in sync with the original version of the sequence for now in order to keep the music entirely intact. The big thing I did with this mockup (besides 5.1) is to combine the ending of the original “I am all the Sith!” Palpatine shot with the “…scavenger girl…” shot, so I could have Palpatine still do his big blast of electricity.

I’ve been messing with “I’m a Jedi” for ages and also am never satisfied with it. No matter how much I shift and fade the clipped up bits of the line, it still sounds hurried - or, at worst, like she’s saying “I’m the Jedi” or bizarrely even “I’m with Jedi”. There’s certainly no way to get her to sound defiant or triumphant saying it, unless you totally replace it, because the original line is said with a sort of subdued surprise.

I enjoy how the original plot makes Palpatine’s use of the dyad to rejuvenate himself in the finale actually a pay-off of his scheming, rather than a lucky coincidence. I can see how they felt it was important to give Kylo more agency though - it’d seem strange for him to go from TLJ Kylo to just being a lackey for Palps, and then from there to redemption.

The problem with leaving in “I am all the Sith!” is that Rey’s new “I’m a Jedi!” response has to specifically be to Sheevie’s “a SCAVENGER GIRL is no match for the power in me!” statement, right? (edit: just as the poster above said!) Perhaps swapping Palpatine’s lines would work. Here’s a crude mockup of that idea (forgive the unpolished audio and lack of ghosts).

Edit: Does Rey ever refer to herself as a Jedi before this? I know Luke does, but I think that’s alright. It’s just that for this to land well, I think it has to be a ‘breakthrough’ in her confidence in herself, overcoming that self-doubt (which would be undermined if she’d previously considered herself a Jedi).

I feel like Across the Stars is secretly lightsaber fight music (warning: extremely half-baked mockup). I’m not sure this is a feasible rescore though; you’d probably have to seriously butcher together bits of various renditions of AtS and re-time the sequence to get them to fit together. Plus, it’s a very on-the-nose needle drop.

I really like the idea but in that mockup I can’t not hear/semi-lipread it as “I… all the Jedi.”, for some reason. Is it possible to cut to Rey’s face later, or would we need to bust out some AI lip changing tech for this one?

What’s up with this idea of “the throne of the Sith” anyway? I suppose Rey could have surmised her vision was of Exegol, but are we supposed to assume the Jedi texts also talked about the importance of Palpatine’s chair, or something? Does the galaxy at large recognise this “throne of the Sith” or is it just a Sith Eternal thing? Does Rey even know about the Sith Eternal? The whole planet is super secret. It kind of feels like it’s trying to pull something from Game of Thrones, but without the setup.

I’d be tempted to try and tweak it to be “a throne.”, or even trim the exchange down to “I had a vision. Ren? And me.”… But unfortunately if Rey doesn’t call it “the throne of the Sith” it doesn’t really convey why it would have made her so scared about turning to the dark side.

(On reflection this is probably unnecessary nitpicking.)

LegendX600 said:

Sure, “mindless takes,” the thousands of people who were upset by these movies and their awful decisions are mindless. I think it’s funny how all of these “mindless takes” rake in thousands and millions of views while the videos defending them get substantially less and have massive dislike ratios.

My sincerest apologies. I had been foolishly misled into believing film criticism was subjective and personal. Now I see my error, and in the future I will make sure to reference view counts and dislike ratios so I can adjust my objectively incorrect thoughts to match the consensus of the Star Wars YouTube demographic.

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None of us would be here in this subforum if we hadn’t been somewhat disappointed by at least one Star Wars film, so there’s no need for you to percieve my comment about YouTube ragebaiters as a condemnation of anyone who didn’t like such and such movie. My key point to OP was that if they set out to appease every criticism out there, they’ll have an impossible task on their hands.

I wouldn’t let other people tell you what to think about the movies. Trying to please everyone is how TROS wound up being what it is. YouTube is full of truly mindless takes from people who like to be angry all the time (and/or make money off of it).

Most of your ideas here are very radical and would require substantially altering the plot and character arcs of the trilogy. Plus, some of them just seem like trying to tie-in to other material in ways that make little sense: why would Pryde be Thrawn? And how? Has he painted his face? Does he still get exploded out of a window? Etc. I’d carefully consider exactly what each of your planned changes would gain/lose. If Luke arrives on Crait in person, how does he survive? Is he just invincible? If Luke’s invincible, how is he dead in the next movie? As is endlessly demonstrated in HAL’s Ascendant thread, fanediting often comes down to trying to do as much as you can with only small tweaks - even then, tiny edits can have undesirable implications and repercussions for the rest of the movie.

Why are you calling Neverar “Great Date”?