rockin

I had a look my WOWOW copy recently, which I had for ages and completely forgot about. Not sure I prefer the whole look of it. It'd be nice if we could make a preservation that had some scenes with the WOWOW colour timing and others with the BD colour timing - a sort of selective process combined with the PCM laserdisc audio, dolby digital 5.1 audio and the new BD audio. Bit of a big task to undertake, so I can understand if anyone felt completely put off.

When I was growing up with the films ROTJ was my favourite Star Wars film. It isn't now, but back then as a child, I enjoyed it more because it was more appealing to me as a kid mainly because of the Ewoks, Jabba the hut, the epic space battle, luke vs vader. It had so many magic moments that were special to me, just like the magic moments from other films during my childhood, such as E.T, Superman, Willow, Raiders, Goonies etc.

Watching ROTJ now older, I don't enjoy quite as much, but I do appreciate it as a decent Star Wars film despite its flaws, and while it isn't my favourite Star Wars film now (that goes to ESB), I still rank it higher than any of the PT. And for best feel good Star Wars moments, it's the movie I go to to feel like a kid again, much the same as when I go to Raiders more than any of Indy film.

The Nerd said:

rockin said:

I wonder if this would have happened had they all been released in 3D...

Well, Episode II is going to be released in 3D this year, I believe. But they better not do this in the ROTJ 3D version!

I thought they all were cancelled ?

I am probably opening a can of worms by asking this but, why the hell do we people want to make ESB more like the prequels anyway?

The last thing Ady probably wants to do is rotoscope light reflections from blasters frame by frame, when he has so much other work to concentrate on. Like someone else said, it's a lot of work for very little gain.

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

Happy to know that someone is interested in this project... as nobody has posted any comment, I don't know if I 've done a decent job, or at the contrary a bad job...

Hope someone (who actually has downloaded and watched it) will post some feedback about this project, or about the OUT [ruLes] project, so I could know if I must continue with them, and release EP V and EP VI, or definitely stop here...

I will take a look when I have time. I've been keeping an eye on your project as well as several others!

ilovewaterslides said:

rockin said:

ilovewaterslides said:

rockin said:

Is the laserdisc still being preserved in this thread or just the audio now?

What's the point of preserving the LD? I mean, colorwise it's not the best source available since it's kinda pink/blue tinted compared to the DVD.

Well, to be honest i'm not sure which version is the closest to the original theatrical colors.

Sorry, I must have got confused. Earlier back in the thread you posted some samples of the laserdisc video and I wrongly assumed you were doing a capture of the whole laserdisc.

I have the other laserdisc release, and the colour is also not anywhere near as good as the DVD/HDTV/Blu-ray versions.

 

No problem, i just wanted to show how the colors look on my LD but a full capture of it would be worthless for the moment since it's a French edition and obviously the logos and titles are in French.

By the way, which edition of the LD do you have? It would be interesting to compare these two. The master used is possibly not the same.

 

I have no means of capturing the video directly. The only way I could show you what the transfer was like is if I recorded directly off my tv using my phone (which probably wouldn't be very reliable or accurate). I can try and do this if you want me to though.

From memory, I think my laserdisc version is the edition in the blue sleeve but I really need to dig it out and take a look to confirm but I am pretty certain it is that one.

ilovewaterslides said:

rockin said:

Is the laserdisc still being preserved in this thread or just the audio now?

What's the point of preserving the LD? I mean, colorwise it's not the best source available since it's kinda pink/blue tinted compared to the DVD.

Well, to be honest i'm not sure which version is the closest to the original theatrical colors.

Sorry, I must have got confused. Earlier back in the thread you posted some samples of the laserdisc video and I wrongly assumed you were doing a capture of the whole laserdisc.

I have the other laserdisc release, and the colour is also not anywhere near as good as the DVD/HDTV/Blu-ray versions.

I have been lucky I guess, as I held onto the original theatrical version VHS tapes for a long, long time. I bought the 1997 SE VHS when that came out too, but always preferred to watch my old VHS tapes as they were the ones I grew up with the most. Then later, I bought the 2004 DVD box set and wasn't happy with that, and thus began the laserdisc collecting.

Those screenshots look awesome by the way, and I agree the removal of the pink does make the skin tones look a lot better.

Sorry to derail slightly but I was just thinking back to previous transfers of the film and remember one transfer looking very purple instead of blue especially as far as the lighting at night goes. Does anyone know which release had this? I thought it might be the laserdisc but could be wrong. It's been a while since I reviewed all the available transfers.

I wonder if it is possible to do a colour match script to the blu-ray from the Criterion DVD? The only problem is obviously going to be the cropping at 1.85:1 and whether the digital noise in the picture can be fixed which seems to be a side-effect from the brightness and contrast in the blu-ray.

Is the laserdisc still being preserved in this thread or just the audio now?

I wonder if this would have happened had they all been released in 3D...

Ohhh... it looks teh sex.

Awesome project!

I've often wondered why nobody had done this yet.

Actually, I see what you mean now. I don't own the EE blu-rays so can't really comment on how the films look all the way through, but that shot of Saruman from the EE blu-ray looks so dark it looks as though detail has been lost in the shadow.

I like what they have done to darken the picture in the EE but I am not keen on some of the colour timing changes. The sky is even green in the EE picture with Gandalf!

dvdmike said:

stretch009 said:

AntcuFaalb said:

dvdmike said:

stretch009 said:

dvdmike said:

drngr said:

2 & 3 HDNet captures are now on Usenet and the bay by which buccaneers congregate (3 posted twice by mistake -- later torrent preferred but it's the same .ts).

Love the first comment.

I thought the HDnet versions were no good, low bit bate and some DNR I did get them off that place and posted here and I thought we all decided we wanted the wowow or canal +

The HDnet versions that were no good with low bit rate etc; were the highly compressed versions from rutracker.  drngr just uploaded the uncompressed source files he found to usenet and TPB.  I have both the compressed and uncompressed of Part II HDnet and the uncompressed looks WAY better than the compressed.

 

 

Interesting, they are falling off the internet as we speak 

What do you mean?

A different way of saying "I'm downloading them", I guess.

 

I do not download anything, but if they carelessly fall off the internet onto my HDD then that is hardly may fault.

And I have to say I am far from impressed, they are still the same interpolated rips just with slightly better compression.

 

As to the AVS thread I remember that argument well, the supposed US DCP had no DNR but the UK version I saw 100% looked like the blu-ray as I commented a few pages back when i saw it before the disc came out.

I have no idea where those shots are from as I understand it you can't screen shot a DCP file due to encryption, you can with trailers however. 

 

DCP/Canal + comparison :

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/20265

 

Also for UK people I am going to try for this 

https://www.odeon.co.uk/fanatic/booking-interactive/s211/p52700000023WXAZMLB/

Damn, I am so jealous!

I missed out on the opportunity to see the digital re-release a few years ago, and the nearest IMAX near me is at Manchester and it's not screening it. :-(

dvdmike said:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/35mm-Print-STAR-WARS-THE-PHANTOM-MENACE-LIAM-NEESON-/181122903796?pt=US_Film&hash=item2a2bc42ef4

 

I will just leave this here

That's exactly how I remember it looking when I saw it back in 1999. I can't believe how more Star Wars looking it was then than it is now in blu-ray. I love the grain and the warmer colours. Sigh, and to think, the sterile looking blu-ray is going to be the version people will remember from now on.

Criterion is easily the best version. I have every single version of Robocop in every format, and I've compared the video and audio more times than I can remember, and the Criterion is the one I always go back to.

There is another interesting point about the Criterion, where the audio has some differences that are not heard in other audio mixes. Someone did a comparison on a website somewhere - I will try to find it if anyone is interested. It had things like different gun sounds etc.

I actually like the way that has been converted to look like 35mm. Not perfect by any means, but soo much better than the previous soft digital look. A few more tweaks here and there, and it could look perfect!

http://www.xylonhd.com/home/2012/9/16/raiders-of-the-lost-ark-comparison-pix.html

Anyone seen this?

Seems like a good comparison of all the different sources.

My laserdisc is closer to the blu-ray in terms of colour timing than my DVD is. Good examples were in the jungle (warm skin tones and grass) and where he is teaching in the classroom the scene is very warm like the blu-ray there too. I haven't really compared other scenes yet.

I think the problem is some of us have got used to Raiders looking a certain way over the years and we have that memory fixed in our head in what Raiders should look like, regardless which one is the most accurate to the original print.

For me I'm torn, I like some of the warmer colour tones in the blu-ray for certain scenes, and prefer the cooler colour timing in others.

yoda-sama said:

Harmy said:

See, I'm 24, which is just about older by enough to have been exposed to the original version first and that seems to have made quite a difference to my perception of things.

That'd put Harmy at about 8 years old when the SE's came out theatrically, which actually does perfectly land him in a time frame where he'd get good exposure to the close-to-theatrical home videos first.  I hadn't really thought about it until now, but I suppose a birth year of around or just after 1989 is about the cutoff for Star Wars fandom vs SE apathy.  Granted there are exceptions (many of which we'll cause on purpose in the future with Harmy's work), but overall that's probably a good standard to gauge by.

I'm 26, so a bit older than Harmy but I was having about the same exposure I would say. I grew up with the originals on VHS and then later saw the 1997 SE on VHS too, but always preferred the originals as they were the ones I saw the most.

It's great that at present, we have the availability of the original films from many different sources, so much more than what was available to me when I was watching them on VHS, as I was too young to buy my own laserdisc player and my parents also couldn't afford one.

Ok, wasn;t sure if there was anything significant between the laserdisc and the blu-ray audio. 

If anyone still wants to go ahead with this idea let me know.

There's even a little bit of a teal shift in the new superman blu-rays. The worst offender to me is Superman 3.