rockin

NOOO!

Nah I can wait, it will be worth it. :p

Just throwing this idea out. What about working together? If you both share the same skills to do this type of work, you could make it considerably easier for yourselves helping each other. I know Harmy said he wanted to keep trying in terms of making each version of his closer to the original.

Two people on the job at the same time would be a great benefit to not just youselves, but your audience here. 8)

You know, if these came out with the 2004SE colours but fixed the lightsabers, then I would consider buying them. But if they come out with the same damn problem with vader wielding a damn pink lightsaber! then I'm out.

The thing that interests me most though if I'm honest, is the sound mix for each film in lossless audio and the potential benefits of using the blu-rays to further enhance fanedits.

Hmm, I actually may have said this already earlier in the thread.. Ah well, wouldn't surprise me....lol :S

Well it really depends whether the source bit rate is 192kbps or more. If it's only 192kbps then I think there would be little point using 384kbps as there just wouldn't be anymore audio information there to benefit from. If the source is considerably more than 192kbps, I vote a hell yes!

I am not an audio expert though. 8)

It's a nice idea but Harmy has done most of all of this in his edits and Adywan to some extent with his theatrical versions. Unless you are prepared to go all the way, and roto most things back more than these two, I don't see how it's going to be much different.

As for colour correction, you'd need to at the very least, either colour correct specific scenes with the lightsabers or roto replacements, as I'd imagine leaving this intact would infuriate most die hard fans of the OOT.

I am certainly interested in your project though. The more of these the better.

They indeed look amazing. Having such an amazing picture from the GOUT with that script, and so many sound options will nearly complete most people's collection I would think. This for me, makes up for the disappointment of the OOT not being on blu-ray.

8)

Screenshots look good. Not sure I can notice much with the tweaks other than it looks a little brighter in some parts - something like this will happen anyway with people's various screen setups - not sure if it's worth bothering with or not d_j. I am personally happy either way if I am totally honest though.

Also, the lightsabers look the best they have ever done when you compare other sources/versions.

The most interesting test will be how the lightsabers look at the end of ROTJ when luke and vader are fighting - vader's lightsaber always looked muted or pink in nearly all versions I have seen - was worse in 2004SE but still present in older versions.

I have to say, (and I really do love SW:R!) that I do prefer the colours also of the AVCHD version. To me, the Death Star interior looks closer to the original in the AVCHD than SW:R. It would be nice to see a best of both versions in the next version.

Well, I'd like to add that I am one of those that definitely prefers 1159.

Taking into account Luke's uniform, his hair and his skin, it looks quite balanced to me there. 1134 looks too red to me when looking at these details, especially also Han's hands look too tanned, whereas 1159 they look more normal.

Those screenshots of the tweaks look amazing. I almost completely forgot that the source was GOUT. 8)

Regarding the technicolour prints. I think there definitely is a real element of green in there when you look at other sources. For example, I dug out my SW Bonus DVD and looked at some of the trailers on there for comparison, and both the old and later on 1997 trailers have an element of green to them.

Old Star Wars trailer:

1997 Release trailer:

I wouldn't go by old film cells as absolute colour reference. Doesn't most film have to be colour corrected anyway?

You'd probably get a better comparison digging out the SW Bonus DVD from the trilogy boxset and looking at the old promotional teasers and trailers for each film.

I prefer your settings but that's me.

Bloody hell Harmy!! That ROTJ theatrical reconstruction .mkv is the best version of ROTJ I have seen in years. Everything seemed spot on! Your colour correcting, adding in the old effects and using hairy_hen's 5.1 mix really brought the whole thing to life.

I am so pleased you have done this. All the other versions I have watched that are available, just don't match it in terms of preserving the ROTJ theatrical cut - either because of picture and sound quality degrading due to being laserdisc/vhs versions or the crappy GOUT transfer. Thanks so much!

I haven't downloaded the ROTJ PDE one yet. If that is anything like what I've just seen with the ROTJ theatrical reconstruction then I am in for a treat!

Are you going to do a Star Wars one like the ROTJ theatrical reconstruction? If you are, then I think you should do your own colour correction for that based off the 2004 HDTV broadcasts as you seem to have a good eye for it and it would keep it seperate from Ady's work. Plus, working with the main HDTV source file, you will retain more picture quality, rather than working with Ady's AVCHD colour corrected version (no offence Ady!).

Well, I would definitely be for more saturated colours, but just not like the ones in that topic - they look a little too saturated. But yeah, a little tweak for colours would be cool for the V3 set. 8)

Also, don't make more work for yourself d_j if you really feel like you've had enough working on them.

Ha!

Very amusing indeed.

(Please don't give Lucas ideas.)

;p

Ric Olie said:

adywan said:

the scene where he gets the suit won't be seen in ROTS:R anyway.

Hang on a second.  How will we know who is in the suit?

I guess, that is part of the mystery that will set up vader for the OT. 8)

About the colours with the 1997 SE and the 2004 SE. Just been going through the ANH 1997 SE, and the colours actually seem a lot worse than I remember compared to the 2004 SE in quite a few parts.

I think I have been suffering from 1997 SE nostalgia too. I thought they were better.

2004 SE

1997 SE

Yeah, I think that could work with resolution 720x576 encoded at x264 and at 23.98fps. But then I am no expert.

For me personally, I will be going for the .mkv version as I would be playing it on my media player. 8)

Not trying to be an SE supporter (I grew up with the OOT too!) but here's the deal for me:

If it's true the trailer for the blu-ray is indeed just old stuff with the exception of Episode 1, thrown together before the transfers are finished, then I will still hold some optimism.

Ok, so there is no OOT. It's buried by GL. Fine. I hate that thought, but it's the choice he has made.

If they fix the colour problems, sabers, mattes, and sound for the OT SE blu-ray, then it certainly holds interest to me. I didn't mind the 1997 SE that much, I hated the Greedo change, Jabba CGI and most of the other unncessary changes, but it did improve in other areas. The 2004 SE was a joke I think we can all agree, and to me went backwards. If they can fix that, I'll happilly take it, and in mean time enjoy the true OOT restorations made from SW fans from all over. Furthermore, hopefully this new material will aid in our restorations significantly in giving us what we want OOT wise.

That's my hope anyway.

There is a ROTS VHS on ebay.co.uk but it could be fake or a wrong listing.

And I definitely remember seeing the OT 2004 SE VHS up for grabs from amazon.co.uk for a couple of years. It had different artwork on the sleeves from the DVD set.

The only thing I can think of, which might explain why Episode 1 looked different, would be that for trailer the saturation was higher. I mean, even some of the OT stuff looks a little more saturated than usual (but still less than the PT). The sabers in Episode 1 were quite subdued on the DVD transfer, but if all they did was increase the saturation for the trailer while still using all old transfer footage, it's possible it has made it seem like there is a new transfer for Episode 1 in the trailer. I did notice some pink in Darth Maul saber fight still, so who knows...

(Yes, I do know there is a new transfer Episode 1 confirmed by the ILM documentary, but it's possible it wasn't used here still.)

I guess the only way we will know is when they start showing clips or specialised trailers for each film for the blu-ray a la 1997 SE release.

Amazon uk have the complete saga up for £69.99 which isn't bad I guess, compared with other previous pre-order prices.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Star-Wars-Complete-Episodes-Blu-ray/dp/B004HYH94K/ref=amb_link_158923827_5?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=auto-sparkle&pf_rd_r=04VF3M39J18RBGDXJV1B&pf_rd_t=301&pf_rd_p=225403987&pf_rd_i=star%20wars%20blu-ray

adywan said:

doubleofive said:

 

rockin said:

TV's Frink said:

Fixing it would be admitting it was a mistake rather than a "creative choice."

Ain't gonna happen.

Yeah like the reversed surround sound in ANH, LOL.

THAT will be interesting to hear if its fixed. It's supposed to be a new sound mix, right?

 

yes, it was confirmed that ANH has had a new sound mix.

Well, at least that's something I guess.

TV's Frink said:

Fixing it would be admitting it was a mistake rather than a "creative choice."

Ain't gonna happen.

Yeah like the reversed surround sound in ANH, LOL.