rpvee

Well on the one hand, not showing Obi-Wan get the saber might make one wonder how he got it in ANH.  But on the other hand, when, in ANH, we see Obi-Wan hand Luke the saber, and he ignites and it's blue, the audience would feel even more touched by the moment since it's almost like Obi-Wan passing on the good that was lost in Anakin, and it would be refreshing to see it again.

Hmmmmmmmm...

1. The shot of Anakin showing some conflict is too late, it's almost like he's conflicted about having to kill Nute Gunray.  Right after the compartment opens, there should be a close-up of the saber, and a shot of Anakin looking at it conflicted.

2. The blade across Palpatine's face makes no sense, the position is too weird.  Maybe just have the sound of the saber igniting.  After seeing Anakin's reaction to the saber the way it would be in suggestion 1, it'd be clear what's being heard.

bobgarcia74 said:

OK, sound FX not added yet, still needs alot of work. This is a possible explaination of how Anakin gets his saber. I say this because I had a few ideas of how to do this. Tossing this one up for thoughts.

This idea came after watching a video by Thecutter. In it he mentions palpatines weird hand movments as he sits down. Thinking the red glow would be removed from the saber tho.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=he6dIWn8zKA

That's amazing!  Just make Palpatine pressing the button more obvious, have a close-up of the saber, and then a shot of Anakin's face look conflicted.  It's too hard to tell what's going on at the moment.

Maybe you can even have it cracking slightly in the background as his face transforms?  And the audio of it cracking slowly, too?

That's amazing!!!  At first I wasn't sure if I liked the actual idea of Sidious transforming before the duel (I've always liked seeing the calm and reserved Palpatine we'd known for two and a half films letting loose), but this is AMAZING!

Also, perhaps as soon as Anakin runs in when Mace has Sidious cornered, Sidious' face can revert back to normal so Anakin doesn't see him as a Sith as much.  But as soon as Mace starts to piss Sidious off again ("You have lost"), the face could change back (especially if you're keeping the "No, no, you will die" line, which I've always liked as it's the moment, in the original version, when he lets out thousands of years of Sith frustration and hate in one line).

Thoughts?

DuTwan said:

Oh my god i hate photobucket atm, theres an image i wanna upload on here but cant grrr

Nevermind, ive using a different one lol.

Heres my thought on the dark fight scene.

Extremely quick design, took me few minutes to do to illustrate my point.

I think it should be even darker than that.  So all we see are the blades and maybe the barely-there hint of a face in the blade-light, but again, barely.  I think only seeing blades twirling in the dark, and the occasional stab glow, would be disorienting and confusing for the viewer, which is exactly how the Jedi would feel, until the lights come up and we realize that what we just saw and heard were the deaths of three freaking Jedi Masters.

Bingowings said:

Palpatine Killing Jedi in the dark.

Oh.  Thanks. :D

Bingowings said:

Great idea even if I can't help fighting the urge to rename Palpatine Darth Brenda Russell.

Which is a great idea?

This is EPIC!  Just have the lights flicker once or twice, then have them completely DOWN as soon as the saber ignites.  I still think the duel should be entirely in the dark until just Mace is left so that when they come back up, the audience can have a "holy crap" moment when they realize that Mace is on his own against a guy that somehow just took out three other Jedi in the dark.

bobgarcia74 said:

Need opinions on how this line change looks?

Sorry about leaving the squawks in, they will be removed for the final version, I promise 8)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmXZHzb6rQQ

Well you can definitely hear a difference in tone in his voice, but even more importantly, why would Sidious tell Cody to kill every single Jedi?  His main target would only be his Jedi General.

Loconut said:

" In the mean time, check out Adywan's brilliant edit of "A New Hope", subtitled "Revisited" just like this edit that is currently still in production."

 

 

HUH?! So what have I been watching all this time??

 

 

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Eh?

NewfieMom said:

Greetings all! I was just made aware of this fantastic fanedit and I was hoping someone would save my eyes from skimming almost 800 pages and kindly direct me to the full version.

 

Thanks in advance!

Give us the time machine first - this edit isn't due for completion until next year.  In the mean time, check out Adywan's brilliant edit of "A New Hope", subtitled "Revisited" just like this edit that is currently still in production.

adywan said:

Although there have been some interesting ideas i will be sticking with a hologram of Vader.

Aha!  A hologram of Vader.....

I also like the white, but the fact that EVERYTHING is white makes me like it a bit less than I'd like to - the Magnaguards, Grievous' cape - shouldn't those retain their original color?

TV's Frink said:

So let it go.

I have.

TV's Frink said:

rpvee said:

My ROTS-edit allegiance is with bobgarcia's.

It's not a competition ;-)

rpvee, why waste your time?  This edit is not for you (or me, for that matter), and there's nothing wrong with that.

I know it's not a competition, didn't mean for it to sound that way...

Anyways, I know there's nothing wrong with not liking an edit.  It's just that having Cutter pretty much say "Well look at this, the original film has bad cuts too, so mine are ok" is really annoying... it shouldn't be ok.  But whatever, I've stated my points.

Well, I worked out a whole video pointing things out and-what not, but upon proof-viewing it, half the video turned up dark for some reason and in the half that I did see, I noticed other errors I should've picked up on, such as Palpatine's face transforming for no reason.

I'm just going to say it: This edit is not very good.  I believe it even more after making that video.  If you want me to re-make it, I will.

My ROTS-edit allegiance is with bobgarcia's.

vaderios said:

rpvee said:

Maybe because I edit things myself, I'm seeing things more than others here, but I know there are other editors here, too, so I don't know...

Maybe if I could make a video pointing things out in this scene of yours like you've done, I could explain it better.

I d love to see your approach there :D

 

-Angel

I'd try it, if I had Cutter's permission.  Meanwhile, Frink's post is one big "AMEN".

I get what you're saying, as I previously stated.  And I know you're doing your best.  But just saying "Well the original has worse cuts!" does not make your cuts better.  Maybe because I edit things myself, I'm seeing things more than others here, but I know there are other editors here, too, so I don't know... maybe if I could make a video pointing things out in this scene of yours like you've done, I could explain it better.

It's hard to feel the "sense" of a movie when there are a lot of rough cuts.  Your slow-motion in that last video you just posted only shows it more.  For example, right before Mace kicks Palpatine, he is twirling his saber in his right hand.  In the next shot, it's suddenly not being twirled and is over in his left hand.  He kicks Palpatine, and in the next shot, Palpatine is already half-way across the air.  Rough?  Yes.

And regarding the cuts in the scene of Mace telling Anakin to stay, it's not a matter of it being a minor sequence, it's just an example of similar cuts in the videos you've posted so far.

Your ideas are great and very creative.  I applaud you for them.  It's just their execution that is rough and understandably difficult.

I can't wait for this, too!  Have you decided if you're going to keep the lights completely down in the Mace/Sidious duel until all the Jedi are dead, or are they going to be flickering throughout?

The Cutter said:

rpvee said:

Too many quick cuts (...) too much isn't seen (...)the execution is just not as good as it should be.

Too much isn't seen ? but it's so ugly !  what can we do ? 

There are "jumpy cut" in my part 3 but I think there is a good flow here.

 Maybe You are really too much used with the original cut. You did not take the time to "digest" the new rhythm. Of course everything go faster, I cut a lot of things, so inevitably you feel a lack...but I think you just focus on it, and not on the essential :

Sidious is no more a gay, the Jedi are no more stupid bitches, no more stupids dialogues and too long hesitations (etc...) and there is now intensity when Sidious unleashed the dark side.

I'm really interested to know what you think about the original sequence. if you find my work "weak", what words do you use to qualify the work of Lucas and his team on this ?

 There are so few good things in the original sequence that it was really a challenge. For you, my execution is weak...no problem, but what do you suggest ? keeping exactly the same ideas and the same content I selected, show me the way to a "strong execution" !

I worked so long on this sequence, I tried so many things... I can say, without pretension, that it will be hard to do a better cut. It's not a perfect cut of course...but it respects Star Wars,  it do not destroy everything...

First of all, as far as we know, Sidious was never "gay".  Don't use that word that way, and also words like "bitch" and what-not.  If you want your edit to be taken seriously, drop the high school vocabulary.

Now, obviously the original sequence is weak in many ways, mainly because of what you stated.  But your solution seems to be to simply cut out all of the bad parts and then moves scenes around between the cuts to try to make them flow.  But, for example, Mace tells Anakin to stay, and then literally in the next shot he's gone and taking off.  I know you said that it's an editing technique (your exact words being "in a cut, all the sequences do not systematically occur in real time"), but this kind of editing only works in certain ways.  For example, the quick cuts during the twenty-second Mace/Palpatine duel where they move all around the room - it works there because it is a fast and intense scene.  When it's a guy just leaving somewhere, it's fast and abrupt and it doesn't work or make any sense - the technique doesn't carry over in such a calm scene.

And then there are some cuts that really just do not work.  For example, Mace kicking Palpatine.  In one cut, Mace goes from one position to suddenly being able to kick Palpatine, and then a WAY to quick cut over to Anakin.

You really, I guess, just need to work on your sense of timing.  A lot of the cuts are just really, really rough.

I use Videora iPod Converter.  If you convert things in "Power Mode" it gives you tons of options.  I used it to convert the saga (the 1080p TV rips with the slightly higher pitch) and they look crystal clear.  Each took a good while to convert - I don't recall just how long, but far less than 48 hours.  Just get the previous version of the software, the current one has some audio issues.

I must say, the ideas are good, but the execution is weak.  Too many quick cuts, too much isn't seen, etc.  I get that you don't have much to work with, it's just... I don't know.  I want to like it, your sense of humor is great, the execution is just not as good as it should be.