rockin

dark_jedi said:

rockin said:

I thought the donators were already getting the laserdisc rip of the originals you provided a sample of earlier? So the 1997 SE broadcasts are now also exclusive to donators too?

I am only going to say this 1 more time, I am not 100% sure yet, my whole deal was the ESB IE project with ABC and the GOUT V3, nothing else was ever set in stone anyways, plus I am not an uploading machine LOL, and those waiting on Paradox, well I do not use those file sharing companies like RS, HF, etc. I do not have a premium account and I do not want AvPee uploading it either, I really do not care for that glory hound POS anyways, so if and when these are OK'd by my testers they will be most likely be @ a.b.starwars but if I do torrent them, they will be at spleen, so let's just get them out and tested first OK? this is ALOT of DVD's to upload, plus some want the PCM tracks I did, well all of them are a ton of GB's as well.

Thanks. That's all you needed to say - clarify what is actually happening lol, otherwise it causes confusion, as it has done.

I thought the donators were already getting the laserdisc rip of the originals you provided a sample of earlier? So the 1997 SE broadcasts are now also exclusive to donators too?

I'm surprised there hasn't been more comparisons with the old trailers from the SW Bonus DVD, I think it's interesting how vibrant some of the colours are from those:

I actually didn't mind in the SE the Falcon Blasting Its Way Out of Mos Eisley and the 1997 Jabba compared to the 2004 one. Also thought the new matte for the Yavin Temple was pretty good.

Poll should be interesting.

Cool website 005. Definitely bookmarking that for Revisited News.

Ah ok. Thanks Harmy.

Just a quick question; will hairy_hen's 5.1 mix work with this theatrical reconstruction?

I'd like to mux some more audio options that's all.

Thanks.

Seeing as we are mentioning the prequels I'll mention my favourite versions of those:

TPM: Ady' theatrical reconstruction. I hated the DVD new additions and colours and Ady's version takes me back to when I saw TPM at the cinema.

AOTC: IMAX version. There was a bootleg copy of the IMAX version circulating around the time AOTC was out which I consider to be the better version but unfortunately no longer have it. 8(

ROTS: I don't really have a favourite right now. I haven't watched it properly since I saw it at the cinema, and have been waiting for the ultimate edit of this movie, as I feel it had a lot of potential wasted. Currently patiently waiting on bobgarcia's "Reign of the Dark Side" fanedit.

Personally can't wait to see if people's lists change over this year with so many preservations,edits and then finally the blu-rays coming out. 8)

Just had a quick look through ESB Lee, and it once again looks fantastic. I haven't really watched it properly yet though, but for the most part seems excellent.

What surprises me is how similar the colours are to the 2004 SE in lots of parts where I thought it was actually different. Hoth is shocking more blue than I remembered, except for one or two parts. It's almost as if the 2004 is the exact same colour except with more saturation. The only thing that really stands out that is different (in terms of colour differences) is the lightsabers. Here in the 1997 SE the lightsabers are strong and vibrant whereas the 2004 SE they are much more muted. Quite interesting.

Lee, hope all goes well tomorrow. You will be looked after by the nurses and in good hands. 8) Wish you all the best.

I'll report back about ESB 97 SE once your upload is complete and I've downloaded it. Looking forward to it as I haven't seen this version in years!!

Thanks for ANH 97 SE Lee. I was very impressed with the video quality and the colours seemed great too.

I have one question to others who have downloaded it; did any of you find the audio was a little quiet? Maybe it's just my set-up (perhaps a setting has changed somewhere). But not really a problem since I just turned the volume up more.

I can't wait to see ESB 97 SE, because I haven't seen that one in a long, long time. I have a really bad vhs copy, which really isn't watchable anymore.

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

When suggesting that the colors in the 97 version were improvements over the original, remember that you're comparing 1997 video against older video versions.  There has never been a decent video transfer of the original FILM using today's video technology. To me, the 97 version isn't an improvement on the original, it is just a better quality copy of the original, with some unfortunate changes.  In fact, watching the 1997 version in the theater was the closest I ever saw to what I saw in 1977 in the theaters, because everything I saw between 1978 and 1996 had degraded.

The ideal version would be a modern high quality copy of the original film, which in my opinion would look better than every version out there today, including the 1997 SE and every fan version.

Well, of course. I have never seen a high quality original print to compare, so on that basis like you say, compared to the other lesser quality versions that currently exist of the originals, I do prefer the 1997SE colours, in one particular film, ROTJ.

Some interesting versions people have listed so far. What I think is most interesting, is the appreciation of the 1997 SE releases - they seem to be more tolerated than the 2004 SE and I can understand why. For example I liked the enhancements in ROTJ 97SE but could not stand the changes in 04SE version - it just went too far.

The Aluminum Falcon, I find what you say about the ROTJ SE interesting, especially about colour timing. I too thought the 2004 version was just horrible - way too saturated and the Vader vs Luke scenes too dark and muted. In the 1997 version I thought it looked improved over the original in places regarding colour timing.

I know lots of people here like their various different versions/releases of the Star Wars movies, so I thought it would interesting to hear which versions/release they prefer to watch of each film.

For example, here is my preferred choice:

ANH - Ady’s Revisited because I like the balance of good effects and improvements, but at the same time staying true to the spirit of Star Wars.

ESB - 1997 laserdisc. Surprisingly, and I don’t know exactly why, but I prefer the 1997 edition of ESB. It’s weird, but I didn’t mind the the changes in this, as much as other people - I found the 2004 changes more offending. I think the main reason for liking it was the new effects.

ROTJ - Ok, here I am a bit torn, as I really, really love my old VHS taped copy of the original version, but I also loved Moth3rs 16:9 laserdisc capture as well. But, I think my new most liked version is Harmy’s PDE, with Hairy_hen’s 5.1 mix - awesome!

This will all no doubt change over the course of this year though. We’ve got d_j’s GOUT V3 coming soon, LeeThorogood’s preservation set, and Ady’s ESB:R by the end of the year (I think). Plus there are the blu-rays… and whatever changes they may bring… ::shudders::

I would say the 97 SE ones, since there is hardly any ESB and ROTJ 97 SE to download, except for one very compressed avi copy.

LeeThorogood said:

 

link343 said:

lee, I thought this project was for the 97 special edition? Those screens look like the original version.

EDIT: read some of the past pages and got my answer. Could you post some screens from the Special Edition films? The Jabba scene from ANH would be nice.

If I get some time I will try and post these. ;)

rockin said:

Looks amazing.

Can I ask, have they been converted to true anamorphic widescreen Lee?

Hi Rockin,

What's your definition of 'true anamorphic widescreen'?

 

From the little info that I have read, aren't most laserdiscs which are said to be 'widescreen' are only letterboxed (like GOUT) and not truly anamorphic in the sense of filling the screen properly in 16:9? Correct me if I am wrong, but I have yet to see a laserdisc in true 16:9.

dark_jedi said:

LOL, he probably wants to know if you encoded them in 16:9?

Yes.

hairy_hen said:

The thing that interests me most though if I'm honest, is the sound mix for each film in lossless audio and the potential benefits of using the blu-rays to further enhance fanedits.

I'll grant that higher quality source material will certainly increase the potential of fan projects, but having the eff'd up 2004 ANH mix in lossless does no one any good at all.  A higher resolution copy of absolute garbage is still absolute garbage, and unlike the image problems there's just no fixing it--it's beyond any salvaging.

I'm not the biggest fan of the '97 SE mix, since it has many unnecessary changes and rather less power than the original 70mm version, but if that was my only option for hearing any version of the movie I'd take it and be glad.  It still sounds like Star Wars, unlike the '04 which isn't even remotely recognisable.  And whatever even-more-remixed nonsense the Bluray comes up with will probably be even worse.

Well, I agree the messed up sound mix will certainly NOT help - but what do we really know at this point about the sound mix? I can only hope, that they correct the issue with the 2004 mix - at least you'd think they would!

Higher resolution material is still higher resolution material. Working with something that is in higher quality will definitely help on lots of fronts - mainly the colour correcting which is hard to do with the broadcast versions without it causing artefacts due to the limited quality - you can only do so many layers of colour corrections and compressing before you see floaters and other strange artefacts on objects. I think overall it will be slightly easier to work with, but it won't be perfect.

Looks amazing.

Can I ask, have they been converted to true anamorphic widescreen Lee?

Ok cool. You had me worried for a sec there!

Please don't replace h_h with Ady's. Incorporate both if you can but don't remove h_h one - his mixes sound like sex. OK, maybe that's going a bit far.. :X

dark_jedi said:

So this is ALL the audio I have on my PC, I hope this is all that is out there, if not please let me know.

Star Wars

-PCM-
1977 Theatrical 2.0 Surround
1977 Theatrical Mono
1985 Home Video 2.0 Surround Remix
1993 Home Video 2.0 Surround Remix
-AC3-
1977 70mm Six-Track Reconstruction (Dolby Digital 5.1) @ 448kbps
1977 Theatrical 2.0 Surround @256kbps
1977 Theatrical Mono @ 128kbps
1985 Home Video 2.0 Surround Remix @ 256kbps
1993 Home Video 2.0 Surround Remix @ 256kbps

Empire Strikes Back

-PCM-
1980 Theatrical 2.0 Surround
1993 Home Video 2.0 Surround Remix
-AC3-
Alternate Dolby Digital 5.1 "version 1" Remix @ 448kbps
Alternate Dolby Digital 5.1 "version 2" Remix @ 448kbps
Alternate Dolby Digital 5.1 "PURIST" Remix @ 448kbps
1980 Theatrical 2.0 Surround @ 256kbps
1993 Home Video 2.0 Surround Remix @ 256kbps

Return of The Jedi

-PCM-
1983 Theatrical 2.0 Surround
1993 Home Video 2.0 Surround Remix
-AC3-
Alternate Dolby Digital 5.1 "version 1" Remix @ 448kbps
Alternate Dolby Digital 5.1 "version 2" Remix @ 448kbps
Alternate Dolby Digital 5.1 "PURIST" Remix @ 448kbps
1983 Theatrical 2.0 Surround @ 256kbps
1993 Home Video 2.0 Surround Remix @ 256kbps

LOL, all together, this is about 15GB's!

ffs! I am gonna be like:

"this one sounds good."

"err no wait this one."

"err no this one is better."

"no wait! definitely this one!"

Spoilt for choice!

It's amazing that you have done all that syncing though d_j, it really does boggle the mind o_O

8)

Wow! amazing work!

vbangle said:

Harmy said:

Well, yeah, that's the thing though, I for one am trying to fit it on a disc, so, the bitrate and the size aren't really the variable quantity here, it's the resulting video quality, because ideally, the final mkv file will be 4.37 GB (or maybe 2.18 to fit 2 films on a DVD5 or 2.6 to fit 3 films on one DVD9 but the file size should always be fixed) and if the resolution is higher, you'll get more compression artefacts at the same file size.

But I totally see your point, it's just that I don't take x264 mkv as a way to not need discs, it's a way to have better quality on the disc of the same size.

Don't take this bad but I think most people who watch x264 mkv files stream them from their computer or media tank and store them on a big ass hard drive or even a hard drive stack.... burning mkv to disc just isn't that common...at least from what I've seen...

Try looking at the multitude of mkv releases of movies on usenet, and while they are encodes of BD the releases are not concerned about final output size as far as trying to fit to a dvd9. UNLESS you are talking about AVCHD releases. AVCHD are meant to fit to a DVD9.

 

Yeah, I personally play my mkv files on my WDTV media player from my hard drive. But whichever d_j decides to do, mkv or not, the DVD ISO will be played through my media player just like his previous GOUT release, so either way I'm good - I don't bother putting anything to disc anymore. 8)

And... there was me thinking the last emperor clip was good. This one looks even better, and I don't even know what has changed! ;D

Gonna have to compare them now. ;x

That's awesome.

Are you going to be putting out your 1997 set at the same time once these are done?