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I really like the idea of delaying the return of Ben and then ending the movie with/near that scene. But you irised the wrong way 😉 (the final shot is supposed to disappear as a small circle shrinking into the middle of the screen). Unless, of course, it was stylistically designed to be that way.

NFBisms said:

I have encyclopedic knowledge of every line Hayden Christensen has ever said in a movie after 2002 if anyone needs something specific.

After 2002? Doesn’t Goosebumps contain the Anakin line we really need to tie the whole trilogy together?

Kick me, cmon! I dare ya

oojason said:

Are you sure mate?

It may be worth asking him if that is the case - just to confirm, either way?

(He is quite active and helpful in the comment section of that video - so you should get an answer)

Obviously not frame perfect but you get the idea.
He’s yet to reply to my comment.

And ROTJ. This one is frame perfect; and yes I did screenshot the 2011 Bluray and the video separately rather than cheat and use the exact same image.

Clavis said:

I edited the healing and kiss scene so that Leia gives Ben her life force to heal Rey, meaning that Ben lives. I added the voices of Leia, Luke, Han and Anakin so that the scene would still have an emotional impact.

https://vimeo.com/405054899

Password: bluebutterfly

I enjoyed this - your idea conveys well that the other Jedi are helping Ben. I’d be tempted to cut Han though, and focus more on Leia, as Han is a) not a force ghost and b) already prominently featured in Ben’s return to the light.

Do we know how far this Chewie scene from the novelisation made it into production? It was obviously written to some extent, and there’s concept art for it, but unlike the cut Mustafar scenes I haven’t seen any indication they shot anything. Maybe they figured it’d be too many flashbacks in a movie which already has Rey flashback to her parents, Kylo and Rey see flashes of Exegol and flashbacks to TFA, a whole flashback sequence with Luke training Leia…

oojason said:

‘Is Disney+ Good Enough? Star Wars Trilogy 4K Blu-ray Review’ - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGLco4P72TA

All the footage he uses in that video is the 2011 Blurays, based on the colours, no? Seems somewhat misleading.

towne32 said:
I’d love to apply the HD color to the UHD image, but I’m not sure how feasible this is.

There are versions available from the group SWTYBLZ which are 2160p 10bit SDR, created by applying a tonemapping algorithm (“using tripple mixed Hable-Reinhard-JJ per scene+frame analysis algorithm”) to the HDR UHD Blurays. They’re not quite 100% identical to the official 1080p SDR colours, but they’re certainly very close, and are very useful if your UHD Blurays don’t look right on your TV for whatever reason.

If you’ve got cash to spare and the hardware to play it, I’d probably just suggest you get the latest 4K/UHD Bluray releases. It’s the best video quality officially available for all nine films, and it makes sure you’re as legally ‘in the clear’ as possible when downloading fan versions, which I would absolutely recommend you do to supplement that set.

For AOTC, Schorman’s HDTV preservation is arguably superior in quality to even the new 4K Bluray, due to not having the overzealous noise reduction that the 2011 and 2020 Blurays suffer from (overly smooth looking skin, lack of small details). TPM is also cursed with too much noise reduction, but unfortunately for that movie the HDTV preservation is even worse because it was sourced from an earlier, poor quality scan of the film, so you basically just have to come to terms with that.

For the OT, I would recommend you check out 4K77 and 4K83 (4K preservations of the original unspecial theatrical versions), and D+77 and D+80 (semi-despecialised edits of the movies based on the new 4K versions) which are worked on over at the Star Wars Trilogy Forums.

If you’re short on cash, the new 2020 4K/UHD Prequel Trilogy Blurays are only a tiny tiny improvement on the 1080p 2011 Blurays, so the old prequel Blurays would do just fine. I’d recommend strongly against the 2011 OT Blurays though as they’re much worse than the new 2020 Blurays, on account of being based on an older, inferior scan of the film prints, and having some seriously misguided colours. For the ST, you can grab either the 1080p or UHD Blurays really - there’s a bigger difference than there is with the prequels, since the ST was actually shot on film rather than on dodgy early digital cameras, but any Bluray you get of those movies will be fundamentally the same image just at a different resolution/colour depth.

John Knoll totally said:

We could go back to the original film-out tapes that are a couple of generations better than what had been seen… and really make sure to run the whole lot through some extra aggressive DNR software, cranking up the intensity until Qui-Gon looked like a melting wax figure. This was helpful for the 3D release, and after we finished that, we decided that since we’d already encoded the movie once, we may as well just stick that same sandpapered version on every other home media release of the film ever. For the 4k releases, we could’ve taken the opportunity to release this master without ridiculous overprocessing, but when people buy a 4K disc, what they actually want is the exact same vaguely nauseating image as the previous Bluray, so we just ran it through an upscaling algorithm and opened our wallets up.

Edit: for clarity, this is a joke.

AI voice has come a long way. It’s very difficult/time-consuming to train still, but sites like 15.ai prove what is possible with a lot of time and effort. Even that site’s best voices - the ponies - still sound robotic, but if you intend to generate masked Kylo dialogue that wouldn’t be a problem. I believe it will be feasible within a few years, as I imagine more consumer friendly tools for this sort of thing are being developed as we speak.

Darth Robin said:
And the colors look different too. Look at this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-qx5aIXfng

‘My moonization’ does not correctly map the colours from HDR->SDR so his comparisons are essentially worthless. The movie will not look like that on any actual display.

NeverarGreat said:
You’d have to cut Maz’s line where she says the saber belonged to Luke and his father before him. It would also feel weird to have Kylo say that the lightsaber belongs to him, since it would be Luke’s personal saber and not the one passed down from Anakin (whom Kylo worships).

I wouldn’t have really had an issue with the saber being Luke’s green one from the beginning, but as it stands the blue saber is baked into the ST pretty effectively.

Yeah, Kylo would be an issue. Does he even actually acknowledge it as Anakin’s saber, though? It’s obviously implied that’s why he wants it, but now I think of it, there’s no particular reason why he would have ever seen that saber before. It was lost since before he was even born. I guess he recognised it from holotapes of Anakin, or Luke told him “Obi-Wan gave me this blue lightsaber that looked like a Graflex flashgun… (but he never did explain when exactly my dad told him to give it to me - before or after he got barbecued?)”. Plus, ‘Vader’ only used that saber for a few hours, whereas ‘Anakin’ and Luke used it for years, so it’s barely even a Vader artefact, really. Still though, you’re right that it would seem odd for him to claim ownership of Luke’s green saber.

You could still potentially have Luke’s green saber in TROS - the blue one did explode - though of course there’d be no way to explain how Rey got it, and it would also undermine the moment where Ben finally gets a good guy saber if it wasn’t the same one he had tried to force pull in TFA.

Other than the actual VFX challenge of changing the hilt, is there any reason why Anakin’s saber couldn’t be replaced by Luke’s green saber for the entire ST? This TLJ concept art shows it. It would clear up a few things in TLJ: we’d clearly see Luke reject HIS saber, rather than just rejecting the saber his Dad killed all those kids with (which would be understandable even if he wasn’t so disillusioned!); and it’d make his attempt to force project himself to Kylo as Kylo would remember him be more accurate (Kylo would never have seen him with the blue saber before). There’s no explanation for how the blue saber wound up in Maz’s basement anyway so that doesn’t matter. It’d make the two sabers which defeat Palpatine in TROS be the same two we see in the flashback, more cleanly representing Luke and Leia. Ditto at the end - the lightsabers directly correspond to the two ghosts we see, and there’s no room for “I don’t like sand” jokes to undermine the moment.

Plus green is my favourite saber colour.

ChainsawAsh said:

“[Leia’s] brother’s saber.”

I don’t remember off the top of my head how many times this is brought up in the film, but would it be feasible to adjust the mentions of the saber to occasionally be “your father’s saber” or similar? Even taking just the OT into account, Luke had that blue saber for what, three years ANH-ESB, before using the green one for the entire rest of his life as a Jedi Master pre-exile? And then of course if you consider TCW and ROTS as well, that saber also prominently becomes the one Anakin used throughout the Clone Wars, and with which he killed most of the Jedi Order. It just seems to me like another instance of the ST looking towards what’s iconic about Star Wars as a real world cultural phenomenon (Rey Skywalker!), rather than considering what’s transpired in universe.

Is this useful? You could run it at 200% speed if it’s too slow.

I’m guessing there’s a dodgy HDR->SDR conversion going on there causing those odd colours? I hope we one day get a good, grainy transfer of TPM with decent colours.

I think the general issue with the execution of Ben’s sacrifice is that it’s not entirely clear to a) the audience or b) Rey that Ben is actually, for real, going to die. Obviously by the movie’s internal force healing logical he has to, but after three fakeout deaths already (Chewie, C3P0, Rey) the audience is primed to expect this to be some sort of Force Dyad Ex Machina.
The music is tragic at first while he heals Rey, but then it becomes triumphant, and happy, and they kiss, and - oh, he dies anyway. There was just a bit of lag before the force claimed its life debt. Yes, I get that it’s intentionally playing with the audience’s emotions, but it just takes what could have been a triumphant moment of redemption (with the audience cheering Ben on to finally realise Anakin’s ambition to save others from death, but in a non-possessive, light side way) and turns into into a weird, empty guessing game.
Rey certainly didn’t expect him to die, and Daisy Ridley did a great job of making sure we can pin point the exact moment her heart rips in half, especially in eight times slowmo.

In this bit of the movie, it could be possible to dub in a Threepio line from TCW or other material which implies he now remembers the prequels as well. He talks for quite a while, and as long as he still mentions ‘Mistress Rey’ somehow it would be clear he remembers everything now and hasn’t regressed. More radically, you could perhaps find a way to move this scene later in the film, or even mask out the whole background or something, and use it for a ‘R2 and C3PO telling the story of Star Wars’ moment or something similar.

So this is actually the High Republic, a collection of books and comics set in a new era 200 years before the prequels, with yellow Jedi robes and more lightsaber colours.

Nice cutlist, if it can be done.

I’d leave the kiss in. It only feels weird because we’re aware that JJ and co tried to make a huge deal out of this absolute bare minimum level of representation - as a moment in the film divorced from that it’s not intrusive at all (far less so than Chewie’s medal!).

No deleted scenes for the OT or PT?

I also wouldn’t mind a PM, if possible, if anyone with the capture/recreation is reading this necroed thread.

FreezingTNT2 said:

Another very disappointing idea: Rey not being either a Skywalker or a Solo (with Skywalker blood). Seriously, why have the first six movies in the Skywalker saga be focused on the Skywalker family, then have the last three movies in the entire Skywalker saga be about a nobody who is the granddaughter of Darth Sidious and has no biological connection to the Skywalker family whatsoever?

They’re partly about Ben Solo, who is Anakin’s grandson, Leia’s son, Han’s son, and Luke’s nephew. Why do so much of AOTC and ROTS follow Obi Wan, who’s not a Skywalker? Why does the OT spend so much time on Han’s debt to Jabba?

Star Wars plays with which heroes and villains are Skywalkers or not - Skywalker as a hero for two movies, then Skywalker crosses into the dark side, then two movies with two good and one bad Skywalkers, and a third movie where the bad Skywalker crosses back over, then two movies with a bad Skywalker (and two good ones but they’re old and not the main focus), then he crosses back over.

Can’t wait to watch this (and steal all your ideas for my own edit, ofc). You always find new things to do with this movie! What sort of delivery quality are you aiming for? 30gb/5.1 or more like 5gb/Stereo?

Edit: I like the idea but the conversation between Anakin and Padme about the lightsaber comes across as incoherent to me in its current form (“how old were you when -” “not if they feel threatened”), and I think Hayden is doing some kind of accent, isn’t he? The “yeah why not” does work for me though.

Anakin Starkiller said:

AOTC and ROTS still have unreleased deleted scenes (scripted and filmed, and included in the comic and novelisation) 15 years later.

Please tell me all about them.

I’m probably forgetting a few but from ROTS there’s a scene of Obi Wan and Padme meeting (the one Anakin refers to in the final cut), a cut comedic moment where Threepio carries unconscious Padme to the ship, lots of cut little extra lines or bits of lines, a cut scene where Yoda hides from clones, some extra bits of Anakin killing separatists like Wat Tambor, and of course all the pre reshoots Anakin stuff where he watches Mace and Palpatine. Most of this can be found in the script you can find online, in the comic adaptation, and in various BTS shots, all of which I can dig up for you some other time if you can’t find them on Google. From AOTC there’s a scene of Yoda and Mace talking in a hallway, a different scene of Anakin and Padme arriving at the Villa by boat (at the other dock), Mace’s original office with a desk, and some other things not presently located at the top of my head.

Edit: This site has all the info. Go back a few pages for prequels.