Oh but wait. You guys said that there will always be a Hitler being born in a sea of Gandhis. The human kind will never be pure. So, by killing those, you are only bringing violence into the world, but making these "nails" shorter, not ever completely cut. It's a strategy, and a valid one if you think about it. But not 100% effective, and guaranteed to bring death and pain to the whole world.
What's your point. All this hypothetical nonsense has nothing to do with the real world we live in where most of the UN nations on the human rights commisssion are nations with horrible track records in human rights. THAT is the kind of world we live in Ric. We need solutions that work HERE, not in a hypothetical world.
I am not sure why you have chosen this part of my quotes to reply, as I was not mentioning any hypothetical nonsense at this part of the text. What I was saying is that in your real world, there is no way a complete victory can be achieved, so violence must be used constatly and forever. Keeping your own "freedom", which is highly debatable, by mantaining an army powerful enough to secure your own way of life. So let's keep it simple, the REAL world: Evil people come out of nowhere. They want to end our freedom and way of life due to some unknown reason (well actually we don't care, they are evil doers!). We destroy his army, or his country, or himself, whatever is posing the threat. We keep our secure lifes in our own homes. The rest of the world has to live the consequences. Oh well better luck next time, try to be BORN at a safe, democratic country, being rich if possible. Complete peace is an insane uthopic babbling spilled out by moronic liberals. We cannot even think of peace, as such act would envolve abandoning our violent means, and if we do that, the evil doers will come and slit our throats and slave us. They will NEVER abandon their violent ways. Never. Why? Because they are, uh... evil people. Evil people are born out of nowhere and are not, in any way, created by their environment. There will always be someone who wants to punch me, and the only way to win, is to punch back harder. That's pretty much the real world, right?
My idea is to focus on peace. That's why I always speak against companies that profit from war, countries and leaders who do the same, and fundamentalist leaders who use religion in order to get their personal agenda done
Hence, the Islamofacisists united against America.
And why? So far, no one was able to answer me. You really don't care to know why? Wouldn't that be useful so other countries don't do the same?
My idea is to BELIVE we can achieve the hypothetical country, and prevent the evil doers from getting into power in first place, by making sure its people is educated and independent enough to diplomatic fight those.
But how do we prevent this? No one man controls the political system of the world, Ric, and God help us if one ever did! Your system would essentially require a set of Dragon Balls or a nifty genie.
It may sound insane, and you will NEVER understand or agree, but... what about not resorting to violence in the first place? Think about it.
Taking the analogy of countries and leaders, the same can be done to people. We can prevent violence on tough neighborhoods on our cities, can't we? And some had some progress, take New York City as an example. Isn't it possible to build a better world, no matter how big or small this "world" is? FOCUS on peace.
Again, the only control we have over OTHER nations is either through the worthless and innefectual UN, or through diplomatic or military action. And "Peace" is a non word in places like North Korea and Iran.
Analyze their history and see why is that. Due to a violence imposed into them earlier.
So, back to the example you gave, of that 9-11 flight. Could it be justifiable, under those circustances? Maybe. Hard to think of what Gandhi or Jesus would do in such situation. Probably try to negociate or reason.
Gandhi would tell everyone that they should just allow themselves to die. I can't speak for what Jesus would do, but his options are pretty much infinite. If he wanted them all to live, he could just teleport them off the plain.
I just hope you are kidding about the "teleport".
Makes me think, Jesus is not really the person to follow. His words are uthopic liberal propaganda in an old book no one reads anymore, that... uh... Bible thing.
Could they be successful? Maybe, maybe not.
Definitely not. Negotiation with people who want to kill you and as many others as possible isn't possible.
Read about Ytzak Rabin, Chaltab, and the deal he orchestrated. And while you are at it, read about Gandhi and Lech Walesa (but only up until 1990 lol).
Was violence successful on that case? Partially, but they were not able to save their own lifes.
Hey, they did the best they could with what they had, and they are remembered as heroes. Everyone else on all the other plains are victims. If I had to choose, I'd prefer to be remembered a hero.
