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#1324160
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Unusual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Maybe some will be 3D exclusive, some online only, some Disney Plus exclusive, a few saved for the 2027 50th Anniversary 8k boxset… And we’ll never see some of them. AOTC and ROTS still have unreleased deleted scenes (scripted and filmed, and included in the comic and novelisation) 15 years later. We didn’t see that scene with Luke building his saber from ROTJ for what, 27 years or something? The Lucasfilm archives must house many unique artefacts. Perhaps we’ll see a few more when Lucas opens his museum.

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#1323897
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Life comes first Hal! You’ve already produced your own versions of every other movie in the Skywalker Saga (and updated them many times). I imagine we’ll be seeing quite a few fanedits of this movie emerging in the coming months and years, of varying levels of quality, so if you do ever decide to return to this movie it’s probably wisest to leave it a good while for the dust to settle anyway so there’ll be plenty of ideas out there to build upon. There’s no rush - it’s Star Wars, it’ll still be relevant in another thirty years.

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#1323669
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The Last Jedi: Rekindled (Released)
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He doesn’t exactly try to kill Ben. Kylo’s version of the flashback with Luke’s crazy face and swing at Ben is implied to be untrue, like Luke’s original telling of the story - both are exaggerating to make Rey more sympathetic to them - but Luke’s second telling seems to be the truth. He pulls his saber out in a moment of shameful fear and weakness (he is, after all, a Jedi, and pulling their saber out is usually a reasonable thing to do instinctively when they sense a threat) and then, while staring at it in shock, is forced to use it to block Ben’s incoming strike. It shows progression from ROTJ, in which Vader’s threat against Leia prompts Luke to angrily fight Vader across the room and chop his hand off. He’s gotten better at controlling that instinct to lash out, and catches himself much sooner, but the tragedy is that it still wasn’t good enough, and he’s forced to live with the shame of knowing that (until he learns to forgive himself in the movie).

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#1323169
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<strong>Despecialized Editions</strong> by Harmy : Index of 'How-To's &amp; Help' Threads | Index of 'General Despecialized Threads' | ‘Where are they? And how do I get them?’ mega-merge thread...
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I’d recommend you look into 4K77 and 4K83 for Star Wars and Jedi respectively. I hope it’s alright to mention that the Star Wars Trilogy Forums would be a good place to seek additional information about them. Empire Revisited might be a consideration for ESB - it’s in 720p, like Despecialised, and it does retain some of the Special Edition changes, so if you’re looking for an absolute purist approach it won’t be suitable, but it’s an extremely polished version of Empire with many fixes, extra attention to detail, and some stunning new shots, especially on Bespin (there’s no 4K80 yet, though there is the older Dreamastered project).

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#1321653
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Revenge of the Sith (The New Canon Cut) [ON HOLD INDEFINITELY]
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Love the changelist. Moving Kashyyyk earlier is a fun idea and it does make ‘the droid attack on the Wookiees’ less left field. It’s a shame there’s so little appropriate material in the Anakin vs. Obi-Wan pre-fight conversation that you have to resort to videogame lines. I wonder if Lucas filmed anything else or if he always had their whole argument mostly focused on politics. This script (I don’t know if it’s legit) has some fun extra dialogue during their fight:

ANAKIN: Don’t make me destroy you, Master. You’re no match for the dark side.
OBI-WAN: I’ve heard that before, Anakin . . . but I never thought I’d hear it from you.

It’s not great, is it?

OBI-WAN: (continuing) The flaw of power is arrogance.
ANAKIN: You hesitate . . . the flaw of compassion.

OBI-WAN: I have failed you, Anakin. I was never able to teach you to think.
ANAKIN: I should have known the Jedi were plotting to take over . . .
OBI-WAN: From the Sith!!! Anakin, Chancellor Palpatine is evil.
ANAKIN: From the Jedi point of view! From my point of view, the Jedi are evil.
OBI-WAN: Well, then you are lost!
ANAKIN: This is the end for you, My Master. I wish it were otherwise.

But the only lines before the fight are these, which I’m glad were cut:

ANAKIN: Is Obi-Wan going to protect you? He can’t … he can’t help you. He’s not strong enough.

and

ANAKIN: What have you and she been up to?

Sometimes I consider attempting to find a really good voice actor who can do a good Hayden impersonation…

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#1321257
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Revenge of the Sith (The New Canon Cut) [ON HOLD INDEFINITELY]
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Your previous New Canon Cut was so full of great ideas, I can’t wait to see what you’ve done this time.

Edit:
I checked out your clip. I love your idea to have Padme admit she willingly brought Obi Wan to kill Anakin; that line works really well in its new context. As well as giving Padme some agency back, I think it’s just the thing to really tie back in the earlier (semi deleted) plot thread about Palpatine convincing Anakin that Padme is hiding things from him, and it makes Anakin’s reaction to Kenobi’s arrival seem more believable. It’s hard to buy Anakin as legitimately feeling betrayed in the original film (unless you justify it as the dark side messing with his head) which to me has always made his anger seem more amusing, like that of a confused child, rather than intimidating, but this goes some way to fixing that.

Your dialogue tweaks are as innovative as ever (though my overfamiliarity with this scene/movie causes my brain to finish off lines you’ve cut short) and though the added lines will never be seamless, I enjoy how you’ve used them.

I personally hate the “my new powers” line because every time I hear it I just imagine him unlocking all the dark side force powers on the KOTOR level up screen or something (and though I enjoy the idea of moving lines like 'I want more…" around, placing it there compounds my amusing mental image and causes me to imagine he’s complaining about how he wants to unlock more force powers but can’t because already used all the levelups he earned from the temple massacre and the separatists). A little clip of the audio to “my new power” might be a nice idea, but maybe it’s just me who gets hung up on that line.

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#1321178
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<em>Star Wars: The Clone Wars</em> To Return With New Episodes
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ZkinandBonez said:

Star Wars: The Clone Wars | Official Trailer | Disney+
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLW2jkd6E7g

The animation quality is phenomenal. For me, TCW is second only to the OT, so it’s fantastic to see it get the high quality sendoff it deserves (especially after the somewhat lower quality sendoff for the ST we received recently…). The scenes with dialogue lifted directly from ROTS; and Padme’s obvious pregnancy/Mustafar outfit in her holoskype with Anakin, seem to suggest that we’ll be seeing new events set during ROTS this season. It was already known that we’d see Order 66 from the perspective of Ahsoka and Rex on Mandalore, but this gives me hope that Filoni will be fleshing out/slightly retconning Anakin/Obi Wan/Padme/The Jedi Order’s ROTS plots as well. I’d love to see a little more of Order 66 and the Attack on the Jedi Temple - since TCW brought Jedi Temple Guards into the canon; I think it would be a real missed opportunity for us to not see the newly christened Darth Vader taking a few of them down as he leads the 501st into the Temple. Hoping for a 10-minute fully mo-capped scene of Anakin slaughtering all those kids; it’s what Disney+ needs.

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#1320391
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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I mean, you could cut the dialogue about healing requiring you to give away a bit of your own life, but that would make it amusingly overpowered. It would remove questions about how many years of life expectancy Rey gave away to heal that worm and Kylo’s fatal stab wound though. My preferred option is to keep Ben’s sacrifice - it is essentially his main redemptive act, and I think his selfless attempt to save someone from death does (for all the faults of the rest of the movie) act as a satisfying contrast to Anakin’s selfish attempt in ROTS - but then have him Force Ghost Ex Machina’d back into the living world. I just don’t think the movie places enough weight on Ben’s death to be able to not make it feel skipped over and overlooked; so he has to survive to keep the ending satisfying. I rewatched Fellowship of the Ring EE yesterday and I was struck by how much more effectively the death scenes in that movie are handled.

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#1319669
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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Is it possible to imply Leia has been in poor health since her spacewalk in TLJ? Add coughing in both movies, maybe dub in a line of some Resistance member with their back to the camera suggesting she will never fully recover, even put a single word in the crawl or something. Her death already comes out of nowhere but cutting the Maz scene (essential to do, I hate it) would make that even worse.

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#1317795
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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You could certainly create an effect like that manually using the usual face morph software and techniques on each individual frame but it might start becoming a little tedious if there was no way to automate it. You could also just composite the fake at a lower opacity but obviously that just leaves you with two half transparent faces in the same place unless they were very similar to begin with. And yeah, it takes me about a week to train one up to a decent quality, and that’s assuming there’s plenty of source material of the new face to feed in, which probably isn’t the case for young Shaw since he was ROTS Anakin’s age in about 1930.

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#1317687
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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I have some experience with creating Deepfakes and would be able to give this a shot if someone had a good idea. I’ve been experimenting with deepfaking the real faces onto the Battlefront 2 models to potentially animate entirely new ghostly elements to be composited in… Bare in mind the technology does not work well for closeups since even the most powerful GPUs currently available struggle to render the faces at above 256x256 resolution and rely on some kind of post-process superresolution to look better. Personally I painstakingly feed frames into the facial upscaling app Remini 30 at a time. It holds up sometimes, at certain angles and expressions, for a fairly distant face. Getting the eyes to look in the desired directions is always a struggle.

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#1316627
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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The Visual Dictionary refers ad nauseum to the ‘Sith Eternal’ as the faction who are the bad guys in this movie and who man the Final Order’s star destroyers. Did I miss it or is there no actual mention of the Sith Eternal in the movie? Were they all the people watching Rey and Palpatine? Exegol felt like an old abandoned tomb or something but apparently loads of fairly regular humans lived there, living and dying and having kids all just to one day man Palpatine’s Star Destroyers. Might be nice to put that Sith symbol in earlier films or in any way whatsoever indicate there is an entire planet’s worth of people loyal to the Sith besides the two Darths.

EDIT: Lando’s message is in Star Tours. None of this footage ever comes out in fanedit quality does it?

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#1316316
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Unusual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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I know broom boy is a great scene for concluding Luke’s arc in TLJ, but I think I like it more as a hopeful ending to Star Wars as a whole than Rey Skywalker and the four hundredth binary sunset. Would moving it to TROS work? It’d have to feel like a kind of callback like the victory celebration in ROTJ, or the planets we see in this movie, or all the call-forwards in ROTS, rather than just obviously being out of place. It’d make TLJ feel a little less complete and self-contained, which is bad for that movie, but perhaps good for the trilogy since it’d carry momentum forwards better. It could be worth editing around the explicit mention of Luke Skywalker/the toys obviously laying out the Battle of Crait/the Rebellion ring to make the scene more generally applicable to the legacy of all our heroes.

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#1315982
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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There’s a lot of noise on Twitter about how the Sequel Trilogy basically tells the story of Han and Leia failing their manipulated son and then replacing him with Rey, who he gives his life to save. This is especially sad when you take into account the auxiliary materials which delve into Ben’s arguably neglectful childhood and how he never actually killed anyone at the Temple. I can understand why movie-only fans would have little sympathy for Ben, since there’s no indication whatsoever in the movies themselves that he didn’t actually kill all of Luke’s other Padawans, etc. but there’s whole bits in books about him being attacked by nurse droids, and being unable to sleep as a baby because of the nightmares Palpatine inflicted upon him, and so on. I don’t know if this was individual authors trying to make him a more sympathetic character or if it was a deliberate story group effort or what, but it’s there and it’s canon.

Han and Leia failing their son is hardly focused on as a plot point or character development or anything, it’s just kind of an awkward background thing. And there’s lots of little things which compound the sense that he was completely given up on by everyone except Rey. The Jedi never communicate with Ben. Han speaking to him occurs entirely within his own head. TROS does have Leia reaching out to him, but because it’s assembled with unused footage/audio, you don’t really get much of a sense of Leia’s intentions or emotional state in those moments. I’ve seen people read it as Leia deliberately distracting Ben so Rey can stab him (!), which I don’t imagine is what JJ and Terrio intended but is still kind of what happens.

He doesn’t get a funeral or anything, and the next time we see his family they are smiling at their adopted daughter, Rey Skywalker (only alive because of Ben, of course). We don’t even get a shot of Rey crying for him - this is the same Rey who cries for a very-much-alive Finn in TFA and also all the time in TLJ. Imagine if ROTJ didn’t have Luke’s emotional final conversation with his father, or the funeral pyre scene, or Anakin’s ghost. It would feel far hollower. And Vader was magnitudes more evil than Kylo, for a much longer time, and wasn’t sympathetic whatsoever in the OT until Luke suddenly mentions the ‘good in him’ when he visits Dagobah in ROTJ.

Basically I’m asking: what can we do to help lessen the sense of no one caring about Ben? Having him survive solves a lot of these problems since there’s no need for anyone to mourn and the happy ending scene can feel less uncomfortable. It’s a bigger deviation from canon than I usually like to have in the edits I watch though. If I had made the film, I’d’ve had him perform his self-sacrifice since it rhymes with Anakin’s attempts to save Padme, but then have him be revived by Leia and the other force ghosts. We can’t do that easily though since there’s no footage of him getting back up so it’d be awkward to cut around and imply.

I thought about having the force ghosts speak to him. Luke and Leia obviously have “Ben” lines; SLJ, Liam Neeson and Ewan McGregor have large enough filmographies that we can probably dig up a fitting ‘Ben’ somewhere (for Obi Wan, JAT almost definitely says it in TCW if all else fails). My main concern with this is that it’s a rehash of the scene we just saw with Rey being spoken to by force ghosts, but I suppose it makes sense they’d still be paying attention haha.

Any other ideas for making TROS slightly more sympathetic to Ben? Or am I off my rocker for wanting a more hopeful and emotionally satisfying ending for the guy who killed Han Solo and Lor San Tekka and a bunch of members of the Resistance? I suppose I find it difficult to really judge Ben as much more evil than our heroes - TROS shows us that Finn isn’t the only reluctant stormtrooper, and that actually there are lots because they’re all taken in as children and brainwashed, and yet Rey, Poe and Finn continue to shoot them in vast numbers without any sign of empathy, so I don’t judge Star Wars characters by real life morality.

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#1315707
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Unusual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Any chance we could add some Ben Solo dialogue to the film? Adam Driver’s done quite a few movies. I haven’t seen Marriage Story yet so I don’t know if he says anything appropriately sentimental in that film or if he just shouts, but there’s got to be something in one of his movies that we can dub over a reverse shot of Rey or something. I’ve never seen Girls either but I imagine he must have some kind of appropriate line in that series. Obviously he’ll have to remain silent during the approach to Exegol and the KoR fight since you can see his mouth (not that it would make much sense for him to talk to himself). I feel like the KoR should say SOMETHING - their leader has finally turned on them and apparently not one of them has anything to say about it - and thankfully they don’t have canon voices so we can have anyone we want dub them. The next few issues of the Rise of Kylo Ren ought to be out by March, so we’ll better understand their personalities and dynamic with Kylo.

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#1315698
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Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga 4k UHD -- 27 DISC Boxed Set -- 3/31/2020
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Either those bonus discs are going to be a real waste of storage space, or we’re getting a considerable amount of bonus content for the OT and PT that wasn’t on the complete Bluray set, which had just three bonus discs for the six films. The ST stuff will just be the same stuff that came with their recent Bluray releases, I imagine.

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#1315351
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Unusual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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FreezingTNT2 said:

sade1212 said:

FreezingTNT2 said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwWrmSP65lM

I’ve seen it. Unfortunately it’s not quite well done enough to implement into the film itself since it’s clear that the saber is composed of still images tracked over the original. I’m not entirely sure how I’d hope to improve on that with my own mediocre skills, however.

Why not put a CGI version of Luke’s saber hilt onto Anakin’s saber?

Well yeah, that’s the idea, but VFX is hard and I have very little experience with it. My AE skills go exactly this far. There’s a 3D model of the saber in Battlefront, and it wouldn’t be difficult to get it into Blender or something, but then the trick is making sure your virtual camera has the same focal length as the original shots, painstakingly animating the hilt in 3D space to match Anakin’s, and attempting to light the saber correctly. There’s a reason that ImmersionVFX went the route of just warping still images - much more straightforward and only marginally less convincing. You could get away with leaving Anakin’s hilt in some shots, since it’s known to show up when it shouldn’t anyway.

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#1315270
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Unusual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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FreezingTNT2 said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwWrmSP65lM

I’ve seen it. Unfortunately it’s not quite well done enough to implement into the film itself since it’s clear that the saber is composed of still images tracked over the original. I’m not entirely sure how I’d hope to improve on that with my own mediocre skills, however.