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Emre1601 said:

rocknroll41 said:

New “scoops” coming from a credible source (but take this all with a grain of salt, of course):

It seems that the plan is to still release three new Star Wars films in 2025, 2026 and 2027. These will all apparently be announced at Celebration in April. The first will be Lindelof’s film, which will start shooting in the summer. The new lead will be a POC man. Doesn’t look like Daisy is coming back for this one.

FWIW, Lucasfilm currently has flags planted for December 2025 and December 2027, but not December 2026 (that spot is still reserved for Avatar 4). So if we really are getting a movie in 2026, I guess it’ll be around Thanksgiving time? Can’t really see them going back to a summer release after what happened with Solo.

Rogue Squadron could be one of the slots?

Maybe Taika Waititi’s film as well, or is that a bit early?

The source (Jeff Sneider) says the Taika and Feige films are pretty much dead. He also just clarified that the new lead will be a POC woman, not a man.

New “scoops” coming from a credible source (but take this all with a grain of salt, of course):

It seems that the plan is to still release three new Star Wars films in 2025, 2026 and 2027. These will all apparently be announced at Celebration in April. The first will be Lindelof’s film, which will start shooting in the summer. The new lead will be a POC man. Doesn’t look like Daisy is coming back for this one.

FWIW, Lucasfilm currently has flags planted for December 2025 and December 2027, but not December 2026 (that spot is still reserved for Avatar 4). So if we really are getting a movie in 2026, I guess it’ll be around Thanksgiving time? Can’t really see them going back to a summer release after what happened with Solo.

Servii said:

rocknroll41 said:

Servii said:

rocknroll41 said:

For anyone who cares, I have a new post up on my blog now that touches on this subject: http://henrynsilva.blogspot.com/2022/12/revisiting-my-empire-strikes-back-hot.html?m=1

Oh cool, you referenced my Tolkien comparison! I’m glad that was food for thought.

Ah, was that you? I remember reading it but couldn’t remember who said it. If you want me to edit the post to credit you then let me know!

It’s alright, you don’t have to.

Fair enough, then! But yeah, in any case, I thought you made a very good point with that comparison. It certainly helped me to look at ESB from a whole new angle, so thanks.

Servii said:

rocknroll41 said:

For anyone who cares, I have a new post up on my blog now that touches on this subject: http://henrynsilva.blogspot.com/2022/12/revisiting-my-empire-strikes-back-hot.html?m=1

Oh cool, you referenced my Tolkien comparison! I’m glad that was food for thought.

Ah, was that you? I remember reading it but couldn’t remember who said it. If you want me to edit the post to credit you then let me know!

For anyone who cares, I have a new post up on my blog now that touches on this subject: http://henrynsilva.blogspot.com/2022/12/revisiting-my-empire-strikes-back-hot.html?m=1

Apparently in the Ahsoka show we will see a glimpse of an alternate timeline where she never left the Jedi order and she’s the one fighting Anakin on mustafar instead of obiwan.

Humby said:

rocknroll41 said:

So with the leaks that Ashoka and Skeleton Crew take place in what might be a new galaxy with more “magical” force-users, etc… What do we think this means for the film side of things?

The rumor claims that force users in this new space are more like magic wielders, and that we may have seen some of their species before. I think the original source frames ‘magic’ as a red herring, hinting at the night sisters, but I think it would actually make sense that this is where Yoda’s species comes from, and ultimately ties back into Mando returning Grogu to his (literal) kind later down the line.

Good thinking! I remember wanting that to be the case initially anyways. Also I remember hearing that Lucas himself helped Filoni and co. come up with a name for Yoda’s species.

So with the leaks that Ashoka and Skeleton Crew take place in what might be a new galaxy with more “magical” force-users, etc… What do we think this means for the film side of things?

Rian says he’s open to doing a Star Wars show instead of a movie trilogy now:

https://screenrant.com/rian-johnson-star-wars-movie-trilogy-update-hope/

Apparently now a credible source is saying that there will be new movies in 2025, 2026 and 2027.

So it sounds like they’re going back to annual releases. Wonder what that means for avatar 4&5.

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/z1zhct/jeff_sneider_says_a_lot_of_things_are_coming_on/

Now that Bob Iger is the CEO of Disney again maybe they’ll start moving faster on the movie side (for better or worse).

Omni said:

The released cut of Rogue One is already Tony Gilroy’s re-edit.

Also, as much as I’m loving the show - and I am, very much - I think it’s a far cry away from Star Wars and Empire. Apples and oranges obviously (comparing movies and TV is always hard, especially when Andor does something so different than really any of the movies) but just because something is more “mature”, “serious” and “dark” doesn’t mean it’s better by default. Andor is excellently written, directed, shot, yes. But so is Star Wars. In fact it’s more than that, it might be the best one ever, or amongst them, and it’s widely regarded as that. Again, Andor is really, really excellent TV, but I think it’s very unfair to say this is the best Star Wars-related media in any genre when we have two of the best films ever made in our ranks.

Without a doubt it’s really refreshing and great to see a new take on this universe that’s executed this well, which is where the apples and oranges bit comes in, but overall I still prefer the escapism, simplicity, vibe and mood that the OT goes for. I understand the appeal of this, especially in the late prestige TV era that we’re in, but I’m definitely still in the SW/TESB camp, and I felt like briefly defending them here.

These are pretty much my thoughts as well.

Knight of Kalee said:

Are there any news regarding the Lando series?

No, sadly.

RogueLeader said:

And it comes out tomorrow! Doesn’t seem like it will be a big thing, “Grogu and the Dust Bunnies”. A cute little short. But maybe we will see more if there is a lot of positivity around it.
Also, rocknroll, do you know how many of these projects have been officially confirmed by Lucasfilm and how many are reports? I feel like it is a running gag at this point about how Lucasfilm announces a project only for it to go nowhere, but I am curious how many of those are just insider reporting. I mean, it isn’t unusual for filmmakers to work on projects with studios only for them to never get off the ground, but regardless it seems like there are a high number of them coming out of Lucasfilm.

These are the only ones Lucasfilm announced directly:

Rian Johnson’s trilogy
Kevin Feige’s movie that Michael Waldron is writing
Taika Waititi’s movie (rumored to be a loose Dawn of the Jedi adaptation)
Rogue Squadron (originally for 2023 but now delayed indefinitely like everything else)

Turns out the ghibli project is just a short film.

RogueLeader said:

Dude I read this and was like, “WHAT?! A Ghibli collab?!?” That was new to me, but just realized that this is a new announcement.

Yes, and the Star Wars official Twitter apparently retweeted Ghibli’s post, so we can move that one to the top category on my list now.

So for those keeping track, here’s where we’re at:

CONFIRMED BY LUCASFILM
Rian Johnson’s trilogy
Kevin Feige’s movie that Michael Waldron is writing
Taika Waititi’s movie (rumored to be a loose Dawn of the Jedi adaptation)
Rogue Squadron (originally for 2023 but now delayed indefinitely like everything else)

CONFIRMED BY CREATORS
Shawn Levy’s movie (may be the same as Feige’s)
Studio Ghibli collaboration (may not be a movie)

REPORTED ON
The Knights of the Old Republic movie
Damon Lindeloff’s movie set short after Rise Of Skywalker

OFFICIALLY CANCELED
The Benioff&Weiss series
JD Dillard’s movie

I really enjoyed this way more than I expected to! Hopefully we get more!

I’m liking this a lot more than I expected to, and I usually prefer “childish/ cheesy” Star Wars.

Simpler, happier times…

of_Kaiburr_and_Whills said:

SparkySywer said:

StarkillerAG said:

SparkySywer said:

Darth Malgus said:

I think it might be simpler to just do it the way the Star Trek EU does and let people choose to integrate or not integrate whichever canon they want.

Well, no. Unlike most of you, I’m a person who actually cares about continuity. I would like Star Wars to be a multimedia project, a single universe made up of multiple media that’s basically consistent with itself and between the various stories, as much as possible. I’m absolutely in favour of the existence of and official continuity, I think it’s necessary. This doesn’t prevent the individual fans to create their own personal Canon, and in fact I am the first to do so. But I think the existence of a stable and consistent official continuity is important.

Why

Why not? Canon isn’t the biggest deal ever, but it’s nice to have everything in a fictional universe be roughly consistent with each other. That way, you get to avoid the confusion that comes with insanely tangled multiverse timelines, and every installment feels like it “matters” in the grand scheme of things.

I guess I just don’t see the value in that. I don’t think either Star Wars EU does anything especially interesting with the overarching history of the galaxy so I don’t think we’d lose much by moving away from an overarching continuity. It feels like more of a novelty that pretty wildly different stories have continuity between each other.

I’m not big on the idea of all these interconnected stories myself. I think a better approach is to let different creators do different types of stories however they want to. If they want to form a continuity, the only rule should be no contradicting other stories. I think at its inception, Lucasfilm marketing wanted the EU to work like this, but what ended up happening was authors started trying to interweave everything. Miss this one book that came out three years ago? Well looks like you’re not going to understand what this is all about then.

Its also one of my least favorite parts about comic books. Miss a story or read one you didn’t like? Too bad, here it is in another series and you have to deal with it here now! This is a very niche thing but still, I personally hate not having a full story like that. This is going to seem bizarre to some but I did not like the famous Thrawn trilogy. I do however, somewhat enjoy Jedi Academy. It isn’t a big deal, but it is annoying to see Thrawn and Dark Empire Palpatine brought up in Jedi Academy, a trilogy that I think should be its entirely own story.

Just my opinions of course.

I completely agree (including the part about the Thrawn trilogy being overrated).

If you say one bad thing about ESB on places like Reddit and TFN or one good thing about the ST you get ripped to pieces. Threads like this one here are a breath of fresh air, in that regard.

When it comes to Star Wars, sometimes I feel like this is the only sane place on the internet.

BedeHistory731 said:

Maybe we’d have been better off if Lucas just made “The Star Wars” into a novel series. Who knows, maybe it would’ve been adapted into a set of movies?

Maybe. Sometimes I consider the sw77 novelization (The Adventures of Luke Skywalker), Splinter of the Mind’s Eye and the three Han Solo Adventures books to be “true” Star Wars.

of_Kaiburr_and_Whills said:

That’s an entirely valid way to look at it and one I’ll probably circle back to at one point. I completely see how ESB and ROTJ add to the world of SW, but it’s not worth it to me.

Right now, I’m just so burned out on franchise filmmaking that I relish in the idea of standalones. Leaving on a high note > overstaying your welcome. Some people see ROTJ or ROTS as that high note, I see Star Wars as that high note in this moment. One excellent movie and that’s it. ESB isn’t a Highlander II or Jurassic Park II: The Lost World, but it’s decisions led to far worse things to come for the franchise.

In recent times I’ve come to feel the same way about films, I really don’t like these drawn out series. That’s why I’m not the biggest fan of TV show formats. And while they are still franchise movies, I’m excited by the prospect of these new standalone Star Wars films. That way I can take them or leave them when there’s one I don’t like, and it’s not dependent on other films. For example, I wasn’t that big a fan of Rogue One, but absolutely LOVE Solo!

For the Original Trilogy, I view it more as a standalone film that happened to get two sequels. I think I already said it on this thread, but each of the films feel so distinct, you can tell they weren’t all planned together and all three seek to accomplish different things.

Now, I grew up with the prequels, but I find myself hardly ever watching them because they, way more that the OT, demand to be followed upon. I’m not sure the best way to put it, so I hope that makes sense. Its one reason I think I love the Indiana Jones movies so much. All four are all pretty self contained, and are their own story with shared characters, not trying to tell an elaborate overarching epic. I wish more film series were like this.

Agreed. A lot of film franchises bite off way more than they can chew these days. Would be nice to see a return to more self-contained storytelling all around.

Servii said:

BedeHistory731 said:

rocknroll41 said:

Nice to see other people finally becoming sw77 purists like me!

That said, I was watching ESB just yesterday for the first time in awhile and I can at least appreciate how well it’s made from a technical standpoint.

As others here have said, it works very well on its own, but led to serious issues in the long run with the force, saber fights, familial themes, etc.

“Franchise original sin” really is a bitch, isn’t it?

You know, it’s a funny thing. Nearly every Star Wars fan I’ve met believes there was some “line” that Star Wars crossed at some point that marks when the franchise jumped the shark. But no one ever agrees on when that “line” was crossed. Was it 1980, 1983, 1997, 1999, 2015, 2017, etc.

You can add 2019 to that list now too…